I can try a thread idea. Think of it as an open BZ. Superman vs [insert character]. Usual forum rules. Two rounds.
1. No prep, usual battle stips
2. A scenario fight, where Supes gets to grab tech etc like with the White Martians.
No one over....HH level. Then let's see how it plays out. It'll attract all the toxic posters for sure, but if no one can come up with a convincing post or argument, then he comes off the list?
And if we need things like 'Flash travels back in time to kill him' just to beat him, that shows how Uber he is (because frankly, that attack one shots pretty much everyone).
We are discussing it. That's what this thread is for.
The problem is the separation of the character from his role in the company. I mean, even as bad as Snyder's writing can be, he recognises it enough to do what he did. How do separate those two things fairly?
Even if you go just by feats, Superman still takes the boundary of what a herald should be able to do, shoves it in a locker and takes its lunch money while calling it a homophobic slur or two.
I also agree with the temporarily banning Superman threads.
If the debate really needs to happen somewhere there should be a couple of threads available when the discussion is hot and people are motivated to do an actual argument. That sounds more of a battlezone situation to me which is fine.
I'm not saying that Superman is completely unbeatable in a forum setting. However, I do think he's done more than enough at this point to put him in a class above the maximum parameters of the tiers thread for sure... Especially given the 'full capacity' rule of KMC.
I mean, how many Heralds, Trans-levelers, or even Skyfathers do you know of who have done what he's done, as consistently as he's done it? Typically you don't see characters in those tiers routinely wiping their asses with universal/multiversal beings. /shrug
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I mean -- Loki, Black Bolt, Nate Grey, Beta Ray [I know he lost to him, but it was hamerless], Supergirl, Cassandra Nova, Graviton, Black Adam/Shazam etc. etc. are still there, and they're better than him. Depending on how sustained his push is, it might be possible in the future, though - but a one off is not enough.
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I always thought Gladiator is overrated, but I will say this
his recent showing vs bill and galactus
he definitely appears to be the top of the game in marvel heralds right now, I'd say now he's the second most powerful annihilator right after surfer with an argument being the best
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