__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
1. I accept and tolerate your weirdness. It's your life, however you want to live it, and that is what I accept, if not your world view wholesale.
2. I affirm your beliefs. I accept your world view.
I can refuse to accept a post op transsexual is a woman, and refuse to bully/allow bullying.
The current tactics seem to demand across the border affirmation, which simply puts people on the defensive.
Shame is NOT a good tactic for social change. All it does is force people to choose between defensively digging in, or admitting defeat.
That may not be an answer you want to hear, but people have their pride. Asking someone to give up on tradition, and accept a "new normal" will only promote hostility:
__________________ What CDTM believes;
Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
Gender: Male Location: The Proud Nation of Kekistan
"I am not denying your humanity, I just do not believe you are the gender to which you claim to be"
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Shadilay my brothers and sisters. With any luck we will throw off the shackles of normie oppression. We have nothing to lose but our chains! Praise Kek!
THE MOTTO IS "IN KEK WE TRUST"
"I am not denying your right to protest, I am just defending the honor of the flag I believe in."
"But it's not about the flag."
"When you do it in front of the flag, it's about the flag to us."
__________________ What CDTM believes;
Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
Gender: Male Location: The Proud Nation of Kekistan
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Shadilay my brothers and sisters. With any luck we will throw off the shackles of normie oppression. We have nothing to lose but our chains! Praise Kek!
THE MOTTO IS "IN KEK WE TRUST"
Gender roles are under the gender umbrella though. Sex is a more useful way to describe what you're talking about.
Again, that seems to be a rare occurrence.
See, I disagree. What I see is people getting defensive because a legitimate opposing point is raised that may force them to reconsider their long held stance. No one has been rude in this thread for example, but you're still talking about being shamed.
If you're just talking about the discussion nationally/worldwide, then in some instances I'd agree. Reasoned discourse is the best way, assuming people are willing to change.
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Gender: Male Location: The Proud Nation of Kekistan
You mean aside from Beni calling those who disagrees with him analogous to flat-earthers?
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Shadilay my brothers and sisters. With any luck we will throw off the shackles of normie oppression. We have nothing to lose but our chains! Praise Kek!
THE MOTTO IS "IN KEK WE TRUST"
__________________ Chicken Boo, what's the matter with you? You don't act like the other chickens do. You wear a disguise to look like human guys, but you're not a man you're a Chicken Boo.
That logic doesn't work though. When your opposition says "it's not about the flag", the proper response is "Oh, well then what is it about? Maybe we can solve this?"
Instead, that last line says, essentially "well, we're going to pretend it's about the flag anyway, so hah."
Fair point. There was someone.
Cuz the Rhesus monkeys?
I'm not a fan of using animals to predict human behavior. We try too hard to read ourselves into the behaviors we like and ignore the ones we dislike. We can find a study supporting practically any viewpoint with animals.
Rhesus monkeys eat mostly plants with ocassional insects thrown in. Would you be willing to go vegetarian because they do it? Living in a polyamorous communal society with a bunch of other folks sharing your girlfriend and raising your kids? I'm being colorful, and I'm not saying any of these are bad, but I doubt most people would be up for them.
Animal behavior doesn't translate 1:1 to humans. We cherry pick animal behavior and say "see! We do that! We're just animals!" all while disregarding the shit we don't like. I'm not a fan of that. Posting on an internet forum would be like rocket science to a dumbass rhesus monkey.
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Bro I'm about to chow down on an awesome plant/insect burger right now. Coincidence or...fate?
__________________ Chicken Boo, what's the matter with you? You don't act like the other chickens do. You wear a disguise to look like human guys, but you're not a man you're a Chicken Boo.
It doesn't matter what its about to you. If you don't want them doing it in front of the flag, then don't bring out the flag in the first place.
And for the record, this whole, "standing in front of the flag is key to keep american society together" nonsense is horseshit. The tradition was only introduced in 2009 when the department of defense started paying the nfl to start this tradition: http://dailysnark.com/nfl-teams-did...al-anthem-2009/
When you defend the "honor of the flag" you defend the honor of government propaganda.
It's not patriotism, it's paid propaganda, and by telling football players they can't publicly protest the government on the field, the NFL has confirmed their status as the government's puppet.
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The flag's history with the NFL isn't the point, though. The flag is a symbol to many.
Isn't a key argument of social justice, that one's individual experiences matter?
Why shouldn't we respect the feelings of those who claim, for them, it's about the flag?
__________________ What CDTM believes;
Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
"I do not accept your world view" is not equivalent to "i do not accept you protesting in a manner that happens to offend my world view"
If anything those who are shutting down protests are akin to those who shut down the people who say " I just do not believe you are the gender to which you claim to be"".
If you support people saying what they think about gender, then you shouldn't take issue with people kneeling in front of the flag.
Personally, I've never felt my patriotism being attacked by someone else not standing for the National Anthem. Even people who burn the US flag do not affect my patriotism; I think they're stupid as I think flag burning is stupid, but I don't feel insulted or less American because of it. Maybe I'm just that patriotic where another can't make me question my own patriotism or maybe I'm just not a little b***h looking for something irrelevant to me to whine over while covering it up as patriotism.
Accept kneeling in front of the flag, isn't disrespecting the flag.
That's how they're similar. The people feel how they feel, and are being asked to feel differently.
Of course, it's equally valid to say:
Accept I don't accept you're a woman.
And they may be deeply offended. At that point, not much to be done except agree to disagree, or agree to limit/end the relationship.
My main issue with the flag protests, is that they're clearly intending to provoke a reaction, while pretending "Nah."
Of COURSE they want to offend. Or they wouldn't do it in front of the flag at all. Flag protests, in all cases, are INTENDED to provoke a reaction from others.
Call it a pet peeve, but I don't believe in intentionally trying to provoke others. For any reason. It simply isn't necessary.
Sometimes, you can't help to, either way, but generally attempting to respect boundries is the ideal.
__________________ What CDTM believes;
Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
You see I'm not patriotic at all. I admire what my culture did in the past. It created the basis for almost everything. From discovering how to induce current to the basic mechanical model of the universe and theory of evolution. It gave the world real Football, Boxing etc and the dominant language. Modern democracy and legal systems... but that was then, a few of us bravely still walk the world like Titans, with education from Universities as old as the US... most watch YouTube and strictly come dancing. We have become Babylon.
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