Only you are. There is no restrictions of appearances of celestials as per OP.
You have done nothing to refute that.
Why would I need to do that to show Celestials being harmed? Are Celestials' appearances limited to Thor 300?
So you have essentially set up something which can't be done as you'll refute everything from Monarch as not enough.
What is the criteria and what level of power is needed to do that what you are asking?
For what purpose? You're focused entirely on refuting anything from Monarch without telling us why.
Excellent ABC comparison. Yet another showing dismissed.
Its like everything for Celestials except Thor 300 is them being lowballed.
How about you make a case without Thor 300?
Tiamut isn't a celestial? Didn't you ask for what it takes to damage a celestial?
I'm again asking you, what level of power is needed to show it being more powerful than destroyer's attack so I can present my case. They don't have any direct comparisons after all.
No, it isn't. Plus we didn't see them reform from their entire body being destroyed. A limb or so but we didn't see Prime use this kind of power. Prime has been ko'd by the teen titans. Beaten down.
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ohhhh i see. yur moving goalposts so you can include all showings. funny, where exactly, aside from that thor 300, was the entire 4th host shown? and better yet, where did odin face them?
the OP says monarch REPLACES ODIN. now at least i KNOW you're simply trolling.
lol
nice change of tactic. transparent, and utterly against what the thread starter was going for, but yeah, hell of an effort at strawmanning.
yeah I'M the one who set it up. are you kidding right now? you come in all holier than thou about how monarch is universal levels and can just blast the sh!t out of the celestials and i call you on it and say show me a celestial from the material in question even being harmed by an attack but somehow I'M setting this up? dude, you must think i'm a complete idiot or something.
well, how about this:
first, i didn't know quite a bit above him meant universal. but using your words as a gauge, a SINGLE celestial no sold levels of power that dwarfed his own. the destroyer had ALL of odin's power (including all the life force of asgard) and power from every single skyfather on earth. so...i dunno. really, really powerful. just show monarch's greatest controlled release of power. i'm sure everyone will be able to judge for themselves.
have you read your posts?
i've not refuted ANYTHING from monarch. i've seen almost nothing at all. you've spent your entire time focusing on everyone BUT monarch. for the love of god, SHOW something from him so i CAN refute it.
you. cannot. be. serious. dismissed because in the actual arc in question, zeus=/>zuras. you pulling from material that has nothing to do with the arc in question serves only to highlight how dramatically the celestials WERE reduced later on.
why would i when monarch is replacing odin in the exact same scenario? their showings varied after secret wars 2. no secret. i still wouldn't say monarch beats them even using those showings, but i'll not be arguing that. or i will. admit monarch has no chance in this scenario and maybe i'll pursue it.
no. for what, the 5th time, i ask to see a scan of monarch doing...anything that would suggest he could even make a celestial take notice of him, let alone harm him.
at this point i'd be happy to see you show anything from him. you've actually got me half convinced that odin would beat him by this point given the lack of obvious showings from him....
if yur gonna keep trolling and pretending that the OP intended something different then no point going forward. we both know you have nothing in this scenario, so no point anyway i guess. do what you need to do but unless i see something specific to change my mind about this thread and the stips that are implied, i'll make this my final post fer realz this time.
Now, I'm moving the goalposts? They were shown in X-Factor 48-50 and Fantastic Four 400.
Where does anyone say they are restricted to their appearance in Thor 300?
This is simply baffling. So just because Monarch replaces Odin against fourth host, all of their showings after Thor 300 somehow became invalid?
What kind of logic is that?
This is your entire argument here. Who needs debating when you can simply use same words again and dismiss everything and pretend you're on some moral high ground.
I've said only what the comic showed me for both Monarch and Odin.
What's funny is that you want Celestials restricted to Thor 300 but use Odin's showings across his career. Hence getting pissed when I said skyfathers were planetary and so was Destroyer when that's exactly what the comic showed.
Why are you getting so pissy about it anyway? Calm down.
First of all Destroyer only had a minute power from Zeus and Vishnu, not all of Earth's skyfathers.
You're still trying to dodge the question. Why would I try to convince anyone? It's between you and me. Just let me know what level of power Destroyer was at and we will go from there.
"Monarch destroying the universe does not matters because he died".
FYI Cap didn't die. He was koed and Depowered but he wasn't dead.
What the **** are you talking about now? Who said Thor 300 is the only appearance that matters for Celestials?
This is just getting tiresome now.
He is replacing them in that scenario but they aren't restricted to that showing only. It's like saying someone replacing Superman against HP Doomsday and saying Doomsday wars or OWAW doesn't counts for Doomsday's feats because it's after that story.
What you are trying to do is utterly asinine. Just because their showings varies doesn't mean you get to discard them.
So what does it takes to harm a Celestial IYO?
Of course you think so. Show us Odin doing anything remotely impressive from Thor 300 and let me know.
This is ****ing hilarious. You tried to shove your own rule that Celestials are only restricted to their showings in Thor 300 but skyfathers are not, dismissed all showings of Celestials, dismissed all showings of Monarch and you have the gall to tell me I don't have anything?
If I said Superman replaced WWH in the story arc 'World War Hulk'.....am I supposed to use Sentry as he appeared in that arc, or can I use Death seed?
Fair enough, he had an amp
Am I allowed to use Xavier's feats post WWH? Like putting the P5 to sleep with a word? I'd argue yes, I'm allowed to. Strange's timestop feats against WBH? Yes.
What about pre WWH?
IOW, I'd argue I'm not just limited to WWH feats for my combatants.
Superman is replacing Hulk. Monarch is replacing Odin. There are no confrontations between Monarch and the Celestials, nor are there confrontations between Xavier and Superman (not Hulk, as your post says).
And if we only use Celestials from that arc...do we only use Odin from that arc? i.e. they can only throw planets from orbits with their combined power and such?
Can't have it both ways - either all showings for Celestials AND Odin count - or only the showings from that arc for BOTH of them do.
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@phil--i have no issue with that at all. all i asked was for blasts at well above planetary level from abhi. i asked like....7 times and have gotten NOTHING about monarch. at all. i'm not talking about odin--i'm talking about whether monarch can equal or exceed what the skyfathers in that book did. pretty simple. he'd need to exceed their output (and the destroyer's) by......a LOT to have even a chance to harm them. abhi has not shown a single scan (outside him dying...) to support monarch being able to unleash that type of power at will. the gymnastics he;'s been pulling to avoid admitting he has nothing to show have been pretty spectacular though.
if you have a scan to suggest he can do more damage than the amped destroyer's disintegration beam, i'd love to see them. i have no issue saying i'm wrong, but based on abhi's...."arguments" he's done monarch more harm than good. /shrug
Prior to him absorbing all the captain atoms from across the multiverse he unleashed a blast that instantly and casually destroyed North America. At work so can't pull up scan but think it was just North America.
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you pulling from material that has nothing to do with the arc in question serves only to highlight how dramatically the celestials WERE reduced later on.
