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She was not a total noob. That’s the point. Her ability to learn seemed far quicker than most. Not everyone learns at the same pace. As I said her power was equal to Ren’s her technical skill was not. She wasn’t some padawan moron like you said. Dialogue from Snoke, Luke, and Ren says otherwise.
You just try to downplay because of your own inner bias which dictates your opinion.
Her ability to learn what? She had no formal or proper training.
Thats great she’s a natural like Savage Opress was, but like him shes clearly still a noob (as of TLJ), and would get owned in the Force by Maul or Dooku level force users.
Your love for Snoke does not change the rules of Star Wars.
Registered: May 2007
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So without training she still defeated an injured Ren. That’s before she had Luke’s training. She also resisted his powers upon realizing she possessed powers herself. Even Ren admitted her powers would rise even after that moment. Dialogue tells the audience but d. Thor and his silly little no formal training nonsense.
Opress defeated Jedi with no formal training, lol. I never said opress was as skilled as Dooku nor did I ever claim Rey was near that level so again you’re just saying silly things because you’re upset her power level was insane and her skills were pretty good prior to Luke’s training.
Snoke overpowered her with relative ease something Ren was unable to do. Snoke’s power is far greater than Ren or Rey’s which were equal in the film. Snoke’s power is undeniable unless you’re a biased twit.
Can ren defeat vader? No, not even close, palpatine is stronger than maul and vader combined and maybe add dooku, so you cannot make the point that ren and Rey are not as strong as snoke when Sidious is stronger then his own STRONGER apprentices.
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Yes, Ren would defeat Vader imo. He doesn’t lack the mobility, never lost a great deal of force power due to burning, and showed the power to defeat Luke prior to cutting off the force. Luke owned Vader in Rotj to the point it was laughable.
Sidious while more powerful than Maul still needed his skill to best him. Ren is more force powerful than Maul which makes Snoke’s owning of he and Rey even more impressive. He wasn’t even pushed at all. He did so casually unlike Sidious.
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He has more force power and isn’t slow due to the suit. Vader is vastly overrated. He never achieved a legit win over even Kenobi for ****s sake. You can act like Vader is some badass he simply isn’t.
But apparently Snoke saying Ren isn't Vader and Kylo scared he isn't as strong as Vader is just a metaphor to motivate Kylo, not an indicator of his power lmao that cope tbh.
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Hey quan, you're still around and kicking? That's kind of nice to see.
Earlier you said that Luke achieved an overwhelming victory. I can't help but disagree. Luke only began to overpower Vader after the threats to Leia's safety drove Luke to tap into the dark side. Before that Vader was keeping Luke at bay and driving him back. I wouldn't exactly call that "owning".
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Registered: Mar 2009
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Again, thank you! I'm honestly flattered, but I don't think I'm more than perhaps competent. I used to have some other folks on here relatively like-minded that made good arguments. You can probably find some of the threads they frequented in the Video Games Versus forum or the Foreign Cinema forum, which was repurposed into an "all media" versus forum.
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