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Maul's potential

Did Maul's potential decrease on being cut down on Naboo or did it stay the same?

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Kenobi actually helped double Maul's limits. It didn't work for Anakin because he burned out.


[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Fair to say they ignored it, and we can attribute it to Talzin's magic if you're looking for an explanation. In the TPM Novel he was said to be at his peak never to get better for instance... he did!


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Maul at the peak of his power is still just a sit in for Dooku.


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His force potential was absolutely diminished.

1) For being cut in half.
2) And more importantly, For cutting short his apprenticeship with Sidious.

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Maul's potential as of TPM is still so insignificant that he's just a placeholder for Anakin.

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Maul at the peak of his power is still just a sit in for Dooku.
Per Sidious' own admission Dooku was a placeholder who he only put in place because he needed to replace Maul after his "death". This was established in Legends even before Maul returned to TCW.

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Maul's potential as of TPM is still so insignificant that he's just a placeholder for Anakin.


Anybody would be lol

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The reason I ask is because there is a Chee quote saying his potential did not decrease. Also because it is still ongoing whether or not midichlorian count overall or density determines potential

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The reason I ask is because there is a Chee quote saying his potential did not decrease. Also because it is still ongoing whether or not midichlorian count overall or density determines potential

I'm almost 100% sure that GL said that Vader's potential had decreased after Mustafar because he was now more robot than flesh. Same prolly applies to Maul.


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Also Chees quote did not sound definitive at all. He was asked about Vader being less powerful, and he replied with: Well Maul got half his body chopped off and was still pretty powerful.

So even he is equating their circumstances.

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The reason I ask is because there is a Chee quote saying his potential did not decrease. Also because it is still ongoing whether or not midichlorian count overall or density determines potential
It has to be both count and density. Midichlorians are what are used to channel Force energy through. Having less of them means you can channel less Force energy. If you lose limbs, you lose midichlorians, so you lose some ability to channel the Force.

Count is only an issue when someone loses limbs. But it doesn't seem to matter at all otherwise: Yoda is very small but has a great density of midichlorians.

So yeah, I imagine Vader, Maul and anyone else who lost limbs also lost some upper Force potential.

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Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
The reason I ask is because there is a Chee quote saying his potential did not decrease. Also because it is still ongoing whether or not midichlorian count overall or density determines potential


Total midichlorian count affecting potential would be retarded, as taller people would've greater potential than their counterparts with similar density - which would make Yoda a hilarious case.

If potential is determined by midichlorian density, then Vader (or anyone) losing his potential after losing his limbs would make no sense at all.

Lucas' explanation makes no sense and must be accepted without further rationalization. I just take the Force depends on living tissue to manifestate and I don't dare to go further than that.


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Count is only an issue when someone loses limbs. But it doesn't seem to matter at all otherwise: Yoda is very small but has a great density of midichlorians.





Who knows, perhaps Yoda would have been vastly more powerful were he human sized.


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Lucas' explanation makes no sense and must be accepted without further rationalization. I just take the Force depends on living tissue to manifestate and I don't dare to go further than that.



Also fair. Providing we dont just rule Lucas off.

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Per Sidious' own admission Dooku was a placeholder who he only put in place because he needed to replace Maul after his "death". This was established in Legends even before Maul returned to TCW.


So Maul was the placeholder for a placeholder? Poor guy


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...no, because had Maul still been alive, Dooku wouldn't have gotten the job.

https://imgur.com/a/E8eHw4g

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...no, because had Maul still been alive, Dooku wouldn't have gotten the job.

https://imgur.com/a/E8eHw4g


By Sidious own admission he was looking for a step up, but I agree he didn't intend to replace Maul so my statement was misleading thumb up

I personally don't see any future in which Maul doesn't get "killed" before Anakin gets turned but the idea of how things would've turned sounds interesting

Edit: If the canon goes to make Sidious the creator of Anakin then I wonder how does the Maul/Anakin succession was intended to happen. Probably it'd be retconned somehow?


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Dooku definitely would’ve gotten the job, at least in Canon. It’s stated that Sidious was actively looking for a replacement for Maul, someone better in the “dark dealings that would spell the final end of the Republic.”

This is clearly meant in more ways than one, because if Palpatine was only speaking about a political figure, he’d have just chosen any random politician to front the CIS. Maul’s a simple thug with no tact thumb up

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Dooku definitely would’ve gotten the job, at least in Canon. It’s stated that Sidious was actively looking for a replacement for Maul, someone better in the “dark dealings that would spell the final end of the Republic.”

This is clearly meant in more ways than one, because if Palpatine was only speaking about a political figure, he’d have just chosen any random politician to front the CIS. Maul’s a simple thug with no tact thumb up
Citation needed.

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Is the citation even necessary? We already know that in Canon, Dooku was working for Sidious during Valorum's chancellorship, i.e before Maul's death.


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I'd like one for Sidious planning to replace Maul with Dooku.

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