It is absolute truth, and my skills of reading and comprehension are quite impeccable, as they have to be for my profession. You drafted Krypton Man for this match, not Eradicator. Krypton Man is a specific iteration of Eradicator from a specific arc (Superman Vol. 2 #42 to Action Comics Vol. 1 #667) with unique properties. You conflated Krypton Man with all of Eradicator's subsequent incarnations, primarily Reign of Superman Eradicator and afterwards. If you had drafted Eradicator outright I wouldn't have taken issue, but you didn't, you specifically drafted Krypton Man, so by forum rule, not simply my opinion, you're limited to that specific arc, just like if you had, for example, drafted Supernova, you would not have access to all of Booster Gold's subsequent feats from later arcs as well, you'd be limited to that specific arc in 52 when he was actually Supernova. Now, as I said before, this is not to insult you or an indictment of your character. I'm just pointing out an actual issue with the manner in which this thread transpired. Your flippancy is wasted on me and doesn't change the facts of this matter. I'm not saying you intentionally cheated, I'm saying that there are technical issues and outright rule breaks with the argument you presented.
You cheated and got away with it. Not just IMO either. Multiple posters have chimed in. It's over and don't take it personally. I agreed with another posted initially.
This was stolen from Smurph IMO.
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I picked Eradicator and very specifically produced scans to prove that the left over consciousness of that version used T-vo and hence it was perfectly legal for me to use. That's why I don't give a shit about what you think is "absolute truth".
And the difference between Supernova and Eradicator is that Supernova was an amped Booster Gold, here I used a specific issue from which the version of Eradicator I chose reappeared. You didn't see me using feats from David Conner or Fortress Eradicator, did you? So why all this bitching?
And everyone is surprised that Quan would vote opposite me./sarcasm
I just want to make it perfectly clear to you Abhi, I don't have any issues with you personally, so please don't take this as an attack. As a judge I need to do what's right in the interest of fairness, impartiality, and the established rules. That is why I'm pointing this out. If these kind of matches are going to be taking place everyone involved, both participants and judges, need to be operating under the same set of rules and understand the rules.
No, per the OP, you picked Krypton Man, not Eradicator. It's in the OP of this thread that Psycho Gundam posted. You argued for Eradicator, but you had Krypton Man.
Krypton Man is an arc specific iteration of Eradicator, just as Supernova is an arc specific iteration of Booster Gold.
Enjoy your tainted victory. I didn't initially bring this up but do agree this wasn't done in fairness. If you would have outdebated cleanly I would have no problems. Again, it isn't just coming from me and don't take it personally.
I also want you to know that I don't do things which are illegal in a match according to rules. Smurph and Digi can testify to that. I just did what everyone does, making loopholes around rules in a match.
Anyway, all you're doing here is bitching IMO that not everyone sees the things you do, no offense. You could make the rules clear the next time if you like.
You are putting your fingers in your ear at this point. The feats I used is usable for the fight, majority of judges felt that way too. So please stop.
Repeating yourself wouldn't make you right. Here is what I posted to Gundam.
Anything done by Krypton Man or its programming/consciousness is fair game by match rules. If not, point me to the rule which denies that.
It's pretty hilarious that all Quan needs to do is post a thumbs up, and people flip their shit as if he's done anything different than a series of other posters in this thread.
I've avoided posting about the judgement because tourney experience teaches me that it's not the place of a battlezone competitor to publicly call out judges. If something's amiss about the way a match is handled, it's best brought up by a separate third party, hopefully a judge - so thanks Delph for taking the time to do that.
Also thanks to others who read and posted their opinion - it's actually refreshing to have this kind of heat after a match, feels like some life is back in the forum. That being said, battlezones are meant to be fun, not a headache, and I hope this match is having a net positive benefit on the battlezone forum. Definitely, everybody should be encouraged to go for a belt title- we have only 3 out of 9 filled.
I think the best takeaway from this match is: Clearly there are some bumps to iron out for future belt matches, and now some of them are really obvious. Abhi benefited from some serious judge/host/participant confusion about prep rules, standard equipment, duplication, character drafting etc. This is shit that we used to be relatively on top of in tournaments, so hopefully we get some more matches going and judging these things starts to feel a little more familiar to everybody. I'm not writing this to harp on judges because, as I posted in the discussion thread, I'm satisfied with my own performance in the match either way - but there obviously shouldn't be this much contention between judge rulings regarding a couple black-and-white rules.
I'm not diving back into a debate in this thread. I think the following is worth clearing up though, for future mid-herald battlezone matches, and this is all I have to say on it.
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Ok.
Clearly you were willing to recognize and affirm that Krypton Man was a different version with a different power level when it suited you. The above quote is your PM to me stating your character draft. When it came down to the match, however, you immediately blurred the lines of Eradicator versions to attempt to 'trick me' into battling a character with T-Vo.
Further, when attempting to draft Krypton Man in the mid herald category, you pointed myself and PG to your own respect thread to see Krypton Man's feats. Neither of your T-Vo feats are listed under Krypton Man, but instead under Kem-L and Fortress, the same persona you emphasize is above KM in the PM I quoted. You could maybe make a case that Krypton Man may be capable of the same thing (you wouldn't have much evidence, but you could try and make a case), but to argue that a later version of Eradicator is Krypton Man is directly contradicting two pieces of argument that you used to get Krypton Man as a mid herald character in the first place. Certainly, at the very least, it's violating the spirit with which you drafted him, and I'm curious to see how the next mid herald battlezone goes down with Krypton Man as the belt holder.
I think there are lots of Low Herald characters with powers specific to battlefields, which is why I didn't reply before. Somewhere generic on Earth might be best. Maybe we should have the host choose a place?
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sure, but it would help to know in advance is all. it would suck to take someone and find out they were limited suddenly by a random choice of BF. an empty city like detroit (wait, is that redundant...? nyuck-nyuck!) sound fair? or we can have a host choose, that's fine, just a BF that allows for lots of options would be cool.
Not insulting anyone here but Galan should've been a judge along with operator, ODG, Leo, and Pr (the judges that were here could have stayed as well, the people I've named are additions). Things would have went a lot differently imo. I agree with everything DELPH said. He is on point. Don't think things were explored/analyzed as much as DELPH looked at everything. ABHI won, good job buddy but sorry to say this but if we get another group to come in here and vote i think things would be a lot different. Overall, good job team.
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The feats I linked to Kem-L was a fault in doing the respect thread. It was originally going to be in Krypton Man section. Anyway, I've said whatever I want to say at this point. No bad feelings I hope.
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