Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

what a well said argument...let me start off by saying that...

anywho.....most of what you just argued for with the webbing was irrelivent as most of said webbing feats were not feats produced through the actions of organic webbing which spiderman currently uses..... in any case....spiderman's webbing can hold things very well...I won't deny that...but the fact is that the strength of the webbing is a not a factor when compared to sharpness and ability TO CUT from the admantium blades of wolverine... can wolverine produce more momentum than a body in free fall? no...but here's where I'm coming from....you can use a rope to tie yourself and jump off of a tree branch with it..the rope doesn't break, the branch doesn't break......you grab the same rope and use raw strength to pull down the tree branch and eventually you bend and contort the branch downwards until it snaps or is forever distorted....my point....momentum and power are related but still different....still capible of producing varied results.... in any case...even with spiderman's non-organic webbing...he's limited to what he can do to wolverine as well.....since we're using some of spiderman's best feats, i see no problem with wolverine using his best....again..spiderman can hold wolverine down with enough webbing..but he has to immobilize wolverine's claws to do it...considering wolverine's speed it will be a hard task to accomplish.......I'm not saying he can't do it...just that he can't do it to wolverine on average....the webbing hits wolverine? fine like I said all the guy has to do his roll his wrists in a circle an he's free (unless in crucifix position).... the chances that spiderman will completely incapacitate wolverine or immobilize him via webbing are about the same as the possibility of wolverine cutting right through the stuff....you said wolverine can't cut through it? I disagree...the webbing is not indestrucible or anything of the sort...sabretooth cut through it with his organic claws...wolverine would shred the stuff...spidey can keep pouring it on....but it's a gamble if wolverine's there ripping through it...he runs the risk of running out of webbing and being left open to attack....wolverine should be able to dodge webbing with ease..even if he is tagged one slash and he's free again....he had to emply the same tactics when he wasn't empowered with adamantium....in his agent missions he would wait for the opportune time to strike....this applies to spidey with web cartradges for sure...
and I wouldn't say his webbing is anywhere near bullet speed it's fast...but not that fast....that's the equivelant of me saying wolverine is indeed faster than spiderman.....i've seen people catch the webbing, or throw somethng infront of it, that ain't catchin bullets anytime soon....that said we all know HOW spiderman has to position his hands in order o shoot webbing...this in itself is an immediate tip off to what he's planning to do... again...considering wolverine can and has anticapted the movements of opponents far superior to spiderman in speed what would stop him from anticiapating spiderman's?

Originally posted by jinzin
what a well said argument...let me start off by saying that...

anywho.....most of what you just argued for with the webbing was irrelivent as most of said webbing feats were not feats produced through the actions of organic webbing which spiderman currently uses..... in any case....spiderman's webbing can hold things very well...I won't deny that...but the fact is that the strength of the webbing is a not a factor when compared to sharpness and ability TO CUT from the admantium blades of wolverine... can wolverine produce more momentum than a body in free fall? no...but here's where I'm coming from....you can use a rope to tie yourself and jump off of a tree branch with it..the rope doesn't break, the branch doesn't break......you grab the same rope and use raw strength to pull down the tree branch and eventually you bend and contort the branch downwards until it snaps or is forever distorted....my point....momentum and power are related but still different....still capible of producing varied results.... in any case...even with spiderman's non-organic webbing...he's limited to what he can do to wolverine as well.....since we're using some of spiderman's best feats, i see no problem with wolverine using his best....again..spiderman can hold wolverine down with enough webbing..but he has to immobilize wolverine's claws to do it...considering wolverine's speed it will be a hard task to accomplish.......I'm not saying he can't do it...just that he can't do it to wolverine on average....the webbing hits wolverine? fine like I said all the guy has to do his roll his wrists in a circle an he's free (unless in crucifix position).... the chances that spiderman will completely incapacitate wolverine or immobilize him via webbing are about the same as the possibility of wolverine cutting right through the stuff....you said wolverine can't cut through it? I disagree...the webbing is not indestrucible or anything of the sort...sabretooth cut through it with his organic claws...wolverine would shred the stuff...spidey can keep pouring it on....but it's a gamble if wolverine's there ripping through it...he runs the risk of running out of webbing and being left open to attack....wolverine should be able to dodge webbing with ease..even if he is tagged one slash and he's free again....he had to emply the same tactics when he wasn't empowered with adamantium....in his agent missions he would wait for the opportune time to strike....this applies to spidey with web cartradges for sure...
and I wouldn't say his webbing is anywhere near bullet speed it's fast...but not that fast....that's the equivelant of me saying wolverine is indeed faster than spiderman.....i've seen people catch the webbing, or throw somethng infront of it, that ain't catchin bullets anytime soon....that said we all know HOW spiderman has to position his hands in order o shoot webbing...this in itself is an immediate tip off to what he's planning to do... again...considering wolverine can and has anticapted the movements of opponents far superior to spiderman in speed what would stop him from anticiapating spiderman's?

Well met j. I expected no less 😎

Just so we're on the same page none of my posts refer to the enhanced version of Spider-man. I know he had surpassed the ten ton mark before that enhancement but cannot say that he was acredited for surpassing that and therefore cannot assume that he's capable of more than that. (for me at least Spider-man didn't need these phony enhancements to be a formidable opponent).

And if I messed up, my bad. I thought I wrote that wolverine CAN cut it but CAN'T tear it. If his arms are immobilized he can spin his wrists, but he still can't get free from the elbow up.

And Spider-man is quite adept at anticapating attacks as well and has as much or more (considering he has no healing factor) experience as wolverine evading lethal attacks.

He has so many different methods of securing victories on opponents that are far more powerful than him that I give him the edge in this match up, though Wolverine is a truly worthy adversary.

Peace bro. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by The MISTER
Well met j. I expected no less 😎

Just so we're on the same page none of my posts refer to the enhanced version of Spider-man. I know he had surpassed the ten ton mark before that enhancement but cannot say that he was acredited for surpassing that and therefore cannot assume that he's capable of more than that. (for me at least Spider-man didn't need these phony enhancements to be a formidable opponent).

And if I messed up, my bad. I thought I wrote that wolverine CAN cut it but CAN'T tear it. If his arms are immobilized he can spin his wrists, but he still can't get free from the elbow up.

And Spider-man is quite adept at anticapating attacks as well and has as much or more (considering he has no healing factor) experience as wolverine evading lethal attacks.

He has so many different methods of securing victories on opponents that are far more powerful than him that I give him the edge in this match up, though Wolverine is a truly worthy adversary.

Peace bro. 😮‍💨

Where was this, basic terms?

I answered WOLVERINEFANS question, like he had set it up, and it was basic, the backgrounds that both nataku and zahit put up were dismissed, as it shows what wolverine is capable of and , not what he has been shown to do.

Wolverine's healing factor is great, but he doesn't just take injuries all day without recovery, his is lower than hulks, but higher than deathstrokes keep it this way. He has spent many a time recuperating and unconscious, but he is back in fighting shape, but I have already explicitly explained, that spiderman does not need to engage him hand to hand, or hit his skeleton, actually he would do more damage without making contact.

Get this, wolverine's skeleton is indestructable, the stronger the material, the less it absorbs the impact for what it is protecting. Cars in older days did not bend as much, but the driver would take more damage simply because the car would not give in and absorb more of the force, causing a greater reaction on the driver, every action gets the same action back and the force has to be applied somewhere. Since this is logic, i will just say that the body does not absorb all the damage by the skeleton, even in wolverine's case and much less so, it just prevents penetration, spiderman does not penetrate, his force is concussive. His bones and his healing factor are one together, so spiderman does more by not penetrating though an area, unless its the stomach, and he can pull organs killing wolverine.

Weve been through, Pressure=force times area, a long tree that is covering my body on one spot of its entire section, is much easier to move than a small car putting its entire weight on the body. Similar to lifting a heavy person is easier than lifting a weight that much, because you aren't usually lifting all of their weight.

I never meant for you to tell off nataku, but to debate his posts. 🙂

Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
there is no way spiderman has gone through more than wolverine. spiderman's pain is merely a scratch compared to wolverine's. and no, he is not a more developed character. logan has the best character story in all of marvel. all the writers have said this. wolverine's will is stronger. he has never given up once. he will fight anyone no matter what the odds and and has always survived. and if spiderman is so powerful, how come when he punche wolverine, logan smiles? cuz wolverine loves pain! he is used to it. he has healed from hundreds of concussions and can certainly heal from a spider punch. even if spiderman were to hit him, peter's hands would crack, and would need a cast for 10 weeks

he doesn't have a more developed character, spiderman shows more events and his life sucks like us, making him the most popular comic character, not wolverine, you want him to be.

Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
what i said was common sense, not fanboy %&*$.

where, you make spidey come off as a wuss, he has ripped Iron Man's 2020's armor, and has hit wolverine, and doesn't hurt his hand that much as you make it seem, I mean he has taken doc ocks weapong, and they are much deadlier, besides there is flesh on that metal. 😉

You know Mitchell, for a guy who wanted so badly to argue "realism" that's not the best point you could make.

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
You know Mitchell, for a guy who wanted so badly to argue "realism" that's not the best point you could make.

sleep1

Who also thinks that teh power grid is a joke. Wolverine and Spidey have the same level in strength??? WTF???

This Handbooks suck

a more experienced spidey could be a challange but when he first got his powers wolvie would of tore him to shreds

no the charts of 4 range from 800lbs to 25tons, but look at the organ part......

we are talking about the most experienced spidey, think more current.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Sigh... a bio as evidance. The comics are whats cannon Zahit, not a bio that has stats a power listings that contradict tons of evadance. Seriously, why not post a hero clix battle for your reasoning as to who would win? Makes about as much sense.

No bio's show more of what the characters are capable of, not what writers want them to do. We want to use what has messed some comics up, souping up characters to please fans...........

Spiderman is way more dextrous than wolverine could hope to be.

By stats his are superhuman,and wolverines are peak human, though wolverine would make the better chef.

Dexterity is balance, hand eye coordination, reflexes, equilibrium, and agility. Sure wolverine could fool people into thinking he was like spiderman, if he tried his hardest. Spiderman hardly tries when he moves, he does it subconsciously, and the way he swings along new york flawleesly, takes great balance, coordination,and skill, it is as hard as you swinging on vines, but you have to make your own lines.

Wolverine ran through the xmen in a sneak attack when he entered the ;mansion, cyclops has shown greater against the like of several xmen, there are too many wolverine could not defeat.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
No bio's show more of what the characters are capable of, not what writers want them to do. We want to use what has messed some comics up, souping up characters to please fans...........

The best bios were the ones from the 80s IMO.It was Marvel just making sense of their chaarcters after a good 30 years and for the most part they were pretty good.In more recent times on the marvel site they have had a MORONIC set of stats that seemed assigned with a dartboard rather than any well written comic.They have had things like Mr.Fantastic being MORE agile than Spiderman and Apocalpyse ranking up there in stats with guys like Thor 🙄

I posted those stats somwhere earlier,look on page 2 of this thread, and you'll see the original spidey and logan, before one of them was tainted with bs....

I like the old stats too, it was when marvel cared about accuracy, and other things besides money.

Spiderman wins. He got long range attacks (his web that he can shoot out like a gun),and Spiderman can wrap Wolverine in his web and just beat him to he can't take no more.

Hes far stornger then Wolverine aswell, Wolverine can only lift about 800lbs while Spiderman is lifting 15 tons they are far apart in strength. To add with his strength hes got greater speed, reflexes, balance, equilibruim, coordination, and agilitiy.

Wolverine is just out classed in this fight.

🙂

Don't use simple stats you're making it look like woverine doesn't have a chance 😂 .

Seriously, spiderman has way too many options, and they want wolverine to fight how it bests suits him,or go by inconsistencies inhis writing.

<<<-"And if I messed up, my bad. I thought I wrote that wolverine CAN cut it but CAN'T tear it. If his arms are immobilized he can spin his wrists, but he still can't get free from the elbow up."->>>

well yeah if wolverine is webbed up at the elbow's he's basically screwed...but again...that would be implying that his arms are in a ridiculously uncomprimising position to begin with up against a wall....why would he be like that? lol....I get what you're saying and I agree...the problem is getting wolverine there in the first place...

<<<-And Spider-man is quite adept at anticapating attacks as well and has as much or more (considering he has no healing factor) experience as wolverine evading lethal attacks.->>>
well i wouldn't say this...wolverine doesn't run head on into EVERYTHING...he does avoid fire lazers and other weapons of the sort....as far as bullets go, wolverine had to dodge and evade said weapons for nearly 100 years....I'm not so sure spiderman has more experience than that...he just has an enhanced sense which helps him avoid said blows....

<<<-He has so many different methods of securing victories on opponents that are far more powerful than him that I give him the edge in this match up, though Wolverine is a truly worthy adversary.->>>
I agree....but...(yes the inevitable "but" lol)....although wolverine generally only uses one weapon of choice...being himself..it is an entirely effective meathod for taking down the same kinds of opponents...it's a meathod that works....not that spiderman's don't I just feel you're selling wolvie short here...no pun intended lol...

<<<-Peace bro."->>>

you too man...

<<<-"Spiderman is way more dextrous than wolverine could hope to be."->>>

again...how? he can jump higher and has good agility..that doesn't make him any more dexterious...(or graceful) wolverine can be just as.....

<<<-By stats his are superhuman,and wolverines are peak human, though wolverine would make the better chef.->>>

by stats marvel's finally acknowledged what we knew all along...that wolverine brings more to the battlefield than spidey despite his lack of ranged weaponry...hmmmmm 🙄

<<<-"Dexterity is balance, hand eye coordination, reflexes, equilibrium, and agility. Sure wolverine could fool people into thinking he was like spiderman, if he tried his hardest."->>>

ummmm 😕 if you had read the book...it's pretty damn clear wolverine isn't exactly going all out to impress the rubes....he's not exactly tried by the end of it either....

<<<-Spiderman hardly tries when he moves, he does it subconsciously, and the way he swings along new york flawleesly, takes great balance, coordination,and skill, it is as hard as you swinging on vines, but you have to make your own lines.->>>
no it's not....unless you make my bodyweight about 1/20th of my comparitive strength level....makes it quite a BIT easier huh?

<<<-Wolverine ran through the xmen in a sneak attack when he entered the ;mansion, cyclops has shown greater against the like of several xmen, there are too many wolverine could not defeat.->>>

but when spiderman fights a bunch of surprised and confused x-men who are trying to subdue him rather than hurt him that's so much more solid as evidence than wolverine's said feat? okay whatever....🙄
how about the time wolverine ran through hordes of superheroes in wolverine 136?

<<<-The best bios were the ones from the 80s IMO.It was Marvel just making sense of their chaarcters after a good 30 years and for the most part they were pretty good.In more recent times on the marvel site they have had a MORONIC set of stats that seemed assigned with a dartboard rather than any well written comic.They have had things like Mr.Fantastic being MORE agile than Spiderman and Apocalpyse ranking up there in stats with guys like Thor ->>>

wow......😱 we finally agree on something....though I do think that apocalypse could very easily compare to thor.

<<<-"Don't use simple stats you're making it look like woverine doesn't have a chance"->>>

funny how you guys only want to use the selective stats hat make spiderman look superior...when marvel's made a more comprehensive stats list that states wolverine's above spiderman on a battlefield....but hey let's alllll just disregard that for no other reason than the fact that it shows wolverine above spiderman....HE CAN'T BE! HE CAN'T BE!!!! lol.....(shakes head)
anyways......
<<<"Seriously, spiderman has way too many options, and they want wolverine to fight how it bests suits him,or go by inconsistencies inhis writing.'->>>
😂 hey like cresh already said..wolverine kicking spiderman's ass one on one is anything but inconsistant....

HAHHAHAHAAHHA!! All this "you're ignoring the stats" talk, and then when far more complete stats (which support what Wolvie supporters have been saying all along) are shown it's all "those stats don't matter cause we don't like them."