All im doing is repeating the info ive gotten once i foolishly suggested that Wolbverine had lower speed than Spidey.Obviously i was proven wrong and wolverine could hit the Flash if he wanted too.Surely he has never been dropped by attacks by normal humans either [all those examples he was faking most likely] and a guy 20X stronger than a normal human shouldnt be able to do the same thing.Heck even the Hulk couldnt hurt him and THATS TOTALLY not the product of writers bending over backwards for the fanboys i mean this guy has a 100% 1 shot win recorde vs Lobo with his bone claws HES THAT STRONG
Andamantium Wolverine>Bone claw Wolverine>Lobo>Superman>Most Class 100 strength MU Heroes>Spiderman
I mean its not like this entire pro-wolverine argument has been tainted by his most insane badly written moments or something because if it WAS Spidermans would count too and not be dismissed even if it was equally BS
Wolverine is slower, but only a little slower. Not to say that this isn't an advantage for spidey, just not as big as some have made it out.
Wolvie has hit a couple of fast characters, he doesn't do it by keeping up with them, he simply predicts the most likely attacks, the way that any fighter of his calibre would. The same way he tags Nightcrawler.
I'd like to hear some examples of wolvie being dropped by street level characters that were done with strength or fighting alone.
I don't think too many people said Hulk couldn't hurt Wolvie (no one I'd bother to argue with anyway) but he has taken a few hits. That to me is a testament of the amount of punishment he can take. Why shouldn't it be?
Both these characters have many highs and lows, if we argue both in the middle, Wolvie takes it, If we argue both at highs, Wolvie takes it. Even if we argue Wolvie in the middle and spidey high then Wolvie still has a pretty damn good chance.
Originally posted by jinzin
coward? hmmm..okay tell me when and where...we'll meet...and I'll show how much of a coward I am! ......I don't pick on people, I point out when people are wrong by presenting them with fact after fact to prove my point...you've read 3 pages of this 108 page thread and now you think you know something about the people debating in it? don't make me laugh!
No, I never pointed any names, though it is quite obvious who has the superiority complex here. Stop trying to intimidate people, i've faced tougher all the time, unless you were aiming to Hulk Power, and still its easy to put that to people when you'll never meet them.
Originally posted by jinzin
seriously....strawnilla was ridiculous to no end. That's not a biased statement it's just the truth...he kept claiming spiderman was 40X faster than a human being...he's not..his stats, nor his comic book feats would prove otherwise....he said spiderman would be going around snatching organs for craps sakes. His posts long and he consistantly couldn't support his statements with any sort of proof whatsoever (sounds like someone elese i know) he claimed we didn't know anything about spiderman and I proved to know more about spiderman than he did...and he persisted...everytime I called him on something...he didn't give me an answer he just skipped on to the next post rather than either answer me or admit he didn't know.... he proved himself to be a person not worth my time....
You started the entire, "I'm too good for strawnilla", because Cresh influenced you into it. I admit you behaved much differently, until he arrived. Even still ignoring him,and tearing him apart on posts is a big difference, like you did on that Lady Deathstrike thread for no reason.
Originally posted by jinzin
Cordera, I don't pick on you....I point out when you're simply wrong....you're the one who keeps claiming I'm the one trying to portray these characters as gods when I'm clearly basing my conclusion off of what I have seen.... you constantly claim to support your arguments with proof and you don't give me one source that's been given on your behalf....
No, again you assume things, you act like wolverine is a god or this or that, because of what some silly manual or this or that said(scorpion), but then you don't really explain why, I have said where I get my info, and pointed my link to the top of the page, it died. Seriosly Nataku came here and put up great points, you skip them, and I know he's brings great stuff all the time to the debate. Me, like many don't have a scanner to put up common knowledge. Again, i never said YOU picked on me, but you guys like to try the insult crap, when nothings being pointed out, or you guys follow me to other threads to bug me, when my conclusions are the same to others, and even have much better explanation. Clever word play, insults, and one sided scans don't do much when you say the same thing over and over. Explain something.
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Originally posted by jinzin
So I'm a bully for how I debate here huh? COMMON THEN!!!! I'm not even joking at this point...you guys think your tough enough to actually try and start some shit with me?!?!?! give me the name of a place and we'll meet face to face....but I'm warning you guys....you really really don't want to get into this with me....
No I don't because its over comic books, and this is exactly what I mean, YOU are the type that ttakes these TOO seriously and takes the fun out of it. Who was this aimed at, I wanted you guys to calm down. Don't think I'm scared of you at all, the very notion of its ridiculous, sit at homeand continue to try to scare others, you show how much uncreditable you are right now, you ain't beating me up anytime period.
Originally posted by jinzin
and one more thing...I don't skip of themister's posts...I mean common I respect the guy for his debating ability...we went tet for tat in the batman thread and he was really impressive...much more impressive than the rest of you whining kids have been anyways.
Its funny that me and mister bring up many of the same points, and have them in similar styles, and they get skipped,and people come right to mine. He already told me I brought the winning points to many discussions very early in my arrival. Whiney Kids? You saying that makes you that much more of a kid yourself. Pathetic people calling others "kids" online and insulting them, makes the country I fought for look bad, so shut it. Cresh is better than you, and he never really made a point, imagine how cute that is, nothing I put up several times were countered because some of you guys know nothing, about the real world. "I'm too good for anyone but a few people, shows the arrogance I've seen many times, and you seem just an irritant at this point. You think we suck oh so much, don't respond, I can get to those who put thought into thier posts, and are polite, while thinking new things up. Once you don't respond to us for a while, you'll eventually just be off, because noone wil really care, you aren't all that, man get over yourself.
Originally posted by jinzin
I don't care if I'm stepping out of line here...you guys want to acuse me of shit and start something....FINE!....I'll end it though...
Again, you are stepping out of line for whom? I wrote a calm down speech, you sound like an angry 14 year old, what are you going to do blow your brains out, over a comic debate? You sound that more ridiculous for every year that has been tallied up in your life. I'm a soldier and don't back down, you guys should know that by now. I've been arguing harder than noone's business, and have faced the odds well ever since my arrival, you guys cant keep up, so you want to put me down? Bleh!! I kick ass just like on several other forums here, the difference is some just don't see when to quit, and start bullshit like this because they take their comics too seriously, whatever. i don't feel like talking about this rubbish anymore, since you want to throw me in your line of fire.
Originally posted by Wanderer259
He can regenerate brain cells, but not a whole brain. If Wolverine is capable of just growing a new heart once it has been ripped from his chest, then that's complete BS and I'll start hating Wolverine forever for being so damn stupid. Unfortunately, despite the fact that he can regenerate brain cells, once he's dead, he's dead; no healing factor can save him if he dies of drowning.Despite that, however, the only thing Spidey can do is suffocate him or vaporize him. He can't get into his body to get to his organs, he can't get to his brain, and any damage he does to them will be healed. Like Nataku said, however, it wouldn't be too hard to have Spidey drown him.
But it's never that easy; Wolverine can cut the webbing if he's in a position to see it coming. No matter how fast Spidey is, his webbing isn't as fast as he is and is subject to the web-shooters' limitations. Last I checked, a web-line isn't instantaneous and so I'd say Logan's got a good shot at cutting it or perhaps even dodging it.
Yes but if, spidey pins his arms down, wolverine can't overpower it, and if the webbing comes on full force from then we got a big fly.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
You're point here is that cyclops "bested" Wolvie, would you provide more information on that...some pictures maybe? Either way I can easily speculate that it was for the same reason Spidey isn't dead today, Wolverine holds back.*ahem* forehand *cough*
Wolverine's shown to use the environment quite well. Every time a good writer gets his hands on him anyway. Spidey may be his equal in this area, but not his superior.
I disagree,wolverine can't possibly be better in these environments than spiderman. He is limited to what he can do mostly on ground level, spidey has the air the walls, and can manipulate webbing from multiple angles with his webbing.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Yes but if, spidey pins his arms down, wolverine can't overpower it, and if the webbing comes on full force from then we got a big fly.
It's not a matter of strength it's simple leverage. Spidey only weighs 160 pounds wet. There are few positions that can actually completely incapacitate in a grappling match and the fact that you insist spidey can do this only means that you've given Spidey a fighting level that he in no way possesses to accomplish said task. (not a single insult, you proud of me dimwi...doh!) sorry.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I disagree,wolverine can't possibly be better in these environments than spiderman. He is limited to what he can do mostly on ground level, spidey has the air the walls, and can manipulate webbing from multiple angles with his webbing.
What environments? It seems as though you've assumed that they will be fighting in a environment completely customised to maximise Spiderman's abilities. So spidey jumps on a light pole so what? Just cut it down. So spidey swings the light pole, so what, he loses his speed edge. So spidey climbs a wall, what makes you think Wolvie will chase after him like a dumbass instead of distancing himself to make sure he's not caught in webbing? You've now given Spidey the tactics advantage which he certainly does not have.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Someone mentioned he survived a severed arm, how could he do that if his arm wasn't severed.
No, now you've misquoted me, and if you think you haven't go back and prove me wrong.
I'm the one who brougth it up, and I said his arm was blown off save the skeleton. It was in response to you saying that Wolverine couldn't grow back an organ. Last time I checked muscles were organs.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
It's not a matter of strength it's simple leverage. Spidey only weighs 160 pounds wet. There are few positions that can actually completely incapacitate in a grappling match and the fact that you insist spidey can do this only means that you've given Spidey a fighting level that he in no way possesses to accomplish said task. (not a single insult, you proud of me dimwi...doh!) sorry.
Not based on fighting level at all, spidey is a master grappler, and relies on those techniques more than wolverine himself. Spidey's strength is high enough to keep wolverine down if he is in the right position or not, fighting level would be severly weakened since the strength makes up for close up confrontations like these. Just like a gorilla doesn't have "fighting skill", but could hols your arms over your head all day, whether you wanted it to or not. Or better yet the hulk, and he doesn't have "fighting skill"
Again there is too much emphasis on "fighting skill" here. Spiderman's body is made for an unorthodox fighting style that, allows complex acrobatics, and instinctive dodging, thats a fighting skilll, it doesn't have to be samurai, it works. Various superhuman feats at a high velocity will take the another character out than the parrying, that you and I would rely on.
To simply shoot his body with webbing while holding a character's arms in the air by the wrist, when he is over 20 times stronger, isn't hard. Would ;you have a difficult time holding a trained child thats 65 pounds arms in the air from you if you were an adult?
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
What environments? It seems as though you've assumed that they will be fighting in a environment completely customised to maximise Spiderman's abilities. So spidey jumps on a light pole so what? Just cut it down. So spidey swings the light pole, so what, he loses his speed edge. So spidey climbs a wall, what makes you think Wolvie will chase after him like a dumbass instead of distancing himself to make sure he's not caught in webbing? You've now given Spidey the tactics advantage which he certainly does not have.
That sounds like what wolvie supporters have been doing, nullifying every situation. Will spidey simply sit there while wolvie tackles him? You and I know that spiderman has many options in his matches, while wolverine, can mostly cut and hope for the best here.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
No, now you've misquoted me, and if you think you haven't go back and prove me wrong.I'm the one who brougth it up, and I said his arm was blown off save the skeleton. It was in response to you saying that Wolverine couldn't grow back an organ. Last time I checked muscles were organs.
Yes, you didn't say sever, but if he has an indestructable skeleton, then it wouldn't happen anyway. If there is a string of DNA on that arm, it grows back. look at nataku's posts, which were on the stats I posted, wolverine is subject from loss of organs, or even blood, If that happens to him his organs can be removed, and he will die.
Lets clear up the brain cell thing. He wouldn't be regenerating them at the while he is drowning under water and they go "pop", similar to suffocation, why do you think you need oxygen, its fuel for the cells to continue their duties, if they can't your body shuts down and you die.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Not based on fighting level at all, spidey is a master grappler, and relies on those techniques more than wolverine himself. Spidey's strength is high enough to keep wolverine down if he is in the right position or not, fighting level would be severly weakened since the strength makes up for close up confrontations like these. Just like a gorilla doesn't have "fighting skill", but could hols your arms over your head all day, whether you wanted it to or not. Or better yet the hulk, and he doesn't have "fighting skill"
Not based on fighting level at all? Spidey is a master grappler? Is that why Wolvie fling him off with one arm? You really beleive that he could hold him in a position in which Wolvie couldn't injure or kill him even if he did hold him down. Spidey is not Hulk. Wolvie could not fling Hulk off with one arm. I just don't see your point here at all. Let's say you are so much stronger than your opponent that you can actually make his grappling skill void and you actually have some fundamentals so at least you have half an idea what you're doing. What's stopping a guy with a knife from subtley slitting open an artery...
Master grappler...I spit on that.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Again there is too much emphasis on "fighting skill" here. Spiderman's body is made for an unorthodox fighting style that, allows complex acrobatics, and instinctive dodging, thats a fighting skilll, it doesn't have to be samurai, it works. Various superhuman feats at a high velocity will take the another character out than the parrying, that you and I would rely on.
No, there's not enough emphasis on fighting skill. Marvel fighters quite often defeat animals like gorillas. Spiderman's body gives him a unique style, too much emphasis is put on "unique." It in no way improves his efficiency over other styles. You don't have to parry every attack, you can just move over a little for most.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
To simply shoot his body with webbing while holding a character's arms in the air by the wrist, when he is over 20 times stronger, isn't hard. Would ;you have a difficult time holding a trained child thats 65 pounds arms in the air from you if you were an adult?
I would if he kicked me in the nads. The fact that you don't see that tells me you've given this little thought.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Yes, you didn't say sever, but if he has an indestructable skeleton, then it wouldn't happen anyway. If there is a string of DNA on that arm, it grows back. look at nataku's posts, which were on the stats I posted, wolverine is subject from loss of organs, or even blood, If that happens to him his organs can be removed, and he will die.
It if it helps his arms was disintigrated off. But you didn't answer my question, and you've alluded to having some anatomical knowledge. So tell me, are muscles organs?
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Lets clear up the brain cell thing. He wouldn't be regenerating them at the while he is drowning under water and they go "pop", similar to suffocation, why do you think you need oxygen, its fuel for the cells to continue their duties, if they can't your body shuts down and you die.
Who said there was water? It seems to me again that you've insisted that the fight takes place in a giant high risen maze where Wolverine is restricted to confined spaces so he can't dodge webbing and there is an infinite amount of space for Spidey to wall crawl and there happens to 3 feet of water at the ground level.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Not based on fighting level at all? Spidey is a master grappler? Is that why Wolvie fling him off with one arm? You really beleive that he could hold him in a position in which Wolvie couldn't injure or kill him even if he did hold him down. Spidey is not Hulk. Wolvie could not fling Hulk off with one arm. I just don't see your point here at all. Let's say you are so much stronger than your opponent that you can actually make his grappling skill void and you actually have some fundamentals so at least you have half an idea what you're doing. What's stopping a guy with a knife from subtley slitting open an artery...
His arms are freaking in the crucifix position, how will he cut anything,web him up and viola, stop trying to make it seem like wolverine is invurnerable to every fu@@ing thing. Spiderman's been thrown before he'll land, and stop using bs examples when spidey can do the same thing..... better, wolverine would be flung a farther distance.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Master grappler...I spit on that.
Cute spit away,you aren't lobo it wouldn't do anything, you just want spidey to look like a scrub when he is a 4/7 on marvels scale, quite enough to use with his abilities to take many down.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
No, there's not enough emphasis on fighting skill. Marvel fighters quite often defeat animals like gorillas. Spiderman's body gives him a unique style, too much emphasis is put on "unique." It in no way improves his efficiency over other styles. You don't have to parry every attack, you can just move over a little for most.
No there is too much, people think bats can karate superman. Skill only goes so far, once you have basic knowledge on applied pressure, you can adapt certain moves to your liking. You and I could have all the skill and the world, and wouldn't stand a chance if we got too close to a gorilla, bud, which shows that technique is great, but cant overcompensate for a ridiculous strength advantage. Hulk and Superman and thing, don't have "fighting skill", but there's is more uniqe and effective. There are many people who have these skills and get beat up by a person who is simply a person who can keep their mind at cool,and has the wisdom of how to hit when and wheree, without fancy kicks, it isn't hard math.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
I would if he kicked me in the nads. The fact that you don't see that tells me you've given this little thought.
Now you're arguing for its own sake, why would he kick you if your are an adult with much farther reach, and his back was facing the wall, its not that hard to hold a little kid down.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
It if it helps his arms was disintigrated off. But you didn't answer my question, and you've alluded to having some anatomical knowledge. So tell me, are muscles organs?
Of course it is,and so is skin. Any large groups of cells is tissue, tissue is organs, organs are organ systems. But why woulnd't it grow back if his skeleon is there and his shoulder is fine, it would be no diffferent than him, simply slicing off a large chunk of his finger.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Who said there was water? It seems to me again that you've insisted that the fight takes place in a giant high risen maze where Wolverine is restricted to confined spaces so he can't dodge webbing and there is an infinite amount of space for Spidey to wall crawl and there happens to 3 feet of water at the ground level.
Who said there wasn't. First there is no walls, no cars, no poles, no buildings, no this or that, lets make ways for him to win. This stuff wasnt debated until now, when I just made a point, this is a battle possibility, you sound like you are trying to negate it because it doesn't suit you, no offense.