Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
don't be mean to cresh

"tard" "you lose" seriously, you throw better insults than that C.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I know you are not saying wolverine can touch spiderman on a wall high in the air, you are making up stuff, spidey's way more adept at staying in the air,looks like youre running out of steam. 😛

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
He will wait until spidey's done pounding on his face and, then "hit him
wolverine was hardly in fighting conditions, too bad spidey didn't lower that punch.

Spiderman would wail on Wolverine until he got tired, then when he slowed from getting tired wolverine would have his opening.

That is of course if Spiderman attacks him directly.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
this is sad ,there was a huge kid in my barracks, who benched 750, and he could not knock me back 15 yards,thats .1666666 of a football field, even if i went with the punch. He could not throw me that far.

Remember it hurts more to get hit by that then regular bones.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, I would absorb most of the impact and some would go back, although I would actually take less damage going that far seeing as I didn't take all the impact.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
For a backbone to any questioning abilities.

Just so we're all on the same page...

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/w/wolverine.html

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/s/spiderman.html

Originally posted by Creshosk
No I don't think you get it fanboy,

there has been a 100% consistency in their three fights. To call any of them PIS/CIS is to designate yourself as a fanboy.

"I don't like it so it didn't happen" And it didn't hapen THREE times, man THREE times. That's more times than ANY of your examples of PIS/CIS.

"Wolverine's inconsistant so we use him at his weakest spiderman at his strongest."

If you can't see how that reasoning is fanboyism you're beyond help fanboy.

You're making a strawman argument.

"Oh well I'll show extreme examples of dramatic writing, that have extremuating circumstances, so that I can brush off these less extreme more consistant examples that I don't like because it doesn't show the character they way I think he should be uh hyuk"

Howmany times did you examples happen? once each?

How many times did wolverine and spiderman fight with 100% consistency. three times.

100% consistancy?Your insane if you belive

1 Wolverine is a normal human in speed agility and strength.He isnt fast enough to hit Spidey nor is he strong enough to take hits although he is likely to survive and heal up eventually.Fact anything else is made up garbage

2 Spiderman taking on the X-Men and beatting them wasent well written either.Spidey can handle Wolverine[Too fast and strong] Nightcrawler[Agian speed/strength too much] Cycliops [Can avoid his beams and speed/strength advantage] wouldnt be able to do more than slow or stall Collossus[Not strong enough but obviously MUCH faster] and Storm should have been able to conjure up SOMETHING to keep him from making them all look like fools [Mains sticking point with the entire fight].Storm was underwritten in that fight but about everything else stood about right.

3 Now if im willing to look at THAT objectively and admit Storm should have made it a quick fight[Tornado conjured as he landed lightning strikes etc] and he couldnt have done much to Colossus besides stall why not accknowledge to everyone else that Wolverine is just a normal human who has been beatten by the likes of Electra Daredevil deadpool CapA etc and isnt ideally suited to fight somebody like Spiderman?

No I wasn't arguing pain but more of distance, i already said if you went with the blow then you would take less pain.

Yes he does need to not get impatient, I've thrown insulsts but he's on post 3 on this thread, I've showed TOO much patience and tenacity,on many threads even if i was battling the odds, that noone can deny even if my "logic is bad or this or that" Ill talk to him.

You have to believe the culmulative concussive forces of these hits, would do more than keep wolvie waiting he recovers fast , but not THAT Fast, strength don't work on wolvie to well, but spidey is all about other methods, not to say wolvie would get himself in such a position........

Yes wolvie can climb walls but not scale, in other words, it would be a poor way for wolvie to escape someone thats all.

I see what you are saying on the insults, you "tard", although at first I thought he was saying "tard" spidey because there was no comma.

On another note i really should apologize for the name calling.It was not needed and is irrelavent to the debate

Originally posted by EvilCap America
100% consistancy?Your insane if you belive

That's consistency, you're a fanboy if you doubt it.

Originally posted by EvilCap America
1 Wolverine is a normal human in speed agility and strength.He isnt fast enough to hit Spidey nor is he strong enough to take hits although he is likely to survive and heal up eventually.Fact anything else is made up garbage

Originally posted by EvilCap America
2 Spiderman taking on the X-Men and beatting them wasent well written either.Spidey can handle Wolverine[Too fast and strong] Nightcrawler[Agian speed/strength too much] Cycliops [Can avoid his beams and speed/strength advantage] wouldnt be able to do more than slow or stall Collossus[Not strong enough but obviously MUCH faster] and Storm should have been able to conjure up SOMETHING to keep him from making them all look like fools [Mains sticking point with the entire fight].Storm was underwritten in that fight but about everything else stood about right.

Originally posted by EvilCap America
3 Now if im willing to look at THAT objectively and admit Storm should have made it a quick fight[Tornado conjured as he landed lightning strikes etc] and he couldnt have done much to Colossus besides stall why not accknowledge to everyone else that Wolverine is just a normal human who has been beatten by the likes of Electra Daredevil deadpool CapA etc and isnt ideally suited to fight somebody like Spiderman?

And DD beat Spiderman too if you want to bring stuff up.

Good that you shown maturity.

But seriously if you think this is something you've seen nothing yet, imagine dealing with Merc in the Day, Cresh in the afternoon, and Jinzin at night, who all think I suck, but love responding to me 😛 , then you may want to visit a less popular forum. but I understand you got annoyed, because Cresh is quite the counter pointer, aren't you?

Nooooooooo look at those links wide spidey is much faster with super metabolism.

There is a simple reason for these stalemates.

If I were a comic writer, which I am, between marvels 2 biggest, would I let either get soundly defeated, especially in one match? Why not drag it out for more questons. "called suspense"

Do I want Spidey to win? He has lost more, and it would not affect his image as much.

Do I want a one-sided fight? I want characters to duke it out,and last longer than they should, its okay if they get unreasonable hits, and see flash's comics last longer than three panels long. lol

Spidey has what it takes to make this short. Lets make him fight in close, unlike how he usually does, but give logan the claws and all.

etc.etc.etc.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Three fights, in each spiderman hit wolverine, in each wolverine stayed consious, in each wolverine was fast enough to give spiderman a hard time.

That's consistency, you're a fanboy if you doubt it.

You disagree with marvel then. Because Wolverine is fast enough to give spiderman problems.
Wolverine's adamantium and healing factor can take spiderman's abuse.

And that case is not these three cases now is it? Drop the red herring.

Again a red herirng, DD deadpool and CApnA are not spiderman.

And DD beat Spiderman too if you want to bring stuff up.

Lets see in their first fight Wolverine was unable to tocuh Spiderman couldnt keep up with his speed and was virtually ignored as a non-threat that he could knock away at ANY time and this was with the support of 4 other super-beings vs 1 Spidey.In the end Wolverine is holding his head complaining about how they were made look like Rookies.Spiderman won big

In the late-80s Wolverine a guy that can be knocked out by normal humans can suddenl absorb several hits from Spidey gets called "The toughest and fastest guy" he ever fougth despite having the speed/strength advantage and having fought people much stronger/faster than himself like Veonom Scorpion Firelord etc[plothole no?] is still is downed by the end of the fight and even states that Spidey could have just killed him if he wanted too.Spidey wins with an argument for a draw possible if you ignore plotholes and the whole "flat on his back talking about how he would lose" thing

Then umm.....this 3rd fight happens which i havent seen.If i take your word for it and Wolverine gaiend speed faster than automatic gunfire then i guess he might have won and is 1/3 against him

DD lost to a hypnotised no time worth fighter.

How is Wolverine going to beat Spiderman when someone like Marrow gives him a hard time. 🙂

Wolverine wins after a long fight.

cap dude...just admit it you are completely and utterly wrong here...you're debating PIS/CIS but choose to use the secret wars example...scott could have rickocheted his beam in a hundred different directions at the same time to capture and nail spiderman without hurting his team....rogue should have nailed spiderman with a flying punch before he could have even reacted, or simply grabbed him and suked his energy away....nightcrawler should have been able to teleport out of webbing....storm BY HERSELF should have simply and utterly waisted spiderman...proffesor x? well that "fight" should have basically been over as soon as proffesor x saw him.....

please...trying to talk about inconsistancy, or bad writing as a defense against our arguments and then pulling up the example of secret wars is just a horrible horrible contradiction on your part...either you believe that we shouldn't be using comic book examples because of bad writing etc....or you don't.....you can't have it both ways...I know bad writing exists...but I'll never use it as an excuse plain and simple....but if you insist to use comic book examples, like cresh said.....spidey's got his ass kicked by wolverine 3 times..3! four if you count the mcfarlane debacle......compared to spiderman's ONE decent showing against wolverine and the x-men in a classic example of a NON FIGHT...it simply just doesn't add up a victory for spiderman......sorry if you think secret wars is the gospel...but I will remind you, in secret wars wolverine.....literally ran through absorbing man like he wasn't even there, almost killed beyonder, and was going toe to toe with ultron BY HIMSELF, the difference between that and the spiderman examples you ask? well in the other examples he was actually trying to inflict damage on the other guys.....ultron>spidey.....if you think otherwise you truley ARE a fanboy end of story....

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
DD lost to a hypnotised no time worth fighter.

Which makes sense since Spidey probably wasn't giving off the signals that DD usually uses to sense a coming attack.

on the other hand...

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh spidey's DOWN!

Originally posted by jinzin
cap dude...just admit it you are completely and utterly wrong here...you're debating PIS/CIS but choose to use the secret wars example...scott could have rickocheted his beam in a hundred different directions at the same time to capture and nail spiderman without hurting his team....rogue should have nailed spiderman with a flying punch before he could have even reacted, or simply grabbed him and suked his energy away....nightcrawler should have been able to teleport out of webbing....storm BY HERSELF should have simply and utterly waisted spiderman...proffesor x? well that "fight" should have basically been over as soon as proffesor x saw him.....

please...trying to talk about inconsistancy, or bad writing as a defense against our arguments and then pulling up the example of secret wars is just a horrible horrible contradiction on your part...either you believe that we shouldn't be using comic book examples because of bad writing etc....or you don't.....you can't have it both ways...I know bad writing exists...but I'll never use it as an excuse plain and simple....but if you insist to use comic book examples, like cresh said.....spidey's got his ass kicked by wolverine 3 times..3! four if you count the mcfarlane debacle......compared to spiderman's ONE decent showing against wolverine and the x-men in a classic example of a NON FIGHT...it simply just doesn't add up a victory for spiderman......sorry if you think secret wars is the gospel...but I will remind you, in secret wars wolverine.....literally ran through absorbing man like he wasn't even there, almost killed beyonder, and was going toe to toe with ultron BY HIMSELF, the difference between that and the spiderman examples you ask? well in the other examples he was actually trying to inflict damage on the other guys.....ultron>spidey.....if you think otherwise you truley ARE a fanboy end of story....

1 I dont see Cycs ricoheting the beam enough to hit Spidey hes dodged similar things before.Heck ive seen him dodge a room full of lasers blindfolded routinely dodge automatic fire and Lightning from Electro

2 Storm should have beat him in that example as i said.She the team member best fit for that job.Spidey DOES dodge lightning from Electro pretty well but with all her combined ability she could counter spideys speed

3 Rogue wasent there.Heck she wasent even on the team yet.If she was absorbing his energy is the LAST thing she would do and she wouldnt need it being a flyer with superior strength

4 Nightcrawler and Wolvie were non-factors in the fight and rightfully so.They arent fast enough to keep up with him and arent built to take a beatiing from him

5 If you actually DID see the fight [which i doubt since you mentioned Rogue] then you would know that prof X erased the fight from his mind after he left.Much like Wolverines speed and strength dont match up against Spideys his power isnt a factor against the Prof

6 So what your telling me now is in the 2nd paragraph is that Wolverine is on par with Ultron and the Beyonder?Nows who is the raging rabid fanboy?Cutting apart the D class villian Absorbing man is just fine considering he was made of a WEAKER material than Andamantium but then again if this was absorbing man vs Wolvie and he was made of the same stuff that Caps Shield was made of i figure we would still here "Wolverine would cut him becauses more experienced and stronger"

7 If you had bothered to read my last couple posts i was making an appeal for sanity and at least the Slightest attempt to try and differentiate when a character is being written stronger than they normally are.Wolverine doesnt move faster than machine gun fire he CANT hit Spidey bottom line argument over

What i am arguing-"Spiderman is[as recorded] several times faster than Wolverine much to fast for him to hit and his strength and sheer number of hits would be able to do more damage than he could regenerate at once"

What you are arguing-"Wolverine is too strong for Spidey to damage and despite his speed he can still hit him because..........."

See thats what i weant you to make me understand.Of course i KNOW you have no intention of doing that and arent here for a debate your simply trying to push buttons and have people pay attention to you

Originally posted by EvilCap America
1 I dont see Cycs ricoheting the beam enough to hit Spidey hes dodged similar things before.Heck ive seen him dodge a room full of lasers blindfolded routinely dodge automatic fire and Lightning from Electro

cyclops nailed about 30 things at the same time in a danger room sequence once by said technique.....how the hell would spiderman avoid a shotgun-like blast of numerous beams from different angles? he wouldn't...both eletro and shocker have nailed him too. Wolverine dodges lazers easily enough as well....point is, cyclops isn't a mindless lazer, he can lead targets and claculate how to hit spidey by banking his beam of 8 different directions...spidey goes down hard here...

Originally posted by EvilCap America
3 Rogue wasent there.Heck she wasent even on the team yet.If she was absorbing his energy is the LAST thing she would do and she wouldnt need it being a flyer with superior strength

now I know how much worth while you are.....in other words not at all.....look again bub....read the ****in book.

Originally posted by EvilCap America
4 Nightcrawler and Wolvie were non-factors in the fight and rightfully so.They arent fast enough to keep up with him and arent built to take a beatiing from him

you're missing the point....night crawler couldn't teleport out of webbing...if I have to further explain what's wrong with that picture I might as well just give up on you right now...

Originally posted by EvilCap America
5 If you actually DID see the fight [which i doubt since you mentioned Rogue] then you would know that prof X erased the fight from his mind after he left.Much like Wolverines speed and strength dont match up against Spideys his power isnt a factor against the Prof

once again you missed the point...the point being that the "fight" in question should have been done before it got started...plain and simple...

Originally posted by EvilCap America
6 So what your telling me now is in the 2nd paragraph is that Wolverine is on par with Ultron and the Beyonder? Now who's the rabid fanboy?

Originally posted by EvilCap America
Cutting apart the D class villian Absorbing man is just fine considering he was made of a WEAKER material than Andamantium but then again if this was absorbing man vs Wolvie and he was made of the same stuff that Caps Shield was made of i figure we would still here "Wolverine would cut him becauses more experienced and stronger"

so a guy who resides as a hulk level villain is now a d class villain compared to spiderman huh? 😕.............😂

Originally posted by EvilCap America
7 If you had bothered to read my last couple posts i was making an appeal for sanity and at least the Slightest attempt to try and differentiate when a character is being written stronger than they normally are.Wolverine doesnt move faster than machine gun fire he CANT hit Spidey bottom line argument over

if we're going by that......wolverine dodges machine gun fire too...spiderman doesn't move faster than a speeding bullet so spiderman CANT hit wolverine bottom line argument over....lol...your fallacies as far as pleading for sanity are comical at best...

Originally posted by EvilCap America
What i am arguing-"Spiderman is[as recorded] several times faster than Wolverine much to fast for him to hit and his strength and sheer number of hits would be able to do more damage than he could regenerate at once"

ummmm no...........AS RECORDED.....spiderman is 12% faster than wolverine....factoring in fatigue that the body experiences during a fight, and that statistic quickly becomes wolverine's strength and not spiderman's... again wolverine's hit guys like puma, ghost rider, vengeance, venom, OGUN ( a level seven/100% speed character), speed demon, quick silver, and spiderman.........yeah obviously spiderman's wayyyyyy too fast for logan...pfffft 🙄

Originally posted by EvilCap America
What you are arguing-"Wolverine is too strong for Spidey to damage and despite his speed he can still hit him because..........."

wolverine isn't too strong....he's too durable.....there's a difference.....obviously you missed the difference, just like you're missing everything else....and obviously wolverine CAN hit spiderman cause he's gotten withing killing range of doing so 4 times...

Originally posted by EvilCap America
See thats what i weant you to make me understand.Of course i KNOW you have no intention of doing that and arent here for a debate your simply trying to push buttons and have people pay attention to you

coming from a guy who called another member on here a tard just for debating with you......hell this isn't even a case of the pot and the kettle.....now it's more like the pot and the strawman..... but hey keep the faith right.....🙄

oh one more thing....(insert insult here,,,,,,"guz fraba guz fraba"😉 hmmmmm looks like rogue IS in that book...wait....who was the tard again? pffft. pathetic...come back when you have a decent argument to make....

Originally posted by jinzin
oh one more thing....(insert insult here,,,,,,"guz fraba guz fraba"😉 hmmmmm looks like rogue IS in that book...wait....who was the tard again? pffft. pathetic...come back when you have a decent argument to make....

once again, jinzin the mighty shuts someone up with a mighty scan. Good show.

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Which makes sense since Spidey probably wasn't giving off the signals that DD usually uses to sense a coming attack.

on the other hand...

spidey has been down many times, but seriously, show more than that panel friend, I would like to see more..........

Wasn't my pic originally, don't have a scanner, sorry.