Originally posted by Creshosk
Three fights, in each spiderman hit wolverine, in each wolverine stayed consious, in each wolverine was fast enough to give spiderman a hard time.That's consistency, you're a fanboy if you doubt it.
No seriously (hehehe), how do you explain that one time, Wolverine hardly feels a thing when SM punches him with all he's got, and another time, a wounded SM really hurt him with only three or so punches ?
That's a HUGE difference.
I can give LOTS of examples of Wolverine being inconsistently written. Wolverine defenders like to say that his first appearance was in a Hulk comic, but have they actually read it ?
I have, and to say it very very mildly : he was a joke against the Hulk. But t20 years later, he was already trading punches with the green giant. And if I remember correctly, DD dropped Wolverine with one karate kick. And Elektra stabbed him with her knifes, a thing he didn't like 😉.
One day, he's fainting from drinking some poisoned tea (not that poisonous, because the other X-Men drank it too), or gets beat up by an old man with a wooden sword, the other day Namor hits him in the face and he doesn't move.
Consistency my ass.
Originally posted by Creshosk
No I don't think you get it fanboy,there has been a 100% consistency in their three fights. To call any of them PIS/CIS is to designate yourself as a fanboy.
"I don't like it so it didn't happen" And it didn't hapen THREE times, man THREE times. That's more times than ANY of your examples of PIS/CIS.
"Wolverine's inconsistant so we use him at his weakest spiderman at his strongest."
If you can't see how that reasoning is fanboyism you're beyond help fanboy.
You're making a strawman argument.
"Oh well I'll show extreme examples of dramatic writing, that have extremuating circumstances, so that I can brush off these less extreme more consistant examples that I don't like because it doesn't show the character they way I think he should be uh hyuk"
Howmany times did you examples happen? once each?
How many times did wolverine and spiderman fight with 100% consistency. three times.
Fanboys don't back up anything they say for the most part and are usually spouting complete and utter nonsense. No offense intended but Wolverine 8888888 is a perfect example. ( And I truly believe he was joking.) Calling someone a fanatic despite the fact that they are attemting an explanation (even if flawed logic is used) does give one the impression that your emotions are involved and that you are the one who is fanatical. That is likely untrue but that is why I stated earlier that jinzin was doing a better job of making his points. By refraining from calling people names he has shown a higher level of confidence in what he believes to be true.
I believe the old saying is that " It takes one to know one" and you have called EVERY spidey supporter a fanboy at least once.
I'm going to figure out how to post the many pictures that I'm sure you're already aware of to show Spider-man's webbing holding much stronger characters than wolverine and hardening fast enough to stop speeding vehicles that are moving faster than wolverine could possibly move.
I still won't do any of the wolverine supporters fanboys because marvel has provided you with many instances where Wolverine has done things that are completely unexplained.
However, there are so many descrepencies in his character that it is impossible not to notice. This is what many of the Spidey fans are trying to point out.
The difference between us is that I would never say that Spidey can beat Firelord in this forum based on their previous fight. He does have a 100% KO average for beating firelord doesn't he? If it wasn't a dramatic tale Firelord would have incinerated the city.
I'm honest with myself about what Spiderman could and couldn't do based on what he can and can't do.
I know Spider-man well
I know Wolverine well
Wolverine CAN beat spider-man but not unless something about each character is altered or Wolverine gets lucky. The former is usually the case in the comics as Wolverine WILL hang with EVERYONE more powerful than him and by using strength very similar to Cap's (his strength has been classified as Superhuman since Marvel Universe.)
Spider-man WILL hang with characters far more powerful than him as well, but how many POWERS does he have to do that? LOTS ( I won't list them again)
Wolverine has a healing factor and feral attributes.
The training, experience, and unbreakable bones have to be combined with some very creative writing and an alteration of Spider-mans character for him to win HERE. Oh yeah don't forget to add luck. And marvel's inability to be consistent about ANY character.
Wolverine at his strongest is NOT what you WANT him to be, he is at his strongest, period. The same thing for Spider-man.
What you are refusing to accept is that WE ALL have to determine what that means as BOTH characters have been shown doing things that surpass their best efforts. They have BOTH been shown with their abilities far below the norm to create suspense.
It should be obvious that Wolverine is far weaker and his abilities' are exxagerated (in the comics) to compensate. (Remember Namor?)
Spider-man is far stronger so his abilities are undermined SO that weaker characters CAN compensate. (Remember OX ?)
AND his character is written to hold back.
Most non-comic readers will tell you that Wolverine is STRONGER than Spidey. Please tell me that I'm not debating with people who are anywhere near that unaware of WHAT Spider-man is CAPABLE of !!!
If they're fighting in civilization ( and that's probably most likely ) Spider-man webs Wolverine and slings him into something that's high voltage. Knock Out.
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Originally posted by jinzin
whether or not it's garbage is up to debate obviously...the point is that marvel has allowed it to happen on several different occasions...apparently they feel the same way as we do about the scenario...
I was reffering to Doctor Doom being taken out by roller skates. ( I hope that didn't happen on several occasions 😂 )
Originally posted by EvilCap America
1 I dont see Cycs ricoheting the beam enough to hit Spidey hes dodged similar things before.Heck ive seen him dodge a room full of lasers blindfolded routinely dodge automatic fire and Lightning from Electro2 Storm should have beat him in that example as i said.She the team member best fit for that job.Spidey DOES dodge lightning from Electro pretty well but with all her combined ability she could counter spideys speed
3 Rogue wasent there.Heck she wasent even on the team yet.If she was absorbing his energy is the LAST thing she would do and she wouldnt need it being a flyer with superior strength
4 Nightcrawler and Wolvie were non-factors in the fight and rightfully so.They arent fast enough to keep up with him and arent built to take a beatiing from him
5 If you actually DID see the fight [which i doubt since you mentioned Rogue] then you would know that prof X erased the fight from his mind after he left.Much like Wolverines speed and strength dont match up against Spideys his power isnt a factor against the Prof
6 So what your telling me now is in the 2nd paragraph is that Wolverine is on par with Ultron and the Beyonder?Nows who is the raging rabid fanboy?Cutting apart the D class villian Absorbing man is just fine considering he was made of a WEAKER material than Andamantium but then again if this was absorbing man vs Wolvie and he was made of the same stuff that Caps Shield was made of i figure we would still here "Wolverine would cut him becauses more experienced and stronger"
7 If you had bothered to read my last couple posts i was making an appeal for sanity and at least the Slightest attempt to try and differentiate when a character is being written stronger than they normally are.Wolverine doesnt move faster than machine gun fire he CANT hit Spidey bottom line argument over
What i am arguing-"Spiderman is[as recorded] several times faster than Wolverine much to fast for him to hit and his strength and sheer number of hits would be able to do more damage than he could regenerate at once"
What you are arguing-"Wolverine is too strong for Spidey to damage and despite his speed he can still hit him because..........."
See thats what i weant you to make me understand.Of course i KNOW you have no intention of doing that and arent here for a debate your simply trying to push buttons and have people pay attention to you
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or how about how he thinks we shouldn't be using comic book examples....but then contradicts himself by using one...but then contradicts his own actions by discarding others?
or how about the dodging and avoiding of our points? or how about the fact that he tired to make it look like he actually read secret wars and then tried to call me out on it....when he's obviously wrong....I mean hell,,, he's just pulling crap out of his ass....if that's logic....check out this one: I gotta comic where wolverine farts on peter parker and petey dies......cause wolverine's just that bad---ass....
Wolverine-Grr im Da best bub Everyone DIE
Batman-I am god "tasers Wolverin"
Wolverine-Grr bub no-sell dis is my yard "Stabs Bats in the heart"
Batman-Good thing i had a 2nd and 3rd artificual heart installed.Pow "Shoots Wolverine with cruise missles"
Wolverine-"Emerges from a cloud of dust DBZ style"I uhh......regenerated "Slices Bats head off"
Batman-"Comes in from off panel" Good thing i cloned myself earlier"has Bat-Sattelite disentegrate Wolverine"
Wolverine-"Regenerates from a Fanboys memory"BWAHSYFFNMTAZMAD"Slashes Bats into dusts"
Batman-"Emerges from a plothole"Ill end this now "Uses Bat-gravity uhh thing to hurl the Sun on Wolverine"
Wolverine-"Catches Sun"GRrr grr grim resolve grim resolve......
It will go on like this forever
Originally posted by jinzin
or how about how he thinks we shouldn't be using comic book examples....but then contradicts himself by using one...but then contradicts his own actions by discarding others?or how about the dodging and avoiding of our points? or how about the fact that he tired to make it look like he actually read secret wars and then tried to call me out on it....when he's obviously wrong....I mean hell,,, he's just pulling crap out of his ass....if that's logic....check out this one: I gotta comic where wolverine farts on peter parker and petey dies......cause wolverine's just that bad---ass....
Problem.I was wrong read Secret Wars a long time ago and left details out.Rogue being there at all was something i COMPELETLY forgot
Difference between me and you.Ill admit i was wrong
evil cap.....what the hell was that? 😕 man that wasn't even an argument.....
anyways...you can admit when you're wrong....well when your always wrong that's gonna be a task....good luck to ya...... you seemed pretty damned sure of yourself though...don't freakin try and call me out on shit when you clearly don't know what's going on.....
sure I'll admit when I'm wrong......I'm just not wrong all that often...
Ahem
1 Can wolverine dodge bullets?Does he have the speed to do that?With that kind of speed he can hit Spidey and beat him.Apparently according to Marvel normal humans dont dodge bullets so therefore Wolverine doesnt have that kind of speed being he is in human limits in that area.if he DOES it a product of writers allowing him to do something he shouldnt[CapA is usually more guilty of this than him though]
2 Spiderman has shown speed that can dodge Lightning and on average is too fast for any gun to hit.According to that he should >Wolverine in speed too far for him to compensate.Ive seen Spidey written up and down the spectrum from being hit by normal humans sometimes beatting a Herald of Galactus another.If Spidey is hit by normal humans hes been written down no different from thor being unable to pick up a vending machine or Wolverine not being unable to heal a papercut
3 I dont really care about who beat who id rather point out flaws in writers stories that make improbable things happen.Ive seen Wolverine KOed by a variety of lesser opponents than Spidey many in the normal human lv and other times hes shrugged off attacks that should hurt the Thing[Like a punch from Namor].
So what IS Wolverines average?Is he faster than Machine gun fire and able to shrug off attacks by namor?Or is he a normal human level in speed and can be punched out by the likes of Electra or Deadpool?
Whats Spideys average?Can he really dodge Machine gun fire or is he a slightly acrobatic guy that sticks to walls and has no signifcant advantages over say Daredevil?
Once we know exactly what we are dealing with here maybe we can put this argument to rest
btw that first post was funny come on that had to get at least a giggle out of you