The premise certainly sounds like some stuff Gabriel would do.
Though am I the only one who is curious to see an actual trickster? We know they aren't actually as powerful as Gabriel, but we also know they do exist.
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Yeah, you're right in terms of Gabriel being Loki. All the Pagan Gods still refer to him as such, thinking he is one of them, during the episode Lucifer decides to clean house a bit. So either he created the alias of Loki while hiding, or he killed the real Loki and took his title. But if the latter is the case, he has been Loki for so long that it doesn't make any real difference IMO in anyways.
But based on Castiel's comments I think it was, there are also supernatural beings called "tricksters" who posses some low level reality warping powers. They initially thought Gabriel was one of them, but then realised he is far too powerful to actually be one.
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Gabriel was the original Loki, but it was never said Loki was the original or only trickster. I'm not even sure if he was the original Loki. He could of just as easily of killed him and taken his place.
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Gabriel didn't seem like the kind of guy to just kill Loki and take his place. Also, the other gods would know if Gabriel killed Loki and took his place, his vessel wouldn't look the same.
There isn't actually a race of tricksters, it would just be other mythological beings or gods that are tricksters like Loki/Gabriel. Also, pretty sure Bobby thought he was a trickster, Castiel wasn't introduced until like 2 seasons later. Iirc, Gabriel made up the info about tricksters and how to kill them.
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You are right on the Bobby thing. It was actually Bobby with them during both the original encounters with Gabriel. He is the one who tells them about tricksters originally, and then is with Sam, hunting Gabriel, during the Dean death-loop episode.
I mixed him up with Castiel, because he is the one in the episode when they discover Gabriel's true nature. And he is the one who basically confirms tricksters are real. It's during that TV show episode, where Gabriel traps them into all the different programs. Castiel still remarks something along the lines of "Something is not right. This thing is much more powerful than it should be." To which Dean responds "What thing? The trickster?", and Castiel replies "If it even is a trickster."
So based on what Castiel said, there are actual tricksters, but they aren't anywhere close to as powerful as Gabriel is.
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Tricksters are described as "demigods" in anyways, and supposedly all share similar powers, so by their very definition they are a group of divine beings. I personally see "tricksters" as being a kind of a subcategory to classify a certain group of gods/demigods, from various pantheons, who share similar powers, characteristics and weaknesses. So I think it is a bit more complicated than just a simple yes or no answer, but that is just my personal take on the matter.
Also, don't think anyone here other than you used the word "race". We are simply saying that there are other beings out there who hold the title "trickster" as well, based on the comments and info in the show.
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There are many tricksters from all over the world according to folklore and mythology. The most famous in modern society is probably Loki from Norse mythology, but in West Africa Anansi is just as famous, while Coyote is probably best known in the US as he is part of native American culture.
There was never anything that said Gabriel made up the Tricksters. I suppose he could of..or he could of just co-opted their identity. He says he was in "witness protection" and all that, but he never says he made up the entire thing about Tricksters.
Castiel flat out says he is too powerful for a trickster, NOT that tricksters don't exist. So Castiel saying it the way he said it makes utterly zero sense if Tricksters don't exist outside of Gabriel.
It's also silly to say the other gods would know if Gabriel killed the real Loki and took his place. His entire thing is tricking people. They also didn't even know he was an angel until very recently, and he STILL ended up tricking them again after they knew what he was. You are talking about vessels that look the same but gods don't use vessels, they aren't possessing bodies like angels and demons. Gabriel can look however he chooses to look.
This also assumes he took on the guise of Loki only after the gods had met the possibly original. But why? Kali said there were billions, it's not like they all know each other. This could of been a group of gods he befriended after going into witness protection.
Or hell if you want to take another potential scenario: Gabriel can make people out of thin air and overall warp reality. It's possible he took on the guise of the Trickster and then actually created a few actual tricksters himself. Less powerful then he is and with specific weaknesses..all to sell the fact tricksters were a thing.
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Anyways I liked this latest episode. The character of "Sully" actually grew on me, I'm not sure why. But I was glad he wasn't shanked by the girl.
Though just one thing, the girl said she found a witch who gave her the spell to see the Xana, the witch also told her they were good beings, but then also gives her a special knife in which to kill them?
The episode also hammers in just how terrible of a father John Winchester truly was. Come on now, first you leave your 9 yr. old kid alone..then you invite him to come hunt monsters with you. Being upset over his wife's death doesn't excuse crazy ass behavior like that. Why does everyone act like he was a good man?!
It just reminds me of that episode with the Striga where it was revealed it attacked Sam as a kid. In a flashback you see John getting upset at Dean for not protecting Sam. WTF you left your damn kids alone to go fight monsters, blame yourself dickbag. The guy couldn't even get them Christmas presents.
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The Winchesters are essentially a military family. John was off to war (hunting), and when Dean was of age, he enlisted as well. Eventually Sam's time came, but he grew up with his Dad off fighting a war. Doesn't make John a bad father, but he was an absent father. Saving people from monsters came first.
But they weren't really given a choice. That goes beyond just being absent. Sam was 9 when we see him being called to help, that is "of age" ? You can't join the military at age 9.
This is like if your dad was fighting in World War 2 against the nazi's and you were 9 and he decided to enlist you and bring you along.
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Yeah, Anansi is specifically mentioned in the Supernatural lore as well. But that's the point. We know of at least one other named trickster that exists. And the fact that Castiel also uses "trickster" specifically shows that the term is considered to be some form of classification.
Yeah, and Lucifer was using Sam as his vessel to boot IIRC. So not sure how Lucifer, in his old vessel, ended up in the cage, seemingly alone.
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For me I just get the feeling Michael and Lucifer were put in different cages...somehow.
Though it was kind of awesome seeing Amara smite people. She is kind of right, God doesn't give a shit.
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I think the form he has is just a, way to see him. Cause he said if he got out he would need a vessel or he'd be all smoke up top. They kind of jumped in together. There wasn't suppose to be a cage in the final battle to destroy the planet between Michael and Lucifer. The Winchesters got that up and going.
Chuck didn't even care when the Apocalypse was happening. Except in saving Dean and Sam at times. And putting Castiel back together. If Amara wants his attention she just needs to start smiting Cas, and Sam.
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I actually have a bit more respect for Sam after basically giving Lucifer the finger. Though Lucifer was 100% right about what he said with regards to Sam and Dean. Also, Castiel is an idiot.
And I find the whole "Michael went crazy due to prison" thing a bit dumb. God's first Archangel, most likely been alive for billions of years, led God's forces in his absence etc... given his age, his time in the Cage should have been a proverbial eye blink, and certainly not long enough to totally drive him off the deep end.
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