Suddenly, Sidious' lightsabre duelling skills hype is going under.
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And Luceno loves to wank Palpatine. And Drew loves to wank Valkorion. And Veitch loves to wank Exar Kun.
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I guess, but it's a really odd way of saying that. Anywho, if that's the meaning of the quote, than anyone trying to cite this as proof in a versus between Maul and Grievous isn't using this properly.
Grievous was watching another fight when Maul pushed him. And even then, the push did nothing to Grievous aside from bfring him.
Dooku did better against ROTS Anakin, then Vader did against ROTJ Luke. Perhaps Vader was weakened by his love and conflicted. But aside of that, Dooku did better against superior enemy. And both - Dooku and Vader, shared a similar goals in those duels.
Btw, Vader has far too much pathetic showings against pathetic enemies, he's not even close to being > Sidious.
As both "includes" Grievous, you've conceded on this:
As impressive as it is for Maul to be able to lift his hand without the pressure of an ongoing light saber duel, it means nothing in the context of this versus.
And we know Maul would be able to successfully confirm Grievous' destruction because...
A fight requires two combatants. Only two instances in SOD qualify: Their two lightsaber duels.
The second has already been addressed and the only moment of note in the first was Grievous bypassing Maul's guard physically.
1)Grievous wasnt looking away when Maul pushed him. When you have to make things up to even enter a debate why bother?
1A) Urm, because Maul had the high ground, wasnt the one EASILY flung off a cliff. So why should anyone believe Grievous was about to turn that fight around? Except that you wish it of course.
2)Oh im sorry I didnt realise Grievous wasnt around or even aware of a fight when Maul blitzed him.
3)Ah so being EASILY flung off a cliff via TK and Physically blitzed is nothing, but being Kicked 1 time is Da Bomb right?
4)Maul is better as proven twice in SOD and even admitted by both parties. Get over it.
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If that's the case, then we have seen what Palpatine's full power of lightning does at Windu. He was basically just FL'd; that's all. Which brings me to the conclusion that Palpatine's Force lightning is capable to turn people into ash or ashy bones only when in the presence of a Dark Side nexusI(Kalakar Six, the Sith crystal)
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That's actually exactly the situation.
Vader was a fully-trained Jedi Knight who became a monstrously powerful Sith Lord.
Luke meanwhile has less training than most Younglings. (Jedi growing up in Clans had 10 years of training with teachers before going on to become Padawans.)
Most importantly, even Luke knew that Vader was holding back - with his words, "I feel the good in you, the conflict.."
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Vader was holding back, it's Canon.
Also, Luke is less skilled than Zett Juckasa - and leagues beneath Dooku.
Luke had a lot of trouble handling Jabba the Hutt's hired mooks and he was an adult.
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Luke can't replicate Juckasa's feat of taking down elite Clonetroopers.
Luke gets utterly raped by Count Dooku.
- Luke is leagues below most lightsaber duelists - why are people trying to delude themselves in thinking otherwise?
Dooku although it wouldn't take much to come up with an argument in Luke's favor.
Luke's younger but Dooku's physical augmentation can easily make up for this. Dooku can augment his strength, speed, and endurance.
Luke's use of the Force while creative and intuitive is nothing Dooku hasn't seen and while he has more raw power, at this point he's not anywhere near Dooku. I don't think Luke would be immediately TK'd but he is outclassed and if Dooku had to resort to his Force abilities he wouldn't last too long.
In sabers Dooku obviously has a skill advatage as prodigal as Luke the best I can see him doing is contending. Luke's use of Djem So isn't polished or refined enough to consistently pummel Dooku into submission. If Dooku can exploit the weaknesses of Djem So when fighting Anakin, he can with Luke.
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So, Vader is a worse lightsabre duelist than Dooku?
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In my opinion, canon Vader > canon Dooku in sabers and all out. Anakin had an advantage over Dooku in rots due to not only him being a lvl 9 against a high lvl 8 on the Gillard scale, but stylistically it favored Anakin as well, which was due to the kinetic energy generated by form V.
As Vader in the suit, you are now doubling his stylistic advantage over Dooku due to the enhanced power of Vader's mechanical limbs. In-universe quotes from Vader in Lord's of the Sith will tell you that he's only grown more powerful since doning the suit:
"He stared at his reflection a long time. His injuries had deformed his body, left it broken, but they'd perfected his spirit, strengthening his connection to the Force. Suffering had birthed insight."
AND his suit doesn't hinder him in any way:
"When man and machine were one, he no longer felt the absence of his legs or arms, the pain of his flesh, but the hate remained, and the rage still burned. Those, he never relinquished, and he never felt more connected to the Force than when his fury burned."
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