Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm curious, how do you feel that a link that - quite literally - that reaffirms everything I just said somehow supports you calling BS on my post? Seriously, fail bro.

Spider-man's strength advantage is inconsequential. His speed advantage is so slight that it is barely worth mentioning. Any and all physically altercations between the two will end with Wolverine winning. 10/10. Spider-man could and would web him up though, as I've always asserted.

B.S. on any human at this time being anywhere near a Dragoesk PSI punching power number. And Spiderman is at a minimum 5X stronger and 5X faster. I wouldn't say that, that is a inconsequential amount.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
and 5X faster.

What...? Read some Wolverine, seriously.

Spidey isn't five times faster than wolvie. That's bullshit.

Stark has been drinking again, it seems.

😆

Originally posted by Tony Stark
B.S. on any human at this time being anywhere near a Dragoesk PSI punching power number. And Spiderman is at a minimum 5X stronger and 5X faster. I wouldn't say that, that is a inconsequential amount.

facepalm

Seriously, did you really not bother to read the posts you quoted me on? The figures I quoted were not PSI, they were completely different figures. I said as much. It's right there in my post. Not only did I say it... it's in the f@cking article you cited.

Reading Comprehension, next time you level up point some skill points into it.

5x faster? Good one. 😆

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Stark has been drinking again, it seems.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I already said I don't want to discuss any further. Frankly I like wolvie and spidey about the same, so I don't have any favorite in this fight.

That only tells that you haven't read these comics and is solely going by throwing things into dark. Anyone saying For The Man Who Has Everything isn't a classic or Birthright, Hitman 34, Red Son aren't a classic which get recommended by everyone doesn't know about comics much. Kingdom come was about superman and his influence, wolverine was just there in GLMK. Lets see which Daredevil stories are better than the like of All star, KIngdom Come, WHTTMOT, FTMWHE, Secret Identity etc.

I mistook Origin for Origins. It was an alright story, superman has at least half a dozen origin stories alone better than that.

I can run off a list off all the quintessential Wolverine comics and act indignant too... it doesn't elevate them to classic statues.

There is almost too many classic Daredevil stories to list. Prior to Diggle shitting the bed with Shadow Land, Daredevil was on - with very few exceptions - a 30 year long streak of amazing (not good, not great, amazing) stories back to back to back. Miller, Daniel Chichester, DeMatteis, Kevin Smith, Bendis, Brubaker, and now Waid is knocking it out of the park. An unheard of an unrivaled string of quality stories in the superhero genre. Born Again, The Elektra Saga, Daredevil: Yellow, Love and War, The Man Without Fear, Last Rights, The Murdock Papers, Devil in Cell Block D, Guardian Devil, Child’s Play, The Devil Inside and Out, Fall from Grace, the entirety of Mark Waid's Daredevil so far. Daredevil has more classic stories then any other character, and he has a small fraction of appearances that the big dogs do.

I don't so, before the last issue Origin was amazing.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I can run off a list off all the quintessential Wolverine comics and act indignant too... it doesn't elevate them to classic statues.

There is almost too many classic Daredevil stories to list. Prior to Diggle shitting the bed with Shadow Land, Daredevil was on - with very few exceptions - a 30 year long streak of amazing (not good, not great, amazing) stories back to back to back. Miller, Daniel Chichester, DeMatteis, Kevin Smith, Bendis, Brubaker, and now Waid is knocking it out of the park. An unheard of an unrivaled string of quality stories in the superhero genre. Born Again, The Elektra Saga, Daredevil: Yellow, Love and War, The Man Without Fear, Last Rights, The Murdock Papers, Devil in Cell Block D, Guardian Devil, Child’s Play, The Devil Inside and Out, Fall from Grace, the entirety of Mark Waid's Daredevil so far. Daredevil has more classic stories then any other character, and he has a small fraction of appearances that the big dogs do.

I don't so, before the last issue Origin was amazing.

Yeah, I know about all of them. Only Born Again and The Elektra saga are anywhere close to All star and WHTTMOT in quality. Superman has more lousy stories than daredevil but he also has way more appearances. Untill Elektra saga daredevil wasn't even monthly ffs! Doesn't mean he doesn't have better stories than him though and more better stories. I can list more batman stories that are classic than almost all other major characters combined. Daredevil isn't even close to that level.

Yeah, at best its as good as Superman: The secret years. That's not good enough.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok, you don't consider For the man who has everything as a classic? What's wrong with you? I can understand others but acting as Superman annual 11 isn't a classic is practically a crime. Your opinion is invalidated.😛

Yeah, I know about all of them. Only Born Again and The Elektra saga are anywhere close to All star and WHTTMOT in quality. Superman has more lousy stories than daredevil but he also has way more appearances. Untill Elektra saga daredevil wasn't even monthly ffs! Doesn't mean he doesn't have better stories than him though and more better stories. I can list more batman stories that are classic than almost all other major characters combined. Daredevil isn't even close to that level.

Yeah, at best its as good as Superman: The secret years. That's not good enough.

I like For the Man Who Has Everything, unfortunately I didn't read until years after I read Lost In The Fun House. Both are kinda in the same vein and I like LitFH better. I'm aware that FtMWHE came out first, but I can't retroactively go back and look at it under that lens. /shrug

I think you're mistaken. I'd put Daredevils catalog up against Batman's any day of the week. I think he has more classic stories to his name and frankly, better ones.

I disagree, and I doubt you could find a person more hyper critical of Wolverine's books then I am.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I like For the Man Who Has Everything, unfortunately I didn't read until years after I read Lost In The Fun House. Both are kinda in the same vein and I like LitFH better. I'm aware that FtMWHE came out first, but I can't retroactively go back and look at it under that lens. /shrug

I think you're mistaken. I'd put Daredevils catalog up against Batman's any day of the week. I think he has more classic stories to his name and frankly, better ones.

I disagree, and I doubt you could find a person more hyper critical of Wolverine's books then I am.

Honestly I want to talk about stories on the forum more than who beats who and shit. Its much better topic of conversation.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Fair enough.

Honestly I want to talk about stories on the forum more than who beats who and shit. Its much better topic of conversation.

That's a much more subjective and opinion orientated topic of discussion though, so no one is really invested in making a case one way or another. It's unfortunate.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Spider-man wins. Direct encounters are what matter the most. Also LOL at trying to invalidate the ASM fight as always by wolverine fans aka anything and everything below hulk level knocking out wolverine is PIS and can't be used against him. He lost fair and square, accept it and move on. Its not like its the most embarrassing loss or ko he ever had, brass-knuckle wearing jocks have done worse than this to him.

Yep, this post was retarded enough to warrant a response...

If direct encounters are what matter most then let's use them.

If you think that Spiderman knocking Wolverine out with a chokeslam is credible writing then you certainly are not using ALL the direct encounters available to you.
Direct encounters between the two have included instances in which Spiderman has slammed Wolverine into a metal wall with his webbing enough to make a crater, and it did not knock Logan out.
They include an instance in which Spiderman repeatedly hit Wolverine in an angry flurry of blows and it did not knock Logan out.
They include Spiderman throwing Wolverine's out of Stark's tower, into a city street, through bullet proof windows, and it did not knock Logan out.
They include an instance in which Spiderman battered Wolverine with (and I quote) "everything" he had, and it did not knock Logan out.
So even ignoring your bitching about the Hulk stuff, we know for a fact that Spiderman has failed to knock Wolverine out while using everything he had, against a Wolverine with a HF that was insanely weaker than it's presented today. We know that in any of their other encounters, Spidey's blows have not even given Wolverine pause for thought. And we know that if anything, Spiderman is written up to fight Wolverine and his skeleton when we've seen how he deals with Adamantium bones in one of his villains.

Spider-man knocking Logan out with a mere chokeslam is PIS and I could cite a hundred different examples to demonstrate why, the fact that you may actually *need* that direction definitely exemplifies the stupidity dictated by the rest of your post.

I'm not sure how an encounter with Spiderman who is being used by someone else' intellect on top of cheap shotting Logan, on top of him apparently written to hold back, on top of his healing factor being written down is a "fair and square" assessment of a fight between the two, but considering the whole of your nonsense, I'm not surprised.

jinzin, if spiderman wanted to, he could rip logan's trachea straight out of his throat or just slam a car on logan and trap him underneath

with any sort of environment, spidey has the upperhand

Originally posted by Starscream M
jinzin, if spiderman wanted to, he could rip logan's trachea straight out of his throat or just slam a car on logan and trap him underneath

with any sort of environment, spidey has the upperhand

Are we under the assumption that Wolverine is sitting there letting Spiderman rip his trachea out?

In any case, none of what you said has anything to do with what I'm discussing. Spiderman chokeslamming Wolverine to a 1 hit KO is PIS anyway you want to look at it, and it isn't the representation of what is likely to happen 10/10.

In response to your post. "If wolverine wanted to, he could cut, behead, disarm Spiderman the moment Spidey came into melee range trying to fight Wolverine in cqc.

With any sort of environment, Wolverine goes stealth and Spidey will eventually be tagged as shown over and over and over again. Wolverine has the upperhand.

See? I can make a nonsensical post that has nothing to do with the forum fight, existing evidence, and is entirely under the premise of my subjection too. 😕

If Wolverine wanted to he could rip Peter's tachea straight out of his throat... and his more likely to do it... and unlike your senario it would actually end the fight.

I'm curious, what do you imagine Wolverine is doing while Spider-man chases him with a car while the Benny Hill chase music loops in the back ground.

😂 I could see it!

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If Wolverine wanted to he could rip Peter's tachea straight out of his throat... and his more likely to do it... and unlike your senario it would actually end the fight.

I'm curious, what do you imagine Wolverine is doing while Spider-man chases him with a car while the Benny Hill chase music loops in the back ground.

and while logan struggles to get free of the webbing, spiderman lifts a car and slams it on top of logan

this is both feasible and likely in a forum fight

Originally posted by jinzin
Are we under the assumption that Wolverine is sitting there letting Spiderman rip his trachea out?

We're under the assumption Spidey holds enough of a speed advantage over Wolverine, where ripping out his trachea is at least an option, if not a sure thing, while for Spidey's much more likely to avoid any such attempt.. ("But Wolverine got SpiderOct in a stranglehold!" Yeah, that's PIS.. Pure PIS.)

Originally posted by cdtm
We're under the assumption Spidey holds enough of a speed advantage over Wolverine, where ripping out his trachea is at least an option, if not a sure thing, while for Spidey's much more likely to avoid any such attempt.. ("But Wolverine got SpiderOct in a stranglehold!" Yeah, that's PIS.. Pure PIS.)

Then you've assumed wrong because the difference in speed between the two is negligible.

Wolverine is more than strong enough to restrain Spider-man using the proper application of leverage and knowledge of human anatomy. That said it was the threat of the claws that kept Oct in line, not Wolverine's weak ass hold.