Fair enough, but I don't think an extra million in fight choreography and training for the lead would have broken the budget, especially considering Danny Rand is all about marital arts.
Hoping they address this specifically before we see him in another show. DD has before choreography.
I don't think TV budget constrictions figure into it. Daredevil has some of the most awesome fights seen on TV. It's a different style though - ninjutsu meets boxing, done by a man not using his eyes and taking bloody punishment on a journey to get a costume with flexible armour. Danny is pure kung fu and rarely gets seriously hurt with his dodging and striking. So the fights are less brutal and gory (it's Harold Meachum who contributes more gore to the show. )
Final thoughts after finishing the series:
- The last batch of episodes are the best, and help even out the uneven early episodes. Some story expectations get flipped on their heads.
- Too much of the writing is saying the same things over and over again, when you could just show it visually.
- Danny Rand is a bit like Peter Quill, with arrested development and not as mature an adult as he should be. I know the reasons why, and maybe this series journey was necessary for his evolution, but enough of the whiny childhood moping going forward.
- Danny's best Iron Fist feat came late in episode 13, in the office tower. I jumped out of my seat, it was so sick. You'll know it when you see it!
- With the extra fantasy story elements they brought in this Netflix universe, this reminds me more of a typical DC show than the other Marvel shows.
So; it's an all right show. But future Iron Fist requires Finn to lose the beard & get some signature costume, replace the showrunner, get tighter editing and fight choreography...then they should have something!
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[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Did Gao or Bakuto actually employ ninja's though? They're part of The Hand organization but it looks like Bakuto moreso is making 'child soldiers' out of young recruits and Gao just runs drugs and employs henchmen/mercenaries. The only one to actually call in hordes of ninjas was Nobu and he seemed to be much higher ranking. He also didn't seem to even acknowledge Gao as a member of The Hand in either season of Daredevil. I think she might be an ally/affiliate of the Hand but I think she's actually going to be revealed as Crane Mother, particularly since she's from Heaven but not necessarily K'un Lun, and Davos seems to be in league with her in that meeting with Joy.
i'm at episode 11 and man...this dude is really unlikable. no charm, no charisma. the whole show is about wanking the dude. danny is this, danny is that. And this is coming from a huge iron fist fan! its definitely fixable. they need to characterize him better and work on the choreography. he was outperformed by everyone on the show lol. how do i know he's being wank? one scene had colleen wing talking him up about how his "movements is beautiful and inspiring" lmao! inspiring? he's stiff as hell haha
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Interesting. Lewis Tan, the guy who played Zhou Chen, the drunken master, originally read for the part of Iron Fist. His fight scene was actually my favourite fight scene in the series.
He pretty much stole the show and would've been 100X the better Iron Fist. You can still accomplish the outsider storyline by casting an Asian as Danny Rand. Finn Jones is pretty much the weak link of this show, his performance yields a character that has no resonance or believability.
I'm actually not that down on Finn Jones as Iron Fist. While the fighting could have been better (and by better I mean they could have brought in more competent stunt men and choreographers), the way they have Danny's characterization in the show makes sense when you consider he's been in a magical monastery since he was 10 being raised (and beaten/indoctrinated) by warrior monks after surviving a near fatal plane crash. His social awkwardness fits with the strict, regimented lifestyle he came of age in and he still needs to adapt to the modern world. When he meets Luke Cage and they bond over their mutual love of hip hop and women with nice asses he'll start to come out of his shell and become cool Danny. For now he's rookie awkward Danny.
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: In episode 6 was Lei Kung actually talking to Danny mystically/telepathically while he was going through those trials or was that all in his head?
Some aspects of this series I can't help laughing at. The lame excuses they have to shove Claire into the storyline. Her saying "sweet Christmas", trying way too hard at times by dropping that line.
This series is almost like a video game. The main character is almost a blank slate(Danny Bland), and it's the people he interacts with that draw your attention and make the series worth watching.
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I don't think the issue is character nuance. The issue is his performance being too wooden. I feel it's not a stretch to say that every viewer looked forward to every character on the show BUT Danny Rand. That's a problem. Even his mystic, Chinese wisdom spew were unconvincing. Sounds like he's mocking instead. If character nuance is at play then he could've at least spoke with more conviction since for 15 years he did spend time with sages and monks in kun'lun.
Yeah but there weren't normal sages and monks, but crazy sages and monks who beat you with sticks and might make you fight a dragon.
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which should've heightened his instinct and confidence. his portrayal here was that of an idiot who rush head first into situations AND conclusion. Look, i understand the trope of the kid who's fcked up cuz he lost his parent or guardian (batman, superman, spiderman list goes on) but none was as annoying as the portrayal here.
Nah, I think the issue is that for Danny/Iron Fist in particular (as per the narrative of the show) he's overly naive and trusting because he was raised in 'Heaven'. It's not just that he lost his guardians and is dealing with survivor's guilt/ptsd and ran around learning martial arts to become a vigilante like Batman, he also lost his connection to modern society and it's customs/conventions and was indoctrinated into an otherworldly society where duty, honor, and honesty is always the expectation. Because of this he assumed the Meachum's would welcome him with open arms and have his best interests at heart because they were childhood friends. He also assumed that there was a strict code of conduct in a dojo as shown when he struck Colleen's student because that's what he was accustomed to from life in K'un Lun.
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