Originally posted by CorderaMitchellWolverine lied, as was later shown in the second fight.
And spiderman decided not to break his neck, too bad you can't discern what you read.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellStop taking the claws from him or I'm going to start taking spiderman's webing from him.
Wolverine isn't generating the leverage to get out of the webbing, this argument is done, he's just trying to avoid MISTER's argument, and recycle old stuff.
<<<<"Jinzin, you're always bitching "Why does everyone say my scans and opinions are biased?." Well its because THEY ARE!!!.">>>
exactly you don't know how they are and you can't explain why so you just state "THEY ARE" well I guess if you said it must be the gospel truth....pfffft...or not....they're biased in your opinion because you don't like what's happening in them....mainly spidey getting his ass kicked...if showing fights from beginning to end is biased than paint me red with quilt cause I must obviously be biased then....🙄 HA!
<<<<"THAT and whenever some argument concerns one of your characters(wolverine for example), you go to all means, showing facts and inconsistencies to prove your points. Anyone worth their weight in salt, can see right through that crap.">>>
as opposed to our examples you can't prove or back up in any way....
<<<<<<"http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...ge+vs+Wolverine">>>>>
ah yes....one comment I made a couple months after coming here clearly takes precedence over the many many times that I stated carnage would ass rape logan.....
<<<"But you go forth and do it against, carnage, and godzilla.">>>>
ummmm aside from that one instance vs. about a half dozen afterwards I never further claimed that wolverine would beat carnage...unless he had a BBQ....and that was a joke....I however, have never mentioned that wolverine could kill godzilla...where you got that from I don't even know....
<<<<"As I love to see you cater to the shitty notions of fanboys, whats worse is you cant' smell shit writing. Period, when it involves batman and wolverine at least. All I get from you and cresh is," it happened". Pfft, thats a shit argument, you have no way to support or explain your ridiculous claims, ever. Then you repeat them, wolveirne stalemated the hulk. If you believe that, you are farther from help than I EVER COULD HAVE IMAGINED.">>>>
so every time wolverine or batman does something halfway impressive it's obviously shit writing.... 🙄 actually I explain my arguments quite well...you can't follow trains of thought so I don't expect you to understand them.....so wait.....if I believe that a fictional character accomplished a fictional feat in a fictional life experience during a fictional life, on a fictional world, in a fictional universe, inspired by someones fictional take on reality.....that's ridiculous because if you disagree it obviously didn't happen?......😕 there's that good ol cordera logic......in any case "it happened" is a much better argument than..."don't use this, don't use that"....cause it makes spiderman look bad...
<<<"On top of that, you don't mention things when it comes to the character you're arguing. Like how come it took 160 pages to finally admit Amazo was weakened when batman beat him? Your pics on that thread are so ridiculous, as they just discredit each other.">>>
again......how are they ridiculous...how do they discredit eachother?.....and no i quickly admitted that amazo was weakened....but he was still LEAGUES more powerful than spidey in that state....LEAGUES....
<<<<"I loooooooooove how you guys only answer to points YOU THINK you can counter. Nice try, I see through that shit too, I asked you explicitly, if spiderman could keep out of wolverine's reach, then he could discard him, no different than superman could discard the hulk. It was ignored, you think I forgot?">>>>
i answer as many questions as I can given my time and such...I can't get them all..in answer to your pathetic question...yes spiderman can stay out of his reach....
<<<<"Another thing, trains of thought, man please. ;I've been explaining proficiency types for the longest, and all I get is a bunch of half competent opponents who know jack about them. You can't explain them, because they are over your head. You tried to take what merc said and use it about cars doing less damage than martial artists hits. When I popped that , you finally realized it was a lesser collision.">>>>
ummm no....you started making up in your head what the expirement was and how it was performed and comapared...without seeing the material in question...and then decided you were right though having no proof...as you never ever do....
<<<<"Funny thing is, I've been smacking you around more and more since my arrival, I and OTHERS see that very well.">>>>
funny thing is you actually believe that.
<<<"You get backed up on a wall"best debators thread", and you spit more and more, and it really makes you sound like an ass. Most of your arguments on your side are," Marvel doesn't agree,pfft ." Man that shit is old, tired, and lame. That convinces not me, my team, new people, or guests who read this board before they join, it makes YOU look like the ass.">>>
you've never backed me up on a wall...don't flatter yourself....
<<<"I'm tired of ***** arguments to get around my points. "wolvie hater", no, I hate guys like you who go at no end to defend him.">>>
you mean like how you do for spidey and the sf characters?
<<<"OWNAGE , ownage you mean like in the batman spiderman thread, where I, and noone else started bringing in new elements like proficiencies, counter types, and damage by velocity to shut up your shitty notions of "batman is the better fighter", and since page 148, where there were a whole load of people who came on and agreed with every word i said, the thread MYSTERIOUSLY got less popular, and people started backing off. That thread? Even Wanderer doesn't come on that much, and he was the only one worth arguing. The only people there are a Warner brothers employee/DC fanboy, and a guy who wants to see spiderman lose(you). I argue for you and even water down my posts, as I see your lack of intelligence prevents you from answering a question, that thread? Yea I'm just playing with my food, as I see you and life are just arguing for the hell of it. I revived that thread foolishly by putting up pics, and it started over.">>>>
actually before I stopped consistantly posting on that threa batman was down by a measily 6% when I stopped arguing in his favor day after day the gap got farthur....after coming back to it...he got three votes in a day...obviously my arguments in batman's favor are working to some extent...and PUHLEASE! I kicked the crap out of you and your pathetic arguments for 3 days straight my homely friend....and I needent resort to adding "aliens and polar bears" in the mix... 🙄 much less claiming there's two different versions of spiderman like you tried to do for batman...yeah a very solid argument you have there... 🙄
<<<"OWNAGE: this thread, the thread where anyone of decent reasoning can see that spiderman wins, EVEN 4 WOLVERINE FANBOYS!! This thread I had shut down for 6 days! The ONLY reason it came back up, is because I put that pic up of wolverine, and you started all over with yours. Too bad you can't reason what you put up, eh? This thread where, I convinced 4 people 2 days ago, while your sarcasm could not, and everyone mysteriously logged off and came back at 1am to start up, after i left. That friend is ownage.">>>
maybe in your mind....you actually believe that....pffft.....
<<<"Or how about that little thread SFvsMKvsKI. The one where you knew nothing of KI, and resorted to a poor argument which had nothing to do with the characters mentioned. Like AC said, your tendencies to irrelevancy is annoying. That thread, where I came on and shut it down, in three days. The last page was people telling me they tipped their hat to me, where were you?">>>>
probably with my girl.....I actually know alot about KI..as opposed to you who couldn't answer a single damned question...how would any of the SF characters beat the shadow priests? HOW? they can't! hence SF loses....BAD.
<<<"How how about that thread I made just for me and you. Scorpion vs. Shin Gouki. The one where you foolishly tried to argue that Scorpion projectiles are better than the ones of a character that could destroy an island. How about that one? Where you started saying it was an attempt to " sock it to you" out of spite, because you had no argument. The one where you got to a no point, about is Akuma a sorcerer or not. Again like AC said your tendencies to be annoying are due to your irrelevancies. I DID find you annoying in that topic, and you did admit I was right, you just liked scorpion too much.">>>>
ummm the sorceror thing sn't irrevlevant...what can beat scorpion and put him down for the count? sub-zero, and magic....akuma doesn't have either one of these at his disposal...at which point you brought up how they were like magicians/sorcerors in the SF world...quite pathetic really as I shot the shit out of that argument as well....and no scorpions projectiles are not more powerful than akuma's...just more useful.....akuma can die...scorpion can't.....akuma projectile...can't kill scorpion....scorpion projectile...can kill akuma....there was a point..you missed it...AGAIN....
<<<"You think that swinging off of Cresh's balls will help because he is back, and I see more frequency and pride off of your posts now. Thats funny, because last i checked, a "pfft whatever", and rolleyes are hardly an argument, especially when one of you don't get around to answering a question. Following me in other threads to spite me just shows how much of a C-hater you are.">>>>
I've never folloew you in any thread...HAHAHAHAHAHA you MUST be dilusional if you think I don't have anything better to do than stalk you to the next thread and tear you apart there...you're not my obsession cordera.....besides what your ego may be telling you...
<<<<<"Don't worry, I won't make you look like an ass anymore, as I'll probably ignore your posts to this thread, seeing as they will all be lies to protect your ego, and keep you from looking like an ass.">>>>
said the pot to the kettle...
<<<"Next time do a spell-check, but wait you are a C-hater, thats one of their qualities, they have the spelling of a third grader.">>>
as opposed to the c-master himself who has the mental capacity of a third grader....
<<<<"Just be sure to know who to send that fathers day card to, seeing as everyone knows who your daddy is.">>>>
it ain't you so don't hold your breath...though I know you really want me to send you some mail.....maybe you should try and get some from females instead..i don't swing for that team.....
Originally posted by willRules
Im not a Spider-man fanboy but I would still say spidey wins this if they fought in an empty arena cos of the stats comparison. Don't get me wrong you have put up some great reasons why you think Wolverine can win this I just think Spidey wins (in my opinion.) 🙂
qnd i will respect you and your opinion..everyone is entitled to their own...(this next part isn't directed at you) that however, is no reason to discard FACTS.
Also, Cresh, you're declaring anything that hasnt come out of the cross-overs, etc. is not concrete, which is bogus. Versus threads like these can only be discussed out of what can be assumed based out of plain common sense, and you are simply calling it our opinon.
For example, it can be assumed that Spider-Man binds Logan's arms tightly in a manner in which he cannot use his claws for release. This makes sense due to the observed conditions that apply in the comics, but have never occured in the crossovers directly.
Wolverine would have a hard time hitting Spider-Man, leaving Spider-Man oppurtunity to get close. You may not be able to break the neck, but the bones are rendered usless if there is no muscle functioning. Leaving Wolverine vunerable for Spider-Man to destroy while Wolvering idly heals, unable to move.
Well this has gotten to be a very very entertaining thread but I have to point out a few things that have gotten lost amidst the slew of opinions that are detracting from the FACTS.
Fact #1 In order for Spider-man to lose his environmental advantage then this battle Must take place in a desert or a field or some place where there are no walls of any sort for him to crawl. If not he has an environmental advantage even in a domed arena.
Fact #2 Spider-man has ranged capabilities and Wolverine does not. With that being said Spidey can force Wolverine into defending himself by evading strands of webbing by either dodging or leaping. Also remember that Spider-man is an excellent tactician, has a superb aim, and has two web shooters to work with.
Fact #3 The thread is not 'Spider-man (with enhancements) vs Wolverine' therefore it is assumed that we are talking about Logan at his best with his trademark indestructable bones vs Peter Parker at his best and with his trademark web-shooters. If need be I'll start a new thread that specifies his use of the weapons that he has used since his origin. ( Is that really neccesary?)
Fact #4 Spider- man's manueverability is superior to Wolverines. He does not tire quickly and he does not smoke two packs a day. Why people think that he will exhaust as quickly as a middle aged man is unknown. his physiology is highly superior to that of Batman's and Captain America's. Fighting someone who has no ranged abilities to force his movement and speed and strength that are not superhuman will not exhaust him quickly
Fact #5 Wolverine can cut the webbing but that is his only option of dealing with it. It does not disentegrate for an hour and cannot be torn by a character that can not bench two tons. Wolverine can not bench one ton and therefore cannot free himself from being cocooned by the webbing.
Fact#6 Wolverine's offensive options are limited to h2h combat and his ability to jump quickly towards his opponent to engage in h2h combat. The fact that he is limited to ground based offensive tactics means that he MUST get close to go on the offense.
Fact#7When fighting an opponent with a ranged weapon that does not damage but hinders an opponents movement, getting close all but ensures that Wolverine will recieve copious amounts of webbing to the body and his movement WILL be hindered even if for a short while. Spider-man's aim with the webbing is extremely accurate at a great distance and he can hit small, quick moving targets from afar. Wolverine is not a small target.
Fact#8 Being hindered in ANY way by the webbing is as fatal for Wolverine as getting stabbed would be fatal for Spider-man. Slowing to cut webbing from his legs, eyes, mouth, or torso will make the option of completely cocooning Wolverine open to Spider-man, for Wolverine can not ignore having any of the aforementioned areas bound with even a small amount of webbing, especially the legs and face.
Fact #9 Even in an arena there is a far greater chance that Wolverine ( Who only has ground based attacks) is more continously open to being struck by webbing than Spider-man is open to being struck by Wolverines claws. More often than not Wolverine would eventually be cocooned.
Fact #10 Wolverine does not have sufficient strength to escape being cocooned and would be helpless encased completely in webbing. Spider-man wouldn't do it but he would have the option of casually wringing Wolverines neck, killing him.
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Those are the facts and they are based solely on what each character is capable of.
who missed this post?
Originally posted by CapComIn company crossovers that impact the story line worlds of the combatants INCLUDING a regular comics seris A.K.A the new avengers.
Also, Cresh, you're declaring anything that hasnt come out of the cross-overs, etc. is not concrete, which is bogus. Versus threads like these can only be discussed out of what can be assumed based out of plain common sense, and you are simply calling it our opinon.
Originally posted by CapComBecause He's just going to lets him? Or is he going to be clawing his way out at the same time?
For example, it can be assumed that Spider-Man binds Logan's arms tightly in a manner in which he cannot use his claws for release.
Originally posted by CapComLike Spiderman's opponents always strand still?
This makes sense due to the observed conditions that apply in the comics, but have never occured in the crossovers directly.
Originally posted by CapComRight. . .because spiderman coming in close has worked before. . .
Wolverine would have a hard time hitting Spider-Man, leaving Spider-Man oppurtunity to get close. You may not be able to break the neck, but the bones are rendered usless if there is no muscle functioning. Leaving Wolverine vunerable for Spider-Man to destroy while Wolvering idly heals, unable to move.
Oh that's right Wolverine heals fast. . .
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I know this was already brought up about 100 pages ago, but I feel that it needs to be seen again for all those people who believe that Spiderman's webbing will do absolutely nothing.Spidey webs up Wolvie. Fact.
Unless Wolverine was sleeping, which I doubt, he CLEARLY was not fast enough/strong enough to escape the webbing as it occurred, since the length of time it took to web was probably around 5-7 seconds long. So it seems that even given this window of opportunity, Wolvie still couldn't move fast enough to break free.In this picture, Wolvie is completely incapacitated. He pretty much says so himself.
sorry man but this is about as bias as it gets..you're totally discarding the fact that wolverine wasn't trying to fight spiderman....didn't have his claws out during the web assault....just got hit by an omega level mutant TWICE....and was attempting to talk to spiderman while spidey webbed him up in mid sentence...again..that's one instance that was implicated by circumstances....wolverine's on several occasions gotten the best of spidey with far less to NO circumstances at all......why then does this feat take precidence?