He didn't use genjutsu and I asked for a non-Itachi example. Keep in mind, Itachi was in control of the entire fight. I'd guarantee he used Genjutsu fight. And looking back, it was probably the moment "Itachi" appeared behind Sasuke.
Which means you're limiting Sasuke in favor of Goku to win the fight. That's clear evidence right in front of you that Sasuke used genjutsu, which means you're only interested in cheating for Goku to win. Itachi was in control, but Sasuke was in control of his own abilities, which is superior to Goku (his eyes).
Wow I really wonder what a DBZ fan ever did to you. And tell me: Sasuke was in control of his own abilities but what options do you have when the opponent is using genjutsu? Why, you fight with genjutsu. It's amazing to me how you've taken one instance of Sasuke starting a fight with genjutsu to somehow fabricate this notion that he considers genjutsu something basic and whoever can't beat it isn't worth his time.
And again, if you wanted the fight to go the way Itachi would make it go, then you should have made it Itachi instead.
As it stands, Goku will punch him through a mountain because he did it that one time and it was so ****ing cool and his abilities are superior to Sasuke's(his everything).
Goku is faster than Sasuke so he'll punch his head off before he can react. There's your stupid reason. And Goku won't look at Sasuke's eyes because one time he didn't and **** it if I'm not going to ignore any other moment.
"Shit, even discounting all of that, Vegeta, whose will is all but definitely less than Goku's, was able to resist Babidi's mind control, taking the power it brought without being Babidi's slave. Sasuke has nothing."
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That, and the best he can do is temporarily hold him in an illusion, because he's certainly not knocking him out with it. So what, Goku stays in an illusion until A) Sasuke attacks him and it breaks the jutsu, B) It runs out or C) Goku eventually breaks it. TBH, he has all the time in the world to get out of it~
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Once Goku is in the genjutsu, Sasuke is free to do what ever he wants. You have proof that Sasuke can't hurt Goku? Because first Goku has to know he's caught in a genjustu before any attempt at fighting. Sasuke hurting Goku isn't an issue, he has several moves that could kill him.
Kirin, Sasuke's strongest attack that he can only use in the right circumstances, is Town level in destruction. Goku before DBZ has Island level durability. Goku at the start of DBZ can literally shrug of Kirin. Sasuke has /no/ attacks that can hurt Goku.
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I like how you conveniently ignored me bringing up DBZ douches being immune to mind control, from a character who can easily sway the minds of multiple powerful warriors at once.
And please do tell us what attack Sasuke has that can kill Goku.
This is silly, the one person who argues about Sasuke winning is actually doing a "Speed vs Genjutsu" thread, ignoring willingly that Sasuke uses Genjutsu maybe 1/10 from the get to go.
He should say "Yeah, I fully accept Sasuke dies the rest of the time" just to even it out.
Genjutsu is not the same as Babade's power's, it is meant to fool the eye trapping you under the creator's control. Babade's power level was weaker than Vegeta's and has no realation to a genjutsu since chakra is different from ki. And there's several variations of chakra that is different from ki, which is only in the form of life energy. Genjutsu is the attack that will finish Goku.
Town level attacks are not necessary to win the fight, since Goku himself is beaten by physical attacks and ki blasts that are not meant to destroy a town, but to kill him (excluding chakra separate from ki). Ever notice how one character's strength in neglected because of his powerlevel being inferior to the other. How strong do you think the Naruto character's is?
Yes, beaten after a whole fights worth of several dozen physical attacks around Town level and a couple blasts far, far above that. AKA still tanking a single Kirin no sweat. You know who had Town level blasts in DB? The first Piccolo. You know that any DBZ character can effortlessly stomp the first Piccolo and his town level attacks?
And thats only if Sasuke can manage to set it up. Without that all he has is Building level attacks in the form of Chidori and his fire techs, or large building with Amaterasu and Susanoo. Kid Goku traded blows the first Piccolo when they both had large building physical strength and town level blasts.
A single punch from Kid Goku = Susanoo.
A single blast from Kid Goku = Kirin.
Yeah, Sasuke has nothing.
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How come Goku struggle with ten tons? Isn't that a limit to physical power? That's not town level stregnth, since Goku has never shown physical strength on that level. I can prove that Naruto character's are physically stronger. Can you show Goku being physically more powerful than a Naruto character? And Goku still gets caught in a genjutsu and you're not proving anything by comparing energy blasts to physical power or chakra to ki (because they are not the same).
Then in the after life he struggled with 10 tons, until he went ssj. I can find many feats in Naruto that puts them above DBZ in strength, because 10 tons isn't enough in there universe. Sasuke is limited to only his defense abilities that strengthens his offensive abilities, since he himself isn't the strongest.
Babidi > Sasuke for one, unless you can prove that beating them takes different levels of skill.
"That, and the best he can do is temporarily hold him in an illusion, because he's certainly not knocking him out with it. So what, Goku stays in an illusion until A) Sasuke attacks him and it breaks the jutsu, B) It runs out or C) Goku eventually breaks it. TBH, he has all the time in the world to get out of it~"
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