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The simulation hypothesis is bad maths at its finest. Might as well believe in Zeus at that point.


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The simulation hypothesis is bad maths at its finest. Might as well believe in Zeus at that point.


How is it bad math?


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Well, for starters, if perfect simulations are possible, so are imperfect simulations. By sheer numbers you can realize there are more imperfect simulations than perfect ones, after all this needs to be tested and explored, a universe doesn't necessarily gains anything from running superior simulation.

In any number of those imperfect simulations a perfect simulation will be impossible. Hence the highest possibility when you leave in a simulation is to live in a world that cannot have any simulation and thus the simulation hypothesis is technically false for your universe and for any simulation done from that universe.


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Well, for starters, if perfect simulations are possible, so are imperfect simulations. By sheer numbers you can realize there are more imperfect simulations than perfect ones, after all this needs to be tested and explored, a universe doesn't necessarily gains anything from running superior simulation.

In any number of those imperfect simulations a perfect simulation will be impossible. Hence the highest possibility when you leave in a simulation is to live in a world that cannot have any simulation and thus the simulation hypothesis is technically false for your universe and for any simulation done from that universe.


But all that needs to be true is for there to be more simulated realities than real ones. How many simulated realities that cannot themselves support simulated realities strikes me as irrelevant to the probabilities. The ratio isn't perfect simulations over imperfect simulations, it's simulations that match our observable universe over base realities.


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And who's to say this isn't an imperfect simulation? And who are we to judge if it is or isn't it? If the programmer's goal is to create a reality with altered rules and physics, or a reality built for them to manipulate at will, then perhaps the point is to see what the inhabitants of an imperfect simulation will do with it. Maybe try to create their own?

I usually hear the simulation hypothesis discussed as if it's humans (or future humans) doing the simulating. I like to wonder about some other species in the Universe doing it. Maybe simulating an entire galaxy and seeing what goes on inside it, in which case we could be just a tiny byproduct of their parameters. Maybe even one they don't care about.


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How many simulated realities that cannot themselves support simulated realities strikes me as irrelevant to the probabilities. The ratio isn't perfect simulations over imperfect simulations, it's simulations that match our observable universe over base realities.


Part of the assumption is that perfect simulations are practiced and common. But if we aknowledge the possibility of imperfect simulations then the assumption of that practice being common would be false (within the simulation) as they'd be impossible. So we arrive with a condition that cannot be disproven if true (as we could just be in a bad simulation) and is less likely to be confirmed if true also. That calls into question how relevant it is that these practices are "common" or not.


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