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Wonder Woman Vs Flash
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bluewaterrider
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Also, it'd be helpful to know when and where your selection is from, Phil.

If it preceded that Justice League of America submission of mine year wise, for instance, there'd be no contradiction. Superman's implicit suggestion in your scan is that Wonder Woman trains herself to become ever faster.

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now why dont you post the scene of wonder woman blitzing him with the intent to kill and him moving so fast she couldnt even react ...




Wonder Woman in that storyline is NOT trying to kill Clark.
She's trying, in fact, to save him.

The premise of that story is that a machine called "The Vanishing" caused many of the people, including Lois, who are closest to the heart of Clark Kent, to disappear. Possibly killed them.

Clark wants to use the machine again thinking there might be a way to reverse the process and save his loved ones. If he's wrong, though, he very well might die himself in the process. Diana knows this and his trying to dissuade Clark. But the action with all this weaponry is a bluff on her part. And Clark knows it. And calls her on it "You'd kill me to prevent my suicide?"

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now why dont you post the scene of wonder woman blitzing him with the intent to kill and him moving so fast she couldnt even react... and back handing the shit outta her smile
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When she tries to blitz him from behind:

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When he blitzes her:
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The difference in speed is ridiculously blatant.


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Do you know what book your submission derives from or no?

Good time to share that info ...



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Also, again, the notion that Wonder Woman is trying to kill Clark is absurd, as is pointed out explicitly by Clark himself:

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Wonder Woman in that storyline is NOT trying to kill Clark.
She's trying, in fact, to save him.

The premise of that story is that a machine called "The Vanishing" caused many of the people, including Lois, who are closest to the heart of Clark Kent, to disappear. Possibly killed them.

Clark wants to use the machine again thinking there might be a way to reverse the process and save his loved ones. If he's wrong, though, he very well might die himself in the process. Diana knows this and his trying to dissuade Clark. But the action with all this weaponry is a bluff on her part. And Clark knows it. And calls her on it "You'd kill me to prevent my suicide?"

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so trying to stab someone in the face with a magic sword is trying to save them laughing laughing and said someone has a vulnerability to magic laughing out loud laughing out loud


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So she was trying to kill him then?

Upset that he's risking his life she decided to kill him ?

You must be ****ing retarded.


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So...she wanted to be backhanded across the room?


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No, but she probably wasn't trying to kill him.


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Wonder Woman versus a Flash clone about 20 years or so ago.
So weird that I can say that now about a book that so closely followed the first Wonder Woman comic I ever bought.

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Source: Wonder Woman #109, Volume 2, May 1996

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Point still remains.

Despite her intentions (whether it be killing as ghost says, or avoiding getting hit, as, well, common sense says) she was still unable to do so.

Due to Clark's speed.


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Wonder Woman versus a Flash clone about 20 years or so ago.
So weird that I can say that now about a book that so closely followed the first Wonder Woman comic I ever bought.

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Source: Wonder Woman #109, Volume 2, May 1996


so even a flash clone can move faster than she can react? thats not helping your case at all


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Point still remains.

Despite her intentions (whether it be killing as ghost says, or avoiding getting hit, as, well, common sense says) she was still unable to do so.

Due to Clark's speed.



We can grant the backhand, even if there's a case to be made that Diana is flat footed, unsure of what to do after her bluff fails.

She yells to WARN Clark that she is attacking him while is back is turned, though.
Note the relative silence she and the JLA operate under in a more serious fight:

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so even a flash clone can move faster than she can react? thats not helping your case at all



Can move faster than she reacted.

Yet she still won.


Just like she did against the real thing in that Starro episode.

Even as she won against even faster Zoom, though most of THAT fight looked like a World Tour beating.

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Can move faster than she reacted.

Yet she still won.


Just like she did against the real thing in that Starro episode.

Even as she won against even faster Zoom, though most of THAT fight looked like a World Tour beating.


not the point im trying to make. the real flash could have easily put her down.

you mean against a mind controlled flash?


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not the point im trying to make. the real flash could have easily put her down.

you mean against a mind controlled flash?


Starro episode featured a mind controlled Flash.

Back in that mid 1990s era the real Flash probably could have put her down.
I imagine a guy with a shotgun could have too.
Actually one almost did a few issues before that:


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Source: Wonder Woman #101, Volume 2


The point of the Flash Clone episode is more to show the kind of thinking and adaptation and strategy Wondy uses in a fight. Time periods can't be ignored if we're going to have a serious discussion about this subject.
What Deathstroke can and did do to the Flash of this era makes Wondy's showing look very good indeed.

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Wonder Woman isn't faster than Superman just because of one writer saying so. Just like Deathstroke isn't faster than her despite one writer making it clear.

Heck Mongul has been stated faster than her by one writer. By consistent feats, Superman is far faster than her.


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Wonder Woman chain-combo Superman in almost every of their fight.

She is obviously quicker and more skilled than him.


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I'm serious about making a good reference log for this thread, and, thanks to helpful associates, currently have expanded resources.

Experimenting with the best way(s) to present.

Cover gallery, for every magazine I could determine on page 1.
More should follow, interspersed with the normal dialogue here and completely at random, till there is one for every major page of images.


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Arenas matter quite a bit.

Spider-Man, away from the tall buildings of New York, is reduced to helplessness against all but a handful of foes. Batman suffers similarly outside of city settings, as there are no shadows to melt into. Sandman and Clayface could not function in the middle of the ocean, Aquaman and Namor are shrimp in the desert.

It's worth noting that environment has a profound effect on the Flash, too, and that he often does not take such things into account until he's suffering from the reality of that:


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Source: JLA; probably the Terror Incognita series, of which a selection from issue #57 was shown before.

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