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Nephthys
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The ship would have crashed after loss of crew.

However, if Nihilus was really holding the ship together, shouldn't it have disintegrated after his fall?


It's in space, so theres no gravity. Without inertia there'd be no reason for it to fall apart.


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He wasn't trying to kill Revan. The only time he has actively tried to kill anyone with Drain is Nathema. It also doesn't guarantee survival against anything except natural death. As Nihilus Drain is designed to take away the Force not life, the point is irrelevant.

Nihilus performs Force Drain.

Force Drain would eventually kill an individual after the individual's life energy is fully sucked/siphoned from him/her by the power.

Point is that Emperor Vitiate cannot be killed with Force Drain because of his immortality. He also have the option to drain others since he is a master of these talents.

Nihilus is not immortal so he won't survive Force Drain unless he drains the opponent in turn to prevent his demise. However, he is unlikely to hold against an immortal for long in this kind of struggle.

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The crew that is flying it is still there. And as the ship starts to blow up as soon as Nihilus is dead, but is not destroyed unless the bombs are in place, I'll assume he was holding it together.

This is confusing.

The ship should disintegrate after fall of Nihilus, if he was holding it together. It didn't disintegrate after his fall but was blown up by bombs.

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See the above. As soon as he dies, it starts to fall apart, but to think that he held every atom together is kind of crazy.

I am not asserting that Nihilus had to hold every atom together.

Suppose that ship have 4 sections. These sections are not properly joined and would break loose. Nihilus is holding all sections together with his power in the Force. So if Nihilus falls, the ship should disintegrate.

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It's in space, so theres no gravity. Without inertia there'd be no reason for it to fall apart.

Bro, stuff splits even in the space. Gravity does not prevents disintegration.

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Only if theres some force working on it. Don't you know anything about science!?


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Disintegrated parts would slowly drift away from each other. Yes, I know a great deal about science.

Here is an example: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014...EA251PE20140306

Space doesn't prevents disintegration, if an object breaks up in to fragments, it will split.

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Disintegrated parts would slowly drift away from each other. Yes, I know a great deal about science.

Here is an example: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014...EA251PE20140306

Space doesn't prevents disintegration, if an object breaks up in to fragments, it will split.


Slowly. The ship was blown up very soon after his death.

Yes, because its moving and like I said, has inertia. The Ravager didn't.


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Slowly. The ship was blown up very soon after his death.

Yes, because its moving and like I said, has inertia. The Ravager didn't.

Ravager was not in motion?

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Not that I know of.


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Do you think he used a big crane to get it off?

No. Got a crew involved that fixed engines and flew ship.

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Not that I know of.

Interesting.

This leaves possibility for Nihilus to be holding his ship together. Wow.

So Nihilus had to contend with Exile and her allies while holding his ship together? Damn

Are you sure Ravager was not in motion?

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Nihilus performs Force Drain.

Force Drain would eventually kill an individual after the individual's life energy is fully sucked/siphoned from him/her by the power.

Point is that Emperor Vitiate cannot be killed with Force Drain because of his immortality. He also have the option to drain others since he is a master of these talents.

Nihilus is not immortal so he won't survive Force Drain unless he drains the opponent in turn to prevent his demise. However, he is unlikely to hold against an immortal for long in this kind of struggle.

Have you played the game? Nihilus doesn't use the standard drain. He, Kreia, and all the students on Malachor use a different version that drains the Force, not life, from a person. Second, Nihilus doesn't have a body and is pure Force Energy inside a robe. Third, incase you didn't see it the first time, Force Drain does not work on Force Wounds. It'll rebound and drain you instead. This is why Nihilus was defeated over Telos IV.
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This is confusing.

The ship should disintegrate after fall of Nihilus, if he was holding it together. It didn't disintegrate after his fall but was blown up by bombs.


I am not asserting that Nihilus had to hold every atom together.

Suppose that ship have 4 sections. These sections are not properly joined and would break loose. Nihilus is holding all sections together with his power in the Force. So if Nihilus falls, the ship should disintegrate.

Why would this happen? Nihilus had the ship over Telos without moving, planing to drain the entire planet. The ship would cling together because nothing else is moving the ship, unless some outside force acted on it. Either way, the ship begins to fall apart as soon as he dies, not when the bombs go off. I'm guessing you didn't actually play KotOR II. And why would the ship disintegrate? It was atomized anywhere else, so why would it disintegrate now?

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Even just from drawing on Vitiate's power an Imperial Guard was able to negate Revan's TK and Revan's TK is very good. So I see Vitiate's defense as being very impressive.

Darth Nihilus has a similiar feat. The power that holds in his mask is able to turn any non-Force sensitive from an average Joe to someone with the skills and powers of a full-fledged Sith Apprentice.


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And even weakened, wounded and exhausted Vitiate was able to collapse the Dark Temple. So I also don't see a full strength Vitiate as being terribly far from Nihilus in TK. While I agree Nihilus currently is superior in that area, I don't think he'll be ragdolling Vitiate or reducing him to a smear.

? Darth Nihilus' best telekinetic feat was at his arguably weakest state.


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You would lose that argument. erm

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No. Got a crew involved that fixed engines and flew ship.


Which part of that would you describe as "pulling" it off the planet?


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You would lose that argument. erm

He just suffered from the devastation of Malachor V and his hunger is not filled at all.


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He hadn't just suffered from it. This was after his training with Traya. His hunger was sated.

His weakest state was when the Exil beat him. Obviously. If it wasn't then he would still have been able to lift capital ships in their fight so he would have stomped her.


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I was under the assumption he ripped the ships out to leave Malachor V.


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He trained with her on Malachor V. :I

He ripped out the ships to get off after his training.


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Proof they trained on Malachor V?

And training or not, it wouldn't make a difference.
There would be virtually no life for Nihilus to feed off of on Malachor V.


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Seriously? It says so in the game loading screens and in Kotor CG.

There were other survivors which he fed on. It says so in the Kotor CG.


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Not necessarily. I always got the impression that Darth Nihilus left Malachor V, traveled around for a bit, then Darth Traya found him and brought him back to Malachor V. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense that she had to "hunt" him, because he was already there.

I am aware, but not many. I honestly would never go as far to say that there were any more then a 100 survivors.


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