Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by EvilCap America
Ahem

1 Can wolverine dodge bullets?Does he have the speed to do that?With that kind of speed he can hit Spidey and beat him.Apparently according to Marvel normal humans dont dodge bullets so therefore Wolverine doesnt have that kind of speed being he is in human limits in that area.if he DOES it a product of writers allowing him to do something he shouldnt[CapA is usually more guilty of this than him though]

ahem nothin.... human beings dodge bullets all the freakin time in comic books...everybody knows this...apparently "according to marvel" you're nothing but completely and utterly wrong again....wolverine can (and has for that matter and plenty of times at that) dodge bullets. so can cap, so can taskmaster, so can dd, so can bullseyes, so can punisher....now I told you to come back when you had a good argument...this hardly qualifies (scoff).......and now you just proved you know either little or nothing of the character you're attempting....and I'll emphasize ATTEMPTING to debate against.....otherwise you would know that wolverine has definitely dodged his fair share of bullets. according to your logic: spiderman isn't faster than a bullet so he shouldn't be dodging them either...bad bad arguement on your behalf...bad.

Originally posted by EvilCap America
2 Spiderman has shown speed that can dodge Lightning and on average is too fast for any gun to hit.According to that he should >Wolverine in speed too far for him to compensate.Ive seen Spidey written up and down the spectrum from being hit by normal humans sometimes beatting a Herald of Galactus another.If Spidey is hit by normal humans hes been written down no different from thor being unable to pick up a vending machine or Wolverine not being unable to heal a papercut

Wolverine has shown speed to catch a light speed character...and on average can dodge bullets and lazers just as easily as spiderman when he's actually trying...funny thing though...he doesn't need to dodge bullets so why would he? and sometimes beating a herold of galactus? you mean once....with tons of luck and circumstances on his side. Thor nor wolverine have ever suffered from those afflictions...and marvel's had spiderman get hit by street speed leveled characters hundreds of times...literally hundreds...obviously marvel's consented that spiderman isn't infaulable nor instantanious in movement....and is obviously capible of being not only hit...but knocked the **** out by normal humans.....😂

Originally posted by EvilCap America
3 I dont really care about who beat who id rather point out flaws in writers stories that make improbable things happen.Ive seen Wolverine KOed by a variety of lesser opponents than Spidey many in the normal human lv and other times hes shrugged off attacks that should hurt the Thing[Like a punch from Namor].

of course you would rather argue against the writing....cause obviously marvel writers are so flawed to have had wolverine beat spiderman on several different occasions....much less x23 on one.....but hey you've seen wolverine get KOed by said guys on a regular basis? what wolverine comics have you been reading? care to point out any examples of weaker characters KOing him that aren't dealing with incredible amounts of circumstances (physical injury, drugged) against wolverine's favor? In other words please feel free to list all the straight up KOs you've seen wolvie go down to against weaker opponents.....besides...wolverine's farrrrrrrr more consistant in keeping completely concious in his fights with the hulk then getting knocked out....but yeah I'm sure spidey's got a chance. 🙄 oh yes that's right consistancy doesn't matter to you (i.e. wolverine 4 spiderman 1)

Originally posted by EvilCap America
So what IS Wolverines average?Is he faster than Machine gun fire and able to shrug off attacks by namor?Or is he a normal human level in speed and can be punched out by the likes of Electra or Deadpool?

Whats Spideys average?Can he really dodge Machine gun fire or is he a slightly acrobatic guy that sticks to walls and has no signifcant advantages over say Daredevil?

wolverine's obviously not faster than a bullet (he'll lose in a foot race)...but fast enough to dodge them.... and he should be able to shrug off namor's attacks if he does the same with the hulk....(granted he should at least go a lil airborne but he should be fine all the same).
And again please feel free to cite specific examples of said feats against wolverine.....
no one ever said spiderman didn't have advantages over daredevil........just that daredevil obviously knows how to give spiderman a run for his money.....

Originally posted by EvilCap America
Once we know exactly what we are dealing with here maybe we can put this argument to rest

see this is the thing though....what exaclty are we supposed to debate here....what is left TO debate? EVERY LAST DAMNED THING that makes these characters who and what they are has been stripped away because of a certain amount of people who simply suffer from an unwillingness to just accept what's been given to us in an escapist reality, and decide that things shouldn't be how they are represented but how they THINK they SHOULD be represented..... We can't use feats (though this is what I debate by) because people all too often discard them due to inconsistancies and bad writing.... we can't use stats because not only does one side not include contributing factors/and all statistics to the other sides character, but stats are just downright unreliable sometimes...(i.e. sabretooth who was classified as a just above peak human level character until the later half of a couple years ago....the guy KOed rogue in 3 hits for craps sake!)... we can't use powers....because people always forget or neglect that the powers don't make the man....sometimes it's knowing how to use them that counts.....we can't use real world logic because....well....we've been there...and been there...and been there....IT SIMPLY DOES NOT APPLY HERE. We can't use common sense.....no actual reason...we're simply all just incapible of it at this point (i.e. who's better hung argument)..........so what are we left with? just two guys in spandex suits with pretty colors....wooptedo!................... this sucks...... 😒:

and your post was kinda funny I guess...but they closed down my fanclub....I'm not in the giglling mood....

Originally posted by jinzin
ahem nothin.... human beings dodge bullets all the freakin time in comic books...everybody knows this...apparently "according to marvel" you're nothing but completely and utterly wrong again....wolverine can (and has for that matter and plenty of times at that) dodge bullets. so can cap, so can taskmaster, so can dd, so can bullseyes, so can punisher....now I told you to come back when you had a good argument...this hardly qualifies (scoff).......and now you just proved you know either little or nothing of the character you're attempting....and I'll emphasize ATTEMPTING to debate against.....otherwise you would know that wolverine has definitely dodged his fair share of bullets. according to your logic: spiderman isn't faster than a bullet so he shouldn't be dodging them either...bad bad arguement on your behalf...bad.

Ok check so Wolverine is in normal human limits but normal human limits arent the same as the real world.In MU humans can dodge bullets not as a plot device or because CapA and killing him woudl royally F up the story its done because have speed beyond that of Real World bullets

Wolverine has shown speed to catch a light speed character...and on average can dodge bullets and lazers just as easily as spiderman when he's actually trying...funny thing though...he doesn't need to dodge bullets so why would he? and sometimes beating a herold of galactus? you mean once....with tons of luck and circumstances on his side. Thor nor wolverine have ever suffered from those afflictions...and marvel's had spiderman get hit by street speed leveled characters hundreds of times...literally hundreds...obviously marvel's consented that spiderman isn't infaulable nor instantanious in movement....and is obviously capible of being not only hit...but knocked the **** out by normal humans.....😂

Allright thanks Wolverine is fast enough to hit Light speed characters.This means he can keep up with and defeat the Flashes in DC.This means he has a HUGE speed advantage ver Spiderman and can basically run circles around him

of course you would rather argue against the writing....cause obviously marvel writers are so flawed to have had wolverine beat spiderman on several different occasions....much less x23 on one.....but hey you've seen wolverine get KOed by said guys on a regular basis? what wolverine comics have you been reading? care to point out any examples of weaker characters KOing him that aren't dealing with incredible amounts of circumstances (physical injury, drugged) against wolverine's favor? In other words please feel free to list all the straight up KOs you've seen wolvie go down to against weaker opponents.....besides...wolverine's farrrrrrrr more consistant in keeping completely concious in his fights with the hulk then getting knocked out....but yeah I'm sure spidey's got a chance. 🙄 oh yes that's right consistancy doesn't matter to you (i.e. wolverine 4 spiderman 1)

Right i was delusional when i saw Wolverine KOed by Punisher and Deadpool because obviously if Hulk the strongest phsycial being in MU cant hurt him no way any of those guys could.The multiple times ive seen him on his back in early X-comics by guys like Vindicator or Nimrod must not have ever been writen either

wolverine's obviously not faster than a bullet (he'll lose in a foot race)...but fast enough to dodge them.... and he should be able to shrug off namor's attacks if he does the same with the hulk....(granted he should at least go a lil airborne but he should be fine all the same).
And again please feel free to cite specific examples of said feats against wolverine.....
no one ever said spiderman didn't have advantages over daredevil........just that daredevil obviously knows how to give spiderman a run for his money.....

Ok Wolverine is physically more resistant to damage than the Thing hits from guys like Ironman Namor She-Hulk etc cant affect him

see this is the thing though....what exaclty are we supposed to debate here....what is left TO debate? EVERY LAST DAMNED THING that makes these characters who and what they are has been stripped away because of a certain amount of people who simply suffer from an unwillingness to just accept what's been given to us in an escapist reality, and decide that things shouldn't be how they are represented but how they THINK they SHOULD be represented..... We can't use feats (though this is what I debate by) because people all too often discard them due to inconsistancies and bad writing.... we can't use stats because not only does one side not include contributing factors/and all statistics to the other sides character, but stats are just downright unreliable sometimes...(i.e. sabretooth who was classified as a just above peak human level character until the later half of a couple years ago....the guy KOed rogue in 3 hits for craps sake!)... we can't use powers....because people always forget or neglect that the powers don't make the man....sometimes it's knowing how to use them that counts.....we can't use real world logic because....well....we've been there...and been there...and been there....IT SIMPLY DOES NOT APPLY HERE. We can't use common sense.....no actual reason...we're simply all just incapible of it at this point (i.e. who's better hung argument)..........so what are we left with? just two guys in spandex suits with pretty colors....wooptedo!................... this sucks...... 😒:

Ypur right common sense doesnt apply since Wolverine has went from a normal human with unbreakable bones and a great healing factor to a FTL Top tier superbeing that cant even be hurt the strongest beings in the MU such as the Hulk.Anytime he actually is hurt can safely ignored as never happening

and your post was kinda funny I guess...but they closed down my fanclub....I'm not in the giglling mood....

Originally posted by EvilCap America
Ok check so Wolverine is in normal human limits but normal human limits arent the same as the real world.In MU humans can dodge bullets not as a plot device or because CapA and killing him woudl royally F up the story its done because have speed beyond that of Real World bullets

aside from wolverine's skeleton and mutant abilities I'm quoting s rank on this one....everything he does is clearly beyond the limits of human capabilities but he loses because he's human? I don't follow that logic....and again they are not real world bullets...there is a difference between being faster than a bullet and being able to dodge bullets....please tell me i don't have to explain this to you as well.... 🙄 really.....

Originally posted by EvilCap America
Allright thanks Wolverine is fast enough to hit Light speed characters.This means he can keep up with and defeat the Flashes in DC.This means he has a HUGE speed advantage ver Spiderman and can basically run circles around him

you literallly implied spiderman was faster than lightning (not the guy that wields it or conjures it) but the lighting itself.....I'm simply fighting fire with fire...you've seen him do that...I've seen him do this.....

Originally posted by EvilCap America
Right i was delusional when i saw Wolverine KOed by Punisher and Deadpool because obviously if Hulk the strongest phsycial being in MU cant hurt him no way any of those guys could.The multiple times ive seen him on his back in early X-comics by guys like Vindicator or Nimrod must not have ever been writen either

again you're contradicting your own argument...either you want to use comic book feats to support yourself or you don't. if you do...wolverine has beaten spiderman's ass 3 times and could have killed him 4.......how them apples taste?

anyways....when has punisher KOed logan without guns, grenades, gas, etc? when has deapool done it when wolverine's healing factor was actually working WITHOUT using enough tranqs to down a t-rex? give references....unless you have none that is.....

again....we've already come up with theories explaining why wolverine used to get KOed and doesn't now...theories that deviate from the common fanboy nonsense and actually make sense according to wolvies abilities...but again...wolverine's shown much more times than not to stand up to characters in class 50 to 100 leagues and just shrug off blows...why all the sudden as spiderman gotten a power boost and wolverine lost his powers? pfffffft....

Originally posted by EvilCap America
Ok Wolverine is physically more resistant to damage than the Thing hits from guys like Ironman Namor She-Hulk etc cant affect him"

Iron man can try and punch his lights out...thing only did it when wolverine was already physically messed up...all other scenarios...nope...she-hulk...well HE-hulk can't do it..why would she?....namor? well...obviously (new invaders 6 since you want to use feats again 😄)

Originally posted by EvilCap America
Ypur right common sense doesnt apply since Wolverine has went from a normal human with unbreakable bones and a great healing factor to a FTL Top tier superbeing that cant even be hurt the strongest beings in the MU such as the Hulk.

cause so much common sense applies to spidey..."I know!!!! radiation equates to SUPER POWERS!!!! 😱" pfffft......

Originally posted by EvilCap America
Anytime he actually is hurt can safely ignored as never happening

oh you mean like the three times wolverine's kicked spiderman's ass? 😱

one more thing:............................

"When someone argues that they have seen evidence of something but that the evidence doesn't count because that character "shouldn't be able to do that" they need to re-think the premise of thier conclusion. A characters abilities are based on what he or she demonstrates he or she can do, not on what someone thought they could do at one time."

You almsot sound as if your attacking me but im totally 100% won over by your arguments

Wolverines advantages

Super-speed.Hes much faster than Spidey.He can accomplissh routine tasks like dodgeing bullets like any normal human in the MU can but he can do more impressive things such as hitting FTL speed characters.Spidey cant HOPE to compete with that speed when his most impressive tasks are simple things that any human can pull off

Durability.Wolverine can absorb attacks from the strongest beings in the universe.Upper tiers like Ironman She-Hulk Thing etc are ineffective and even guys like Thor Thanos Hulk Gladiator etc cant take him down.

Yeah in retrosepct Wolverine wins this battle easy.Give all your great arguments i cant think of a single thing in the MU that can hurt him let alone take him down

Ironman?Not a cance what could do that could cause any lasting damage?
Hulk?Cant even hurt Wolve.Given an all outfight im sure he wouldf be cut to ribbons
Thor?Isnt even as strong as Hulk so he loses
Galactus?This would finally be a good fight.Neither of them can be hurt by the peak level heroes at all so maybe Wolvie could finally get the match-up he deserves

Yes wolverine can very well dodge bullets, and even batman can, but he's not on the dodge level of spiderman, because even with superior speed, spidey has precog, and dodges naturally, instinctively.

My whole thing isn't crap writing, it's more of PIS orCIS. If it entertained many more people than it didn't than it wasn't bad writing right? But if you asked me to draw a sleek, fast car with rims, and yellow exterior, but I drew you a large, topheavy van, with hubcaps, you'd know something was wrong right. thats all I'm trying to get at.

This post was in response to a Creshosk post....

Fanboys don't back up anything they say for the most part and are usually spouting complete and utter nonsense. No offense intended but Wolverine 8888888 is a perfect example. ( And I truly believe he was joking.) Calling someone a fanatic despite the fact that they are attemting an explanation (even if flawed logic is used) does give one the impression that your emotions are involved and that you are the one who is fanatical. That is likely untrue but that is why I stated earlier that jinzin was doing a better job of making his points. By refraining from calling people names he has shown a higher level of confidence in what he believes to be true.

I believe the old saying is that " It takes one to know one" and you have called EVERY spidey supporter a fanboy at least once.

I'm going to figure out how to post the many pictures that I'm sure you're already aware of to show Spider-man's webbing holding much stronger characters than wolverine and hardening fast enough to stop speeding vehicles that are moving faster than wolverine could possibly move.

I still won't do any of the wolverine supporters fanboys because marvel has provided you with many instances where Wolverine has done things that are completely unexplained.

However, there are so many descrepencies in his character that it is impossible not to notice. This is what many of the Spidey fans are trying to point out.

The difference between us is that I would never say that Spidey can beat Firelord in this forum based on their previous fight. He does have a 100% KO average for beating firelord doesn't he? If it wasn't a dramatic tale Firelord would have incinerated the city.

I'm honest with myself about what Spiderman could and couldn't do based on what he can and can't do.

I know Spider-man well
I know Wolverine well

Wolverine CAN beat spider-man but not unless something about each character is altered or Wolverine gets lucky. The former is usually the case in the comics as Wolverine WILL hang with EVERYONE more powerful than him and by using strength very similar to Cap's (his strength has been classified as Superhuman since Marvel Universe.)

Spider-man WILL hang with characters far more powerful than him as well, but how many POWERS does he have to do that? LOTS ( I won't list them again)

Wolverine has a healing factor and feral attributes.

The training, experience, and unbreakable bones have to be combined with some very creative writing and an alteration of Spider-mans character for him to win HERE. Oh yeah don't forget to add luck. And marvel's inability to be consistent about ANY character.

Wolverine at his strongest is NOT what you WANT him to be, he is at his strongest, period. The same thing for Spider-man.

What you are refusing to accept is that WE ALL have to determine what that means as BOTH characters have been shown doing things that surpass their best efforts. They have BOTH been shown with their abilities far below the norm to create suspense.

It should be obvious that Wolverine is far weaker and his abilities' are exxagerated (in the comics) to compensate. (Remember Namor?)

Spider-man is far stronger so his abilities are undermined SO that weaker characters CAN compensate. (Remember OX ?)
AND his character is written to hold back.

Most non-comic readers will tell you that Wolverine is STRONGER than Spidey. Please tell me that I'm not debating with people who are anywhere near that unaware of WHAT Spider-man is CAPABLE of !!!

If they're fighting in civilization ( and that's probably most likely ) Spider-man webs Wolverine and slings him into something that's high voltage. Knock Out.

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Either this post was missed or nobody can rebut it. ( I'm guessing it was missed)

If nobody rebuts I'll consider this a conclusion.

you know this can't happen it most go on and on like a soap opera.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
you know this can't happen it most go on and on like a soap opera.

You aint never lied! 😆

But I wonder if anyone will snap at the bait. 😈

Yeah in retrosepct Wolverine wins this battle easy.Give all your great arguments i cant think of a single thing in the MU that can hurt him let alone take him down

Ironman?Not a cance what could do that could cause any lasting damage?
Hulk?Cant even hurt Wolve.Given an all outfight im sure he wouldf be cut to ribbons
Thor?Isnt even as strong as Hulk so he loses
Galactus?This would finally be a good fight.Neither of them can be hurt by the peak level heroes at all so maybe Wolvie could finally get the match-up he deserves

Hold him down and suffocate him.

Punching Wolverine does nothing because of the adamantium skeleton. His bones cannot be crushed or snapped or affected in any other way. Any bruising or rupturing to organs can be healed.

Stabbing him is more effective, but still does little; the wound can heal up.

So we're left with two things: vaporize him or suffocate/drown him. If you can get past the claws, it wouldn't be too hard to kill Wolverine if you knew what you were doing and had the sufficient strength. That being said, Logan can be injured and can be beaten. He'll just come back fast is all.

absolutely, though even though his skull is indestructible he still feels some concussive force however, and he doesn't regenerate lost organs and such. so the stomach is doable, nor does he regenerate lost brain cells, so suffocation would work

I like debating with you, you use intelligence and put thought into your posts. like I do sometimes, when I haven't been posting all day against multiple people.

see the difference between your fielord example and the multiple wolverine examples....are HUGE.....spiderman needed help to down firelord and lots of it came in the form of circumstance.... We all know that spiderman can't beat firelord straight up...but for the fight in question it's not entirely to hard to believe considering what actually happened during the fight....the thing is....spiderman has not given wolverine any handicaps to work with, no underestimation, no explosions, etc etc...and wolverine consistantly kicks spiderman around.....Like I asked before...WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DEBATE WITH....everything that makes the characters who they are has been stripped away because of peoples unwillingness to accept how these characters have been represented....
Wolverine has been a character that's been given to us as one who can stand up to the hulk and give him a good run for his money even beat him from time to time...the hulk is a guy who takes on entire teams full of people...one time he threw down with the avengers, spidey, and the ff at the same time and held his own....why is it so unbelievable that a character who made his 1st appearance as a hulk villain would be such a tough guy for other people to beat?

was the namor thing ridiculous? kinda.....I mean I understand the part in which people are saying wolverine should have at least moved from the punches....but would the end result have been the same? most likely yes. Is namor stronger than Hulk? no...is he more durable? no....would wolverine be able to stab him? yes....and that's exactly what was showcased....yes marvel went about doing it in an unconvincing way but the end result was the same.....now there (i'm sure) are going to be plenty of people who disagree with my conclusion there...and that only further supports cresh's argument from earlier in that bad writing pis/cis is entirely contingent on the person judging the material....don't get me wrong if Hulk hits someone like jubilee with an "everything I've got" punch and she walks away from that.....then yes that would be beyong horrible writting to the most horrid of extents...but the material in question here (spiderman vs. spiderman) is nowhere near that extreme...obviously the matter is up for debate seeing how this thread as gone on 104 pages and at least a good portion as some good points from both sides...so if the subject isn't so ridiculous that it's lasted this long without becoming a "joke thread", and marvel as consented to spiderman being both beaten in comics and in stats by wolvie why can't you?

anyways....again spiderman's strength is a no-factor....nothing he does can inflict serious damage on logan....can he hurt him? yes...wolverine's bones and healling ability doesn't cancel out pain but according to wolverine "pain's an old friend" of his...spiderman doesn't hit harder than hulk he doesn't hit harder than rough-house, he doesn't hit harder than thing, etc...his strength is a non-factor, it's as simple as that...

his speed will help at first but again due to fatigue and such....any slight advantage he has won't last long.

his spidersense is contingent on his advantage in speed...hence when he slows down his spider sense matters less and less....wolverine sustains his speed longer....wolverine is fully capible of hitting spiderman.....

agility.....isn't an offensive advantage. his agility may be all that and a bag of chips but it doesn't help him in anyways against wolverine....it does however help him to run away....

intelligence is leveled playing field...parkers smart...but wolverine's just as effective on the battlefield of the mind....

so basically.....again....it comes down to webbing....wolverine can cut through it with ease if he wants......the only way we are even certain that spidey could even hit wolverine anyways is by using comics as references, given references,spiderman can't keep wolverine webbed up if wolvie doesn't want him to....he's gotten out under his own steem on both occasions....
can spiderman try and drown logan...he can try sure..but wolverine beat tigershark (a namor villain) IN THE WATER......before that even happened, tiger shark tried to drown wolvie and left him at the bottem of the sea for 15 minutes...wolverine's odds of being drowned by tigershark are a hell of a lot more than him getting drowned by spiderman....and it... didn't ...happen......

SHIT , that was a lot of typing, this may end up on page 105 lol.

Well the writings great, but it doesn't give you an idea of their exact power, it is the entertainment part, and the world will sacrifice some things for entertainment.

I see it not as bad writing at all, but since this is a hypothetical situation, we are trying to see all the possibilites for a given attempt or tactic. Spidey may not punch him on the face, or get tagged at practice, nor will wolvie stand still or whatever. If there was just writing with no stats, then we would just make things up all day,and never have that '' DICTIONARY'' we call stats, granted all these characters are superheroes, but they are not superhuman. Stats are just the backbone of our research or conclusions that are a reference and keep our thoughts in check. If the hulk broke wolverines claws with ease, or hulk failed to lift spiderman, then we would know something is wrong, because the stats show a rundown of limits and non limits.

Writing is great but is still entertainment and may only be there for the fans wants and of course money. Thats why crossovers arent the best reference🙂Deadpool getting Hulk with a pole for some blood, and the list goes on and on. Who wants to see their favorite hero inevitably lose, when there should be a stalemate or a hangliner stalemate to keep asking questions such as " wolverine vs. spiderman lol"

In the end characters have their oo and aah moments of their time which should never be mentioned again in a logical debate. Spidey vs. Firelord is a valid example of that, as in the READ THIS, by tron and paola, these are insufficient feats on what the characters are based of, and wolverine is one of those characters who got famous, off of insufficient feats.

I hope i answered your question as fully and as best as I could, without being the least bit bias. MAGNIFICENT post and I'm sure I will get another following this, See ya later.

you don't believe everything you read do you

wolverine doesn't drown but faints from this lets me question some of these feats, especially when he's fighting villians.

If Spidey managed to web together Logan's hands enough and dunked his head underwater, he'd win. 😄

if spiderman ever gets wolvie mad, then he wouldnt be able to knock him out because when wolverines adrenaline is up, he heals faster. this happened in the weapon x story. he moved so fast, the soldiers could not even react. he wont stop. spiderman can punch him, but all he gets in return is broken hands. wolverine has healed from machine gun wounds in minutes. he can certainly heal from a concussion

eventually, spiderman will get tagged by logan's swipes

logan has learned all fighting skills. he knows how to fight tied up or blindfolded

wolverine cant recover from lost organs and brain cells period, and he won't survived being web-dunked in the water head first.

Spiderman should be able to fight blindfolded better than wolverine, he would just sense and hop

logans only getting swipes in, and thats the way he'll win

How does wolverine win in his body, spidey's body when switched powers, and cyclops body with switch powers, hmmmmmmmmmm. I think its the icon some want to win and not the character.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
wolverine cant recover from lost organs and brain cells period, and he won't survived being web-dunked in the water head first.

Spiderman should be able to fight blindfolded better than wolverine, he would just sense and hop

logans only getting swipes in, and thats the way he'll win

How does wolverine win in his body, spidey's body when switched powers, and cyclops body with switch powers, hmmmmmmmmmm. I think its the icon some want to win and not the character.

wolverine has gotten an arrow stabbed through his ears and into the brain. he healed from that and is as smart as ever. he regenerates all cells, including brain and nerve cells