so once more, Batman reigns supreme. Thanks. That's all that was needed. As he has many examples of tagging speedsters,heralds, and surviving punches etc fromheralds.
As for your Surfer question, no. Why? Because of several things.
1. DS has superspeed. To the point even WW is shocked. I'm sure you know WWs speed feats. So before Surfer can do this black hole, DS has blitzed him.
2. Surfer is a pacifist. He's not black holing anyone's brain. Superman is also a pacifist, who doesn't enjoy drawn out fights. He'll end things quickly. I'm not saying he lobotomizes people with HV at lightspeed, lol, or sings people out of existence. Neither Superman nor Surfer kill... except Supermans speed isn't a kill factor.
3. Has Surfer ever created a black hole in anyone's brain? At least Superman has...what did you say, 2%? Of showings using his speed.
Edit: point 3, actually, is a bit of you moving goalposts.
From 2% of showings, to suddenly, 0% of showings lol.
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As with DS - when he received general knowledge of who DS was, he didn't start talking and blustering, and asking them to stand down (hell, he didn't even do that when DS first appeared). He just used his speed and tried to BFR DS, straight off the bat.
Supes limits it to unthinking monsters and such outside of the time right after the COIE reboot when Bryne set out to totally redevelop the character and had him expose Zod and company to K-nite.
When you get right down to it Surfer will kill just because he's tired of dealing with someone...
That's killing evil incarnate for the sake of the multiverse... anyone would do that. Surfer was going to kill an innocent little girl for the sake of the multiverse lol.
I'm not arguing that there aren't extreme circumstances where Supes might kill, nor am I saying that Surfer is ruthlessly cold blooded, I'm just saying that Surfer's more likely to go for a kill than Supes is as made evident by him killing more despite far, far fewer appearances.
And like you said, DS is the incarnate of evil - whereas even in your scans, Surfer still pleads with people to stop BEFORE he kills them.
DS would just go for the kill.
But by the by. Am interested in your take on the Cho asteroid/moon question.
How come you never PM scans to me for use in threads any more? You used to message me out of the blue with scans, offering to help in this thread and that....
Not hiding. It's 100% canon, in comics. You're just annoyed I am showing up your double standards. It has happened.
Bats has taken suckerpunches, whilst half nakedm, from a pissed off GoW WW - y/n?
Has tagged Zoom - y/n?
Outreacted a bloodlusted Superman's HV - y/n?
Stolen Hal's ring despite autoshields - y/n?
Destroyed in combat beings that Flash couldn't - y/n?
And that is just new 52 Batman, lol. Am limiting myself to showings from the past 10 years.
Has Surfer EVER opened black holes in people's heads? Not threatened - actually done it? Goober has shown he can be a mean SOB when he wants to be. I know he has opened black holes before, right? So it should be no issue for you.
Ever done it in someone's head?
Because your argument is that in 98% of Superman's showings, he gets tagged by slower people, and that I, darksaint85, am clinging to the 2%.
So for your Surfer analogy to work, surely Surfer has done the black hole attack more than 2%, right? Otherwise, you're just moving goalposts.
But why, WHY, is the Batman argument 'nonsense'? He has plenty of combat feats where he does incredibly well Why does it only work for Marvel characters? Surely we should be fair, right?
Batman has, on panel, in a canon comic, done all that I have listed. In combat. Space cheese is doodoo. Combat feats are all that matters, right?
He only pleads when it's convenient. He certainly didn't against those Atlantians. Things like pleading for an opponent to stand down isn't going to happen(regardless of who's fighting) in a forum fight where everyone knows there HAS to be a winner. I've always viewed forum fight to be set up kind of like the original Marvel vs DC series where the brothers beamed the knowledge that everyone selected HAD to fight and had to try to win or their universe would be destroyed into all the participants minds. That's obviously not something that's been specifically stipulated in the forum rules, it's just the way I've always seen it working.
As for the thread question, it's hard to say because of the questionable nature of Cho's feat. I mean it was obviously either poor research/writer error, or something that has to be taken with the ultimate level of suspension of disbelieve. It's right there in the same category as Flash's evacuating the city at sub light speeds IMO. Personally, I just put things that are that far beyond the scope of basic mathematical logic into the "so impossible it's a totally unquantifiable feat" category which makes them SUPER impressive, but nothing that should be used as a definitive measurement of a character's abilities.
Well I post myself sometimes now so if something stands out as something that I just HAVE to get out I do it myself. It's nothing personal against you or anything.
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Batman is abstract level. There. Now let's get back on topic. Do we accept the majority or minority of showings in comics? If Hulk fought and killed Thanos in every last one of their encounters, are you going to come on KMC and give Thanos the win based off abilities?
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so once more, Batman reigns supreme. Thanks. That's all that was needed. As he has many examples of tagging speedsters,heralds, and surviving punches etc fromheralds.
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