Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Started by CorderaMitchell1,019 pages

Originally posted by Nataku8188
The chart ranges from 800 lb to 25 ton for their strength class (LOL)

The deal sealer is the strength of spidey's webbing. 120lbs per square MILIMETER!

Spidey can literally grab logan by the wrists, slam him against a wall, lean on one arm and then web him up. Then guess what? He can spray web over his face and watch him suffocate

Spidermans webbing is that concentrated, he has this hands down, this webbing can put logan in a crucifix position, and spidey could suffocate him, dump him in the river or whatever is necessary, he has too many options in this match.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I haven't gotten an explanation at all, its more of a if I like it it can happen.

(for example, you thought a person was able of knocking another person 1/5 of a football field with a punch, when a person couldn't even be tossed that far.)

(I can't count how many times I have brought math and reasoning in here when someone talked all over themselves, and made themselves look stupid)

I posted something up there right at the top of the page, even if you guys are proved wrong you don't admit it, and whats worse you try to condescend others with the, "I'm never wrong," when you're in a corner and start the whole fallacy, strawman, bs. This isn't an essay its a debate, whats wrong is wrong why try to switch things around.

I have not dismissed what you bring up, that is a pure lie, I have been on here and try to understand all sides and will even clear things up to those who look like they put a lot of thoughts into their pposts, like Wanderer, Joesha, and Sometimes jinzin. The truth is, merc just starts jibing when he is in a corner and is hard to take seriously with some of his comments, you like to just pull apart posts, and don't come up with anything on your own, I've yet to seen two small paragraphs from you, all you do is just flip around what others say, and that won't work on those who understand your words. Jinzin uses scans that only support him,and for Wolverine, it isn't getting far, you should know that by now.

You've shown the same facts and said the same things, 100% consistency, in three stalemates for the most part, that is what this is here for, a hypothetical match that shows thought and reasons why this would win in an accurate setting.

Don't say my points are bad, you just can't counter them , they're logic, they're true.

You bring in the importance of fighting styles and technique, i bring in the knowledge of that, you can't counter it, I have no need to lie, and you overlook it or dismiss it as no big deal, it becomes tiresome and not worth my time.

You bring in damages of said hits. Well i bring in the area of pressures,and amount of nerve endings that are relevant to actual pain and damage. I have no need to lie,you can't explain it better if you tried, its the truth, get over it.

You bring in proificiencies of stab,punch,and slice. I bring in the liklihood of those happening,and the effect in damage. You can't explain it, it is above your head, so again you dismiss it as no big deal, or say it has no place. Bottom line it does, this is a technical debate and needs technical criticism and points, if it is too much, don't respond to it, or just wait until you have a valid point.

I've heard explanations, that explain when and why.

Spidey's punches didn't ko wolverine, conclusion: he can't do it on that
showing.

Counter argument: why cant' he do so if he possesses sufficient strength, and ability to do so.

Counter point: well it was shown here, that it didn't happen.

Counter point: well that doesn't count because weaker characters and attacks have done so....

Counter point: well whatever, I'm right and you're wrong, fallacy, blah blah blah.

Thats not an explanation, and makes us go from point C back to A to prove a point to people who don't explain anything. Some have put effort into their common sense in their posts, some just believe everything they see.

So you haven't been paying attention to what I've been saying at all eh. . .

You're as bad as straw, you aren't worth responding to anymore.

If you're just going to ignore me, then I'm just going to ignore you.

Hey if you say that than that's how it is, I just get cut and paste, though you say 100% consistency,and don't explain, I just want that explanation. Like you do in the game forum.

But if you got to ignore me than its just how it is, your clever word play, and insulting counter weren't suit for me, but I did try to do this good for the time it lasted.

If you think you're too good for everyone, then you shouldn't bother posting, you will have noone soon if they all disagree with you, thats the point of this, not calling everyone fanboys and such.

There are 2 types of people in all activities, in all my years of drumline,bodysculpting,and even card dueling, there are those types who want to win at all costs,even if it means losing friends and respect.

And there are those who have fun and do their best.(me) I am very successful in all these things, but what is 1 first place trophy if you lose the respect of everyone around you with arrogance and insults. We all have our moments, but I am the second choice which are you.

If you or anyone else here is that #1,and has a superiority complex, goodbye with your charisma deprived selves, and watch from the outside as the environment lights up on your absence, that is your choice and yours alone.

Still haven't learned to form paragraphs, eh?

Seriously, lay off Strawnilla. Its pathetic, are some of you bullies? He asked a question about Lady Deathstrike, and some of you pounced on him for no reason. Try that on me. You guys picked and picked on his posts which weren't that bad at all, and have annoyed him to the point to where he won't return at all. You are entitled to your own opinion if you don't agree then don't. Saying someone isn't worth your time makes you sound very arrogant.

Thats the difference there, I am not backing down to noone. I'll be polite, but am not afraid to fight back after that first cannon is shot, and I don't hold in grudges. If you think you're right stand strong, thats what seperates the good from the great.

I don't care what you or the other two say about my logic or this or that, I am a soldier,and am not new to cocky people or people who think they own something, I usually am outspoken and clash, but I usually get along with that one in the long run, because I stood up to them, but respected them at the same time. If you think my posts are shitty, than stop fu**ing responding to them, you must think it is worth your time to respond to thousands of them, like people in all the other forums. It annoys me how you guys skip great posts by MISTER and the others and come to me,and try to ward off points you can't prove with insults. I'm intelligent and wise and see right through that, its funny and doesn't bother me much, but when you insult another that isn't insulting you, and shows no interest in fighting with you on your level, you are a coward and bully, and I'm not going to tolerate it. Some of you take this too seriously, shit, get a girlfriend. Fanboys are hard to reason with yes, but they reserve the same right as you guys to poll, discuss, and debate on here, ignore them, but people coming together trying to run something just because they have nothing in control in their life gets on my nerves.........

You want to take those kid gloves off, take them off, but damn, mature a bit. Picking on community members of this forum who don't bother you and only respond to what you write in the first place is sorry.
I want to see what someone has to say about this in the morning.

You calim that Wolverine can't regenerate his organs and brain, but this is clearly not the case as that's exactly what he does.

He can regenerate brain cells, but not a whole brain. If Wolverine is capable of just growing a new heart once it has been ripped from his chest, then that's complete BS and I'll start hating Wolverine forever for being so damn stupid. Unfortunately, despite the fact that he can regenerate brain cells, once he's dead, he's dead; no healing factor can save him if he dies of drowning.

Despite that, however, the only thing Spidey can do is suffocate him or vaporize him. He can't get into his body to get to his organs, he can't get to his brain, and any damage he does to them will be healed. Like Nataku said, however, it wouldn't be too hard to have Spidey drown him.

But it's never that easy; Wolverine can cut the webbing if he's in a position to see it coming. No matter how fast Spidey is, his webbing isn't as fast as he is and is subject to the web-shooters' limitations. Last I checked, a web-line isn't instantaneous and so I'd say Logan's got a good shot at cutting it or perhaps even dodging it.

So that Creshosk guy and that Jinzin guy are bullies eh? Well I would like to see them try to pick on me. I wouldn't take that crap from anyone. Especially some bullies like these guys. And as for you Creshosk, I've been reading the last few pages and you're the one who doesn't deserve to be answered back to. You think you're right but you just don't want to admit you're wrong. You and that Jinzin guy like to pick on CorderaMitchell and Strawnilla right? Well now I'm here. Try and pick on us all if you can. Cowards! 😠

No, he's saying they're picking on Straw. Not the other way around.

coward? hmmm..okay tell me when and where...we'll meet...and I'll show how much of a coward I am! ......I don't pick on people, I point out when people are wrong by presenting them with fact after fact to prove my point...you've read 3 pages of this 108 page thread and now you think you know something about the people debating in it? don't make me laugh!

seriously....strawnilla was ridiculous to no end. That's not a biased statement it's just the truth...he kept claiming spiderman was 40X faster than a human being...he's not..his stats, nor his comic book feats would prove otherwise....he said spiderman would be going around snatching organs for craps sakes. His posts long and he consistantly couldn't support his statements with any sort of proof whatsoever (sounds like someone elese i know) he claimed we didn't know anything about spiderman and I proved to know more about spiderman than he did...and he persisted...everytime I called him on something...he didn't give me an answer he just skipped on to the next post rather than either answer me or admit he didn't know.... he proved himself to be a person not worth my time....

Cordera, I don't pick on you....I point out when you're simply wrong....you're the one who keeps claiming I'm the one trying to portray these characters as gods when I'm clearly basing my conclusion off of what I have seen.... you constantly claim to support your arguments with proof and you don't give me one source that's been given on your behalf....

So I'm a bully for how I debate here huh? COMMON THEN!!!! I'm not even joking at this point...you guys think your tough enough to actually try and start some shit with me?!?!?! give me the name of a place and we'll meet face to face....but I'm warning you guys....you really really don't want to get into this with me....

and one more thing...I don't skip of themister's posts...I mean common I respect the guy for his debating ability...we went tet for tat in the batman thread and he was really impressive...much more impressive than the rest of you whining kids have been anyways.

I don't care if I'm stepping out of line here...you guys want to acuse me of shit and start something....FINE!....I'll end it though...

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
perhaps, but the one on one part isn't necessarily granted to wolverine, as cyclops was shown to best him.

You're point here is that cyclops "bested" Wolvie, would you provide more information on that...some pictures maybe? Either way I can easily speculate that it was for the same reason Spidey isn't dead today, Wolverine holds back.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
but I already hear a bs from that, so I would say that spidey could use many intricacies from his environment, cars and telephone polls to stand on and hang wolverine from, the environment is spidey's good weapon,(much like a good fighter) and when used correctly could become better than short claws on a wrist.

*ahem* forehand *cough*

Wolverine's shown to use the environment quite well. Every time a good writer gets his hands on him anyway. Spidey may be his equal in this area, but not his superior.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
His arm wasn't severed if the skeleton was still there, seriously whats the point of the skeleton if you guys make him seem like he doesn't need it.

Did you even bother thinking about this? If his skeleton wasn't laced with adamantium you might have a point.

Originally posted by who?-kid
No no no no no, it doesn't work that way.

You say Spider-Man had help, and Firelord was weakened. Fine.

PROVE IT.

Good luck.

So when's the last time you proved anything?

If a third nuetral party read this thread who do you think they'd beleive, the guy who's already posted tons of scans including full fights, or the guy who just ask for proof but has never provided any himself?

For that matter, prove the fight even ever happened...or can you not?

Originally posted by dvampire
Spiderman isn't going to try and run, one punch is going to put Wolverine in a dizzy stat. 🙂

Except that there's proof he's taken plenty of punches and no such thing has ever happened.

Originally posted by jinzin
"Spiderman isn't going to try and run, one punch is going to put Wolverine in a dizzy stat."

of course it will 🙄 I mean hey wolverine stands up after hulk hits.....hell even dozens of spiderman punches couldn't even slow wolverine down...

False. Wolverine was unable to do ANYTHING until Spidey stopped punching him. Don't be crazy.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I haven't gotten an explanation at all, its more of a if I like it it can happen.

(for example, you thought a person was able of knocking another person 1/5 of a football field with a punch, when a person couldn't even be tossed that far.)

(I can't count how many times I have brought math and reasoning in here when someone talked all over themselves, and made themselves look stupid)

I posted something up there right at the top of the page, even if you guys are proved wrong you don't admit it, and whats worse you try to condescend others with the, "I'm never wrong," when you're in a corner and start the whole fallacy, strawman, bs. This isn't an essay its a debate, whats wrong is wrong why try to switch things around.

I have not dismissed what you bring up, that is a pure lie, I have been on here and try to understand all sides and will even clear things up to those who look like they put a lot of thoughts into their pposts, like Wanderer, Joesha, and Sometimes jinzin. The truth is, merc just starts jibing when he is in a corner

This post got too long so I didn't read the rest. When have I ever been in a corner? I'd like to see you show just once.

yeah because getting hit in the face would totally imobilize your arms 🙄 truley....answer me this who was holding back? who was on top by the end of the fight? who forced spiderman to act on the definsive because he found his offensive at it's fullest couldn't even get him to stop smiling?

and we're STILLLL deviating from the point AGAIN...were those punches doing anything but making wolverine smile? NO!

"This post got too long so I didn't read the rest. When have I ever been in a corner? I'd like to see you show just once."

it must of been on one of those phantom pages when he was providing tons and tons of proof with sources to back it up....🙄 pfffft.

Originally posted by brainchild81
False. Wolverine was unable to do ANYTHING until Spidey stopped punching him. Don't be crazy.

Dude, the little drawings you make yourself to that your mommy hangs on the refrigerator aren't actually usable in a comic debate...

Unless of course you'd like to provide some proof...

😂

Originally posted by jinzin
yeah because getting hit in the face would totally imobilize your arms 🙄 truley....answer me this who was holding back? who was on top by the end of the fight? who forced spiderman to act on the definsive because he found his offensive at it's fullest couldn't even get him to stop smiling?

and we're STILLLL deviating from the point AGAIN...were those punches doing anything but making wolverine smile? NO!

Yes. They were keeping Wolverine from having ANY offense whatsoever. Spidey should have webbed him to the headstone, grabbed the girl and then left. Spidey was young, dumb, and afraid of Wolverine in that book. Things ain't the same now.

Originally posted by jinzin
"This post got too long so I didn't read the rest. When have I ever been in a corner? I'd like to see you show just once."

it must of been on one of those phantom pages when he was providing tons and tons of proof with sources to back it up....🙄 pfffft.

The funny part is I've quoted him several times, showing himself contradicting himself or blatantly lying...and when I call him out on it he just denies it again. My point is, denial, one of the 7 signs of Raging Fanboyism...

If you think a family member or friend might be suffering from RF, please call 1-800-1-FANBOY.