Gallia was beaten via the Force. Opress is not an "expert swordsman" in the sense that he is not the product of years of formal training. But your point is well taken: a talentless hack does not hold his own with a leading member of the Jedi Council in a sword fight.
This is true, but I noticed that Savage was consistently pushing her onto the defensive and desperate dodges with lightning-quick saber strikes. I also noticed her attempt of a stab/jab/w/e it was on him, but he caught the blade using only one arm and caused her to swing away. This is when he brought down the support like barbarian for the second time btw
Tbh, Savage appears to be far more skilled than he has any right to be. Especially since a doublebladed lightsaber is harder to use. Maybe if his training with Dooku had been fleshed out a bit more and was shown to be longer than it seemed to be, it wouldn't be such a head-scratcher.
Adi Gallia turned on her furious-fighter mode against Grievous, and that was impressive. And Savage deflected better than Starkiller against a patrol of Mandalorian officers (Satine's) quite handily. I'd show you but I can't post video links until 20 posts are done. I'll novelize it for you if you want.
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Adi Gallia didn't lose--the hall in the ship exploded and then she and Obi-Wan and Cody were gonna get sucked into space. Grievous ran away and she saved them all.
Secondly, I don't really care for Revan's kill-count, because it depends on the kinds of kills he gets. I don't give a flying **** if he brought down a building. There's no building to bring down on a platform. Secondly, he's not gonna have any lightning to deflect back at the team. He doesn't possess every element the team has, and those that he does, the team has to a better extreme with their focused skill division.
Both Revan and Maul have brought down Mandalores. They have both been reborn. They have both brought down several supports. They are very similar, you realize--but I don't recall him being god of everything, such as lightsaber combat.
The Hero of Tython defeated Vitiate while in a Nexus, and the maul bros can still take HoT down. Revan didn't kill Vitiate, and again, he hasn't any chance of assassinating Maul.
"Revan beats Maul head-on" my ass. He has a team with the combined power to beat Revan head-on, and Maul is capable of soloing Revan, or at least holding off against him. Ever heard the term "Ability vs. Environment", btw?
Savage can play hookie with Revan like he did with pedestrians and throw him over the rail of the platform. If he tries to get back up, he can suck Maul's metal boot. Then Bo-Katan and Vizsla can bomb him off.
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Well, I saw a post where Maul and Savage run a gauntlet, and the Hero of Tython was on the list, and the majority of members decided HoT would lose. I questioned that myself, but there's possibility for everything.
Possible, not probable. Opress is Council-level, but he felled Gallia through a Force attack. He's definitely a stronger Force user than most of the Council, but I'm not convinced he's a superior swordsman.
The TOR!camp generally flinch at the prospect of a debate without double standards.
This will be an excruciating experience for you, my condolences for your patience.
Thats fair enough. The Hero of Tython isn't really as fleshed out as other characters so it is hard to get a gauge on their abilities. But bear in mind that they did defeat Lord Scourge, a guy who's killed over a thousand Jedi/Sith and scares even the Dark Council. And they became much more powerful afterwards.
I was talking about an all-out fight actually, but I agree on a whole.
Not every Jedi is cut from the same pie and he should have bigger problems against Grievous than against someone like Fisto in my opinion, despite the latter beating the former.
In a strict saberduel, Opress should have a good shot against anyone but Yoda, Anakin and Mace.
Opress can definitely hold his own against anyone on the Council in a sword fight and defeat any of them in a no holds barred contest thanks to the Force; Yoda and Mace being the accepted exceptions, of course.
Just more of the same.
Accolades only matter when assigned to a TOR!character; accolades for other characters are ambiguous and hyperbolic. Defeating a member of the Jedi Council is paltry, but taking on a member of the Dark Council is the stuff of divinity. Force nexuses are only relevant for consideration when a non-TOR!character is on one; for TOR!characters, they either weren't using the nexus at all, could duplicate the results on neutral ground, or the nexus wasn't a nexus to begin with. Authorial intent and commentary is, again, relevant only when considering a TOR!character's abilities; for a non-TOR!character, if it's not presented in the text then it's non-canon. And if a TOR!character goes up against a random mook and doesn't do so well, then it's only proof that the mook in question is a badass of epic proportions. But if a non-TOR!character goes up against a mook of his or her era and doesn't stomp them outright, it constitutes proof that the character themselves is weaksauce for not beating said mook.
Trust me. You debate with them long enough, you'll see they indulge in all the tactics I mentioned in a single outing.
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