and tell me, when did hell freeze over, making opinion become fact?
wow... i don't mean to be mean... i really don't... but this is the guy who bested palpatine (a sith lord ) one on one...
i dont consider eu to be honest because alot of it imo is written by guys who just want to show how much they lover their fave character...
a bounty hunter versus a jedi master... i know mace has a bad reputation... but even with full equipment i honestly cant see how jango or bobba would best him one on one...
and as for vosa, he may as well have shot him in the back...
Actually, Mace offers to spare his life, Boba flatly refuses and prepares himself to die fighting, and then Senator Palpatine walks in (Boba had attacked Mace there) and effectively interrupts the battle. But it makes more sense if you read the whole thing.
Except where it conflicts with the movies (Lucas, you twit!), EU is considered cannon and in fact even carries the Lucas seal of approval. That's just the way it is, baby.
I can personally think of some BETTER methods than the ones Boba and Jango use ... but as far as that goes, I can still see how it would be theoretically possible for them, at least under the right circumstances.
Vosa was a woman, and the battle was very much face-to-face (and brutally difficult, I'm told -- I need to get that game myself ).
I don't have any specific emotions about the Mace character in general ... EXCEPT that I feel it was a really bad role for a really great actor. Jedi are, by definition, supposed to be as emotionally flat as possible, and ... in a way, that's a problem when you as the audience are supposed to care about the character. There was no tragedy in Mace's death -- not for me, at least -- any more than there would be in the death of a random droid.
Sammy's one of my favorite actors, but to date, I consider Mace his absolute worst role of which I'm aware.
I like Mace to be honest, sure he's cold, but he's a born leader... watching three jedi cut down in cold blood would make any jedi react the way mace did...
__________________ "he could......if he needed too....hed juss make up lies about how one was talkin smack bout the other and then they would fight, and after they foughtit out....he would suck the other weakened one into a blackhole." - King KAN explaining how Batman could defeat Thanos and Galactus
Nothing can be published about that universe without Lucas's express approval.
Therefore, everything written about the Star Wars universe has been expressly approved by Locas. Whether he bothers to take responsibility and read what he approves is irrelevant. He owns it, and it's up to him to set limits on what does and doesn't get through. He gets no sympathy for being irresponsible and letting others effectively make his decisions for him.
You can rail against the facts 'till you're blue in the face, but at the end of the day, they're still facts.
__________________ "he could......if he needed too....hed juss make up lies about how one was talkin smack bout the other and then they would fight, and after they foughtit out....he would suck the other weakened one into a blackhole." - King KAN explaining how Batman could defeat Thanos and Galactus
Last edited by Orestes on Sep 17th, 2005 at 07:12 PM
dude.. EU has never, is not now nor will it ever be canon.. deal with it
just cause Lucas says 'yeah go ahead & write it so i can line my pockets somemore while giving fanboys even more idiotic mateiral to have wet dreams about' doesnt make it canon.. if THATS what you wanna discuss then GREAT - there's a whole forum for it.. otherwise quit wasting space
The whole point of a copyright on intellectual property is so that nobody can profit from your ideas without your consent ... OR misrepresent them. Merely by virtue of giving someone the go-ahead, any author is effectively adding whatever the person produces to the collective lore of his/her creation. That's the way it is with everything. If Lucas didn't want EU to be part of Star Wars, then he shouldn't have said "go ahead." He did, and it is. That's just the way it works.
To suggest otherwise is utterly ludicrous and frankly is beneath debating further.
__________________ "he could......if he needed too....hed juss make up lies about how one was talkin smack bout the other and then they would fight, and after they foughtit out....he would suck the other weakened one into a blackhole." - King KAN explaining how Batman could defeat Thanos and Galactus
Well, you know what? I take that back. *I* find it ludicrous and see no reason to discuss it further, but if you want to see it that way, that's obviously your right. Feel free.
It basically just means there's nothing more to talk about in that direction. So there you go.
__________________ "he could......if he needed too....hed juss make up lies about how one was talkin smack bout the other and then they would fight, and after they foughtit out....he would suck the other weakened one into a blackhole." - King KAN explaining how Batman could defeat Thanos and Galactus
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I only read some of this topic, but going back a ways...
Mace had his saber to Jango, and told Dooku that if he tried anything, Jango was dead. Dooku then surprised Mace by actually trying something - and before Mace could react, he was on fire. That's why Mace didn't kill Jango then and there.
I made my case for that more than adequately. I'm not going to bother repeating it, as any idiot should be able to read and understand it already, and those who can't are probably beyond my help no matter how much I attempt to explain.
At this point, you either agree with the stance I've taken based on Lucas giving the go-ahead to these people, or you do not. That's it. End of discussion. Thank you, and please drive through.
__________________ "he could......if he needed too....hed juss make up lies about how one was talkin smack bout the other and then they would fight, and after they foughtit out....he would suck the other weakened one into a blackhole." - King KAN explaining how Batman could defeat Thanos and Galactus
That's cool. It doesn't bother me at all that you disagree with my conclusions. But that's not what you said that I objected to at all. What I objected to was this:
That's not saying, "I disagree with your conclusions." That's saying, "You haven't made your case in the first place," which is a very different statement -- one to which I took strong exception. Furthermore, the tone of the post struck me, at least, as that of a person who's basically saying, "I challenge you to continue arguing with me about this," when as far as I can tell, there's nothing left for me to say about it.
That's why I said that at this point, you either agree with the stance I've taken, or you do not. Since we both understand each others' positions and simply don't agree, all we can really do now is argue for the sake of arguing or take turns repeating ourselves ad infinum ... both of which are pointless and silly, at least in my opinion.
Anyway, maybe I was too testy, too. I WAS in kind of an irritable mood that day for unrelated reasons, so ... sorry about that. But otherwise, seriously, I really don't want to continue arguing about this. I've said what I had to say, and I have no interest whatsoever in just arguing endlessly to no purpose.
Cool?
__________________ "he could......if he needed too....hed juss make up lies about how one was talkin smack bout the other and then they would fight, and after they foughtit out....he would suck the other weakened one into a blackhole." - King KAN explaining how Batman could defeat Thanos and Galactus
Last edited by Orestes on Sep 30th, 2005 at 06:53 AM