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One Big Mob
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Originally posted by Zack M
BTW, she would see right through his misdirections. She can see through false realities, and that is what Fantomex does, he "skewers reality". There is NO guarantee that his misdirection would even work, which makes this fight interesting.
"Interesting"

You're under the assumption she can see through everything he can do and that her powers will totally work. This fight is interesting, but you didn't think so coming in.


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she sees through realities? wtf? scans? and yes, bran, like didgi said, occasionally he accidentally sets up a scenario that works out...


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"Interesting"

You're under the assumption she can see through everything he can do and that her powers will totally work. This fight is interesting, but you didn't think so coming in.


I did. Both are similar in nature, similar costume, similar powers, etc...

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I'd love to hear more about Sensor Girl tbh, she seems interesting, but can't really take anything Zack says at face value. I did appreciate abhi jumping in earlier, at least.


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so...no scans of her seeing through realities then? imagine my shock. no expression


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Patience, patience. Beatbok's probably has a load of scans, but I'll post some.

Projecta has fooled beings like Mordru:


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Sensor Girl creates duplicates of herself vs the Persuader.

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Even after Nemesis Kid overcomes her illusions (As some of you think it might not affect Fantom), she still snaps his neck.

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Even the beehive was back!� But the entire point of the reboot was creating new takes on the old characters, and Jeckie was no exception.� When an alien attack forced the newest Legionnaires into action, Projectras powers were especially useful, as she could see THROUGH illusions (and also Umbra/Shadow Lass darkness) to the truth.


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Sensor Girl is a top tier MA. Trained by no other than Val Armorr.

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It would be interesting to see if SG can take Fantomex's senses away from him. smile

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i'm still not sure where you're getting that she can see through realities.... nothing in those scans indicates she could break a misdirect.


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A misdirection is just a type of illusion. She can see right through them. She can probably take away his senses, to throw him off.

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As for the most recent version of SG, she has magic spells to draw upon. She doesn't have to necessarily see a person to affect them.

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I had to read that two and a half times to understand.


I swear I did the exact same thing.


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Now, let's see Sensor Girl's last feat:

Tharok was connected to the quark, which connected him to the universe and gave him unlimited power. This power gave him control over a Promethean Giant.

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Yet, Sensor Girl was able to disrupt Tharok's control over his reality.

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geezus, how many times does it need repeating--misdirect is NOT ILLUSION. no matter how many times you SAY it's an illusion, it is NOT an illusion..... seriously, wtf? you don't need to "break" reality to shatter an illusion. the list of people and beings fooled is ridiculous. not illusion. no proof she could she through it. not hard.


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Yet, we've seen Psylocke break free. Fantom will be manipulating her sense of reality, and Jackie can see right through that.

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The key here, is whether Fantomex can fool unconventional levels of environment sensing. Could he fool a blind man, for example? Either Matt, or a blind guy using a cane?

Could he fool Spider Sense? Could he fool Jedi sensory tricks? Could he fool Sticks "chi senses"?


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well, he fooled a CELESTIAL SHIP. common sense would dictate that it had pretty advanced sensory arrays. and it certainly doesn't "see" or "smell"...

anyway, i'm good with this discussion. if someone else comes in besides prep and tries making a case with relevant proof, maybe i'll change my mind. atm, i don't see anyway she can see through his power and even if he is fooled, she'd stop using her powers when she thought she won and he'd kill her while she was still in the misdirect.


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Why can't SHE fool him? She's fooled things like a Sun Eater, for crying out loud. What if it's whoever strikes FIRST type of fight?

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so...psylocke didn't break it? and it is manifestly NOT illusion.

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that goat monk was actually jamie f'n braddock. braddock recognized it was a lie after being fooled briefly, but recognition wasn't enough to escape it, he actually had to BREAK THE REALITY fantomex created. and of course he is a reality manipulator of the tallest order.

i don't see anyway she can she through or break a misdirect when braddock couldn't, nor could celestial technology.... she could maybe trick him briefly, but between his multiple brains and his own ability to make her think she won, i don't she how she can win this thing, ultimately.

She did it on a different occasion.

But I like how Fantomex is this invincible character who cannot be fooled by someone else.


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well, he fooled a CELESTIAL SHIP. common sense would dictate that it had pretty advanced sensory arrays. and it certainly doesn't "see" or "smell"...

anyway, i'm good with this discussion. if someone else comes in besides prep and tries making a case with relevant proof, maybe i'll change my mind. atm, i don't see anyway she can see through his power and even if he is fooled, she'd stop using her powers when she thought she won and he'd kill her while she was still in the misdirect.

Why would this "celestial ship" be any different than controlling a promethean giant?

Oh right, nobody can break the misdirection even when they can straight up see through it and beat him in his own game.

I like this invincible Fantomex.


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i wonder if the merge allowed him to keep the misdirect


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