Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
there is no way spiderman has gone through more than wolverine. spiderman's pain is merely a scratch compared to wolverine's. and no, he is not a more developed character. logan has the best character story in all of marvel. all the writers have said this. wolverine's will is stronger. he has never given up once. he will fight anyone no matter what the odds and and has always survived. and if spiderman is so powerful, how come when he punche wolverine, logan smiles? cuz wolverine loves pain! he is used to it. he has healed from hundreds of concussions and can certainly heal from a spider punch. even if spiderman were to hit him, peter's hands would crack, and would need a cast for 10 weeks
what i said was common sense, not fanboy %&*$.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine's healing factor heals all the interal damage caused by bricks like the Hulk in span of time inbetween attacks... and closes bullet wounds a milimeter behind the bullet (that is boneclaw though); Spidy aint dish out enough damage to even start to keep Logan down.
Wolverine's powers according to recent Marvel Updates....
Strength Level:
While Wolverine may be of an advanced age, he possesses the normal human strength of a man in his prime with his height and build who engages in intensive regular exercise. While possessing the adamantium skeleton, Wolverine's strength was increased to the human maximum, making him capable of lifting (pressing) 800 lbs.
Known Superhuman Powers:
Wolverine is a mutant with a number of enhancements to his physiology. Wolverine possesses heightened senses, making him capable of seeing things at a maximum distance greater than that of a normal human. His hearing is enhanced in a similar manner, and he is able to recognize people and objects by scent, even if that person or object is hidden. Logan can use these enhanced senses to track anyone, with an impressive degree of success.
He possesses retractable bone claws that are housed in his forearms, they are part of his skeleton system. At will Wolverine can release these claws through his skin between the knuckles on each hand. The skin between the knuckles tears and bleeds, but bleeding is quickly halted by his healing factor. The claws are naturally sharp and tougher than that of normal human bone structure. This allows Wolverine to be able to cut through most types of flesh and natural materials. (Note: While Wolverine possessed his adamantium skeleton, his claws were able to cut through almost any material without any fear of damage to the claws.)
Lastly, Wolverine possesses an accelerated healing factor based on his physiology. While most normal humans heal injuries over a long period of time, Wolverine's healing factor speeds up that natural process. Wolverine's natural healing has been advanced to the point where he can heal extensive injuries (such as broken limbs) in a matter of hours to days. This factor gives him a higher resistance to poisons and toxins, and he can recover from almost any injury. The more extensive the injury, the longer the healing time will be.
Wolverine is not immortal, however. If the injuries are extensive enough, especially if they result in the loss of vital organs, large amounts of blood, and/or loss of physical form (such as having flesh burned away by fire or acid), Logan can die.
Wolverine, again due to his healing factor, has an enhanced resistance to disease, as well as an extended life span. Despite Wolverine's chronological age, he is still as healthy and physically fit as a man in his prime.
Abilities: Due to his extensive training as a CIA operative, a Samurai, and as a member of the Weapon X program, Wolverine is a master of multiple forms of martial arts, weapons, and vehicles. He is also a trained expert in computers, explosives, and assassination techniques.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Sigh... a bio as evidance. The comics are whats cannon Zahit, not a bio that has stats a power listings that contradict tons of evadance. Seriously, why not post a hero clix battle for your reasoning as to who would win? Makes about as much sense.
Originally posted by Zahit
So comics are canon?
O.K.
Spiderman whooped Firelord.
Can Wolverine handle a herald of Galactus?
No.
End of debate.
Have a nice weekend.
Later.
Sheesh! Thats why we ignore PIS! If you want to bring crap like that up Wolverine has cut Thanos... with bone claws no less. He also survived nuke and fought Gladiator for six days straight. Its not a hard concept to grasp.
<<<-You're still missing my point, spiderman has no need to go head2head with wolverine, and he doesn't need to touch the skeleton. He isn't the hulk, spiderman hardly relies on brute strength anyway, its just that people seem to underrate it.->>>
that was your point? really? sorry man but if that indeed was your point...you did a horrible job of trying to convey it....the point at hand regardless of whether or not if it was yours or mine or whoever...was that spiderman's strength and brute force (i.e. punches and kicks) will pretty much be useless against wolverine simply due to his attributes....
now to your point. though it's true spiderman doesn't need to get caught in a hand to hand confrontation he usually does as shwon in 95 % of his fights...in any case....wolverine doesn't need to be chasing him up walls either...
<<<-And dont hate on evil cap, he is perhaps the best on our side, and I'm still trying to be a shitty debator remember.->>>
no...you're definitely better.
<<<-I don't see you making fun of Nataku's posts, maybe its because he would outscan your ass, and puts his points and wants you to counter them, but if you guys are too scared to I understand, some of us like to skip great points, or dismiss them as no big deal.->>>
Nataku's far more compitent than some of the members of this board...he's given me no reason to make fun of him...
as far as his posts go...they're a couple of bios with some stats....I hardly see how I'm supposed to debate bios...and I've already debated stats.....
<<---Spiderman beats wolverine in : Strength, Dexterity, Intelligence, and Wisdom, has equilibrium, spider sense, wall crawling, webbing, agility, and is a better problem solver, better yet I made one of these lists already which had more than this on it.-->>
see this is exactly what I was talking about...you keep saying in simple terms...spiderman's better.....but you have nothing to back it up.....yes he has more strength...against wolverine however...it's a non-factor...if spiderman knew how to hit wolverine...and where rather than just "bashing away" as he admittedly fights...his strength would matter...if his punches were tactically precise....but they aren't he just hits away at whats in front of him...that doesn't make him dumb or anything...his fighting abilitie's just suffered from absolutely no formal training...
dextirity is graceful movement..while spiderman's comes naturaly (or unnaturally depending on how one would view his powers) wolverine can be just as graceful...it comes with the training he's had..he's proven to be just as impressive as spiderman if not moreso.....just because he's limited by his strength while spiderman's strength allows him to jump higher etc....it doesn't mean he's better in the field of dextirity... he just has more strength to make his movements more exadurated....
unless you're talking about the definition which states something about "skills....especially in the uses of the hand" the advantage goes to wolverine...the guys been trained to use every weapon ever made from the last century onward....his most effective weapons are on his hands....how is that a spiderman advantage?
Intelligence..yeah that goes to spiderman too..but wolverine's intel does not lie withing book smarts...his intelligence is in battlefield tactics...there's a world of difference between the two...not to mention wolvierine's no idiot either....he's pretty damned smart infact....
Wisdom? so now the guy who's lived for over 100 years and was officially labeled as the conciounce of the x-men has less wisdom than the guy who still "looks up" to captain america?
hmmmm I'm not even going to begin to explain what's wrong with this theory...lol...
of course spiderman beats wolverine in: "spider sense: wolverine doesn't have one! what the hell? anyways....whats the point...spiderman's spidersense more often than not tells that danger is coming and from where....his body may or may not instinctively move according to it..but it's not infalable... the same way in which wolverine's senses while being super human are not....however his senses are far more reliable since his senses don't work at varying levels like spiderman's does....honestly the spidersense is a great defensive advantage to have...it's just not going to be all that helpful from a guy who can put literally weeks worth of fighting into a few short moments....with a constant barrage of spider-senses going off...petey's sue to slip up...in a close quarter confrontation...and that's if his body doesn't fatigue first..which it will anyways....spidersenses help spiderman avoid wolverine's sneak attacks...but in the same notion....spidey can't exactly sneak up on wolverine either.....
wall crawling...again...of course he wins here...that like saying wolverine beats spiderman in metal skeleton....of course he would spidey doesn't have one.....this is the exact same thing I was trying to argue in the deathstrike thread...wolverine's strength do no revolve around spiderman's strengths...but how effective is wall crawling if wolverine doesn't pursue him and instead falls back as not to get webbed?.....it's not really an advantage anymore...wolverine being a pretty damned good tactician himself could figure this out in a second if we could....
better problem solver? at school...yes....at personal life...debateable....in fights against villains...no...it's the same on both sides....
<<<"Spiderman has taken out the hulk, and embarrased the xmen if you want to use writing so much He can't escape a car, and being webbed up.">>>
what issue did spiderman beat the hulk in?
wolverine's literally ran through the x-men like they were amatures...
and yes he can escape a car...redwood>car weight......🙄
and being webbed....all he has to do is roll his wrists and viola he's out....unless spiderman completely cacooned him...which would be very hard to do considering the rate at which wolverine can swing those claws.....esp...considering the fact that spiderman's put wolvie in two very uncomprimising positions with webbing and wolverine broke out of both of them when he felt like it....
<<<-Spiderman has the strongest will, he is a more developed character, and has gone through more, this isn't even a discussion->>>
yes it is....wolverine as every bit as much will power and more...how would he take the kind of punishment he takes without losing consiousness if it wasn't for his willpower...like you guys said his healing factor and bones don't negate pain...his will to push beyond pain however...does....spiderman could hardly move after having his arm sprained...wolverine kept fighting cyber after he was gutted....where does the will power lie there?
as for being a more developted character...it depends on how you look at it...spiderman's had a longer time to develop while he's gone through little if any changes in his actual character...where as wolverine as gone bi-polar and back again with the development of his character....in either case character is not really a valid point for the arguement at hand...
<<<-Wolverine has only constiitution, and battle tactics, what will he do if spiderman avoid's him completely and decides to take it up a level.->>>
what will spidey do if wolverine attempts the same thing in response?
<<<-But Spider-Man is great when it comes to studying his opponent. So maybe after losing a fight with Wolvie, he'll come back with another strategy. It's always been his trademark. That is the reason I think Spidey wins this 7 out of 10!->>>
dude are you aware yo've just admitted spiderman loses the fight in question?
"I never denied that a building fell on Firelord (that was btw thanks to SM, who was using his brains), I disagree however with the so called fact that this weakened Firelord.
I am still waiting for one convincing picture... it's a bit strange that Jinzin, who is always the first to show us his biased and very very carefully chosen scans, now, all of a sudden, hesitates to prove me wrong."
I mean, if it is that obvious that Firelord was really weakened, why not prove me wrong with some pics, call me a nitwit and be over with it ?"
hesitation nothing..I just choose not to bust out one of my older and more valuable comics to simply waste my time on you...
dude like I said...whats the point? by saying what you just said...youve just inadvertantly admitted that spiderman's punches are more powerful than an explosion that would level a city block........that he has more brute force in his fists alone than the thousands of tons of brick, cement, and debris of a falling building.....that spiderman can take on firelord with no plot device or circumstances to help him whatsoever...that firelord holding back had nothing to do with it, spidey would have beaten firelord even if he had been going all out....that getting rid of firelords most versatile weapon and getting him to fight in a h2h fight when he severly lacks any formal h2h fighting skills or even h2h experience that spiderman's had, has nothing to do with the fact that he won.....that says it all right there....
even then....lets use the spiderfanboy logic...lets go nuts!!!! adamantium wolverine> bone claw wolverine> thanos> spiderman> firelord> nuke!
OK this has gone on for QUITE a while and I can understand why. Wolverine is QUITE the unbeatable character most of the time. But I'm guessing that everyone who's posting here is VERY familiar with WHAT Wolverine and Spider-man CAN'T DO!
Regardless of the ONE picture of Wolverine CASUALLY disregarding the webbing how many times has it been shown to hold when the power exerted is far more than what Wolverine is capable of producing?
Literally thousands.
Speeding vehicles are stopped by ONE STRAND of webbing. Despite their speed the vehicles are stopped. The fastest vehicle that I can use as an example was a flying saucer that was disabled by Darkhawk and sped toward a crowd of onlookers. Spider-mans webbing didn't snap as he planted his feet, stating that he had to use his powers to anchor himself, and swung the AIRCRAFT harmlessly into a dumpster.
Since when has Wolverine been able to produce speed superior to a runaway aircraft or power greater than it's momentum?
Everyone should be familiar with the death of Gwen Stacy. She fell off of the bridge and Spider-man caught her with his webbing. The momentum snapped her neck but the webbing held.
How can Wolverine, in a stationary position, produce force and speed greater than that of a body in freefall?
If the webbing were as weak as it was made to appear in the panel where Wolverine tore through with his sub par strength, Spider-man would constantly be falling because he uses his Superhuman strength to PULL it while web-slinging around.
The strength of the webbing and Spider-mans versatility with it is VERY well known and most people who read Spider-man comics know what it can and can't do.
Wolverine CAN cut Spidey's webbing but his arms CAN be immobilized by it negating his ABILITY to USE his claws to CUT it.
He can't tear through it when a speeding aircraft can't SNAP two STRANDS of it.
He CAN'T get off of the defensive if Spidey wants to stay out of h2h range and just keeps jumping and firing webbing at him.
He CAN dodge the webbing but not for LONG because Spidey CAN hit fast moving small targets from a GREAT distance (Gwen Stacey) and is a sure shot at close range.
The webbing consistency CAN be changed on the fly and it IS almost as fast as a bullet in most of its forms. (he SHOOTS it remember)
The reason Wolverine needs some special circumstances to win is because he IS somewhat of a one trick pony as far as heroes go.
No disrespect but his only method of attack is to cut things, get mad, and cut things up a lot faster. He's not that strong and that's not good vs webbing. And like I said before it wouldn't be hard for Spidey to web-throw him into something high voltage using his bones as a wonderful conducter. KO.
Wolverines ONLY attack option is to.....cut things.
Spider-man wins.
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Originally posted by The MISTERlet me get a hit mister
OK this has gone on for QUITE a while and I can understand why. Wolverine is QUITE the unbeatable character most of the time. But I'm guessing that everyone who's posting here is VERY familiar with WHAT Wolverine and Spider-man CAN'T DO!Regardless of the ONE picture of Wolverine CASUALLY disregarding the webbing how many times has it been shown to hold when the power exerted is far more than what Wolverine is capable of producing?
Literally thousands.
Speeding vehicles are stopped by ONE STRAND of webbing. Despite their speed the vehicles are stopped. The fastest vehicle that I can use as an example was a flying saucer that was disabled by Darkhawk and sped toward a crowd of onlookers. Spider-mans webbing didn't snap as he planted his feet, stating that he had to use his powers to anchor himself, and swung the AIRCRAFT harmlessly into a dumpster.
Since when has Wolverine been able to produce speed superior to a runaway aircraft or power greater than it's momentum?
Everyone should be familiar with the death of Gwen Stacy. She fell off of the bridge and Spider-man caught her with his webbing. The momentum snapped her neck but the webbing held.
How can Wolverine, in a stationary position, produce force and speed greater than that of a body in freefall?
If the webbing were as weak as it was made to appear in the panel where Wolverine tore through with his sub par strength, Spider-man would constantly be falling because he uses his Superhuman strength to PULL it while web-slinging around.
The strength of the webbing and Spider-mans versatility with it is VERY well known and most people who read Spider-man comics know what it can and can't do.
Wolverine CAN cut Spidey's webbing but his arms CAN be immobilized by it negating his ABILITY to USE his claws to CUT it.
He can't tear through it when a speeding aircraft can't SNAP two STRANDS of it.
He CAN'T get off of the defensive if Spidey wants to stay out of h2h range and just keeps jumping and firing webbing at him.
He CAN dodge the webbing but not for LONG because Spidey CAN hit fast moving small targets from a GREAT distance (Gwen Stacey) and is a sure shot at close range.
The webbing consistency CAN be changed on the fly and it IS almost as fast as a bullet in most of its forms. (he SHOOTS it remember)
The reason Wolverine needs some special circumstances to win is because he IS somewhat of a one trick pony as far as heroes go.
No disrespect but his only method of attack is to cut things, get mad, and cut things up a lot faster. He's not that strong and that's not good vs webbing. And like I said before it wouldn't be hard for Spidey to web-throw him into something high voltage using his bones as a wonderful conducter. KO.
Wolverines ONLY attack option is to.....cut things.
Spider-man wins.
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