Originally posted by jinzinBecause it's in spiderman's favor.
sorry man but this is about as bias as it gets..you're totally discarding the fact that wolverine wasn't trying to fight spiderman....didn't have his claws out during the web assault....just got hit by an omega level mutant TWICE....and was attempting to talk to spiderman while spidey webbed him up in mid sentence...again..that's one instance that was implicated by circumstances....wolverine's on several occasions gotten the best of spidey with far less to NO circumstances at all......why then does this feat take precidence?
Originally posted by Metalmanx
So basically, he waited the several hours for the web to disentergrate.I can believe that. Being as it's the only way for him to do so.
actually I would post the pics..but my scans are so biased i dare not....wolverine basically just goes claws out in one hand it's enough to tilt his head and give one hand le-way then he starts slashing away and he's out in a few moments..nothing hard..nothin special...he could get out just fine...he just had to hurt himself to do so...and he was hoping it wouldn't have to come to that...
Originally posted by The MISTER
Eventually is vague...The sun will go out eventually. What you've been implying is that Spider-man will tire and that will be his downfall. How can Wolverine force Spider-man into exhaustion. If he was fighting the human torch is the torch retreating by staying out of Wolverine's striking distance? And how would Wolverine FORCE anything on an opponent out of his range?Oh yeah....you're still skipping it. 😮💨
you mean like when wolverine KOed HT by throwing black cats body at him so hard and so fat that he went flying into a water tower?
Jinzin how did you ever consider Creshosk's debating skills to be better than yours?
No offence Cresh but you have failed to rebut my post about the "facts" and even produced a sloppy implication that I was a fanboy.nono
I am almost positive that jinzin will at least attempt to rebut the post but if you continue to ignore it, I will have to assume that you cannot produce a rebutal.
Creshosk you should rebut or submit but you WILL do one or the other....
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Originally posted by The MISTERI already explaind that you fail to grasp the conceptual difference between opinion and Fact.
Jinzin how did you ever consider Creshosk's debating skills to be better than yours?No offence Cresh but you have failed to rebut my post about the "facts" and even produced a sloppy implication that I was a fanboy.nono
I am almost positive that jinzin will at least attempt to rebut the post but if you continue to ignore it, I will have to assume that you cannot produce a rebutal.
Creshosk you should rebut or submit but you WILL do one or the other....
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I could write a list of "facts" that were just MY opinion. And call them facts, this doesn't change them from being my opinion rather than fact just like your list of facts.
Like your obvious preference of WHO to debate is indicated by "fact" number three.
Originally posted by The MISTER
Jinzin how did you ever consider Creshosk's debating skills to be better than yours?No offence Cresh but you have failed to rebut my post about the "facts" and even produced a sloppy implication that I was a fanboy.nono
I am almost positive that jinzin will at least attempt to rebut the post but if you continue to ignore it, I will have to assume that you cannot produce a rebutal.
Creshosk you should rebut or submit but you WILL do one or the other....
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well he is better at debating than I am....he's able to more easily correlate points and how he got to those points than I do....my posts are often confusing.....well to cordera at least....
I will rebute it I just want to give it the proper attention to do so...
Originally posted by CreshoskSee what I mean j?
I already explaind that you fail to grasp the conceptual difference between opinion and Fact.I could write a list of "facts" that were just MY opinion. And call them facts, this doesn't change them from being my opinion rather than fact just like your list of facts.
Like your obvious preference of WHO to debate is indicated by "fact" number three.
Pathetic.
Originally posted by The MISTERI'm serious.
See what I mean j?Pathetic.
My point is proven by "fact" number three.
All characters are to be used as they are currently.
Spiderman (with enhancments) would indicate additional things given by the thread starter. Just as using Jean grey also refers to Phoenix, because they are one in the same. To refer to Jean grey WITHOUT the Phoenix abilities you have to indicate Jean Grey without the phoenix powers.
Why should I waste time attacking your opinion?
It's something I've already said I cannot attack, because you are entitled to a different opinion, even if it differs from objective truth.
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Originally posted by Tron
In most cases, the poster who originally set up the versus fight determines the conditions of the fight itself (ex. If a character like Superman is in a thread, it'll be assumed that it's the current version unless mentioned otherwise by the thread starter, the same goes with Thanos without the IG, and so on). However, in the cases where the original poster did not set down any contraints or conditions for the fight, then the match would default to the standard rules below.
Was the thread STARTED before or after the enhancments? this HAS been going on for a while but you really should be specific when dealing with me. I will start a new thread if need be because I was never reffering to a Spider-man that shot organic webbing.
If I were to start a thread specifying "classic" Spider-man I guess you would just avoid that. 🙄
You avoid what you want to..
Jinzin I look forward to your rebutal...
Creshosk you have submitted.
Originally posted by The MISTERWhy are we submitting to this though?
Was the thread STARTED before or after the enhancments? this HAS been going on for a while but you really should be specific when dealing with me. I will start a new thread if need be because I was never reffering to a Spider-man that shot organic webbing.If I were to start a thread specifying "classic" Spider-man I guess you would just avoid that. 🙄
You avoid what you want to..
Jinzin I look forward to your rebutal...
Creshosk you have submitted.
You proved to be wrong about number three.
What makes you so great that we are submitting to you? Your submission to us was flawed and failed.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Why are we submitting to this though?You proved to be wrong about number three.
What makes you so great that we are submitting to you? Your submission to us was flawed and failed.
I am not affected by this yammer.
You have submitted.
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Jinzin? are YOU creshosk?
No... That's not possible.....Is it?
<<<"Fact #1 In order for Spider-man to lose his environmental advantage then this battle Must take place in a desert or a field or some place where there are no walls of any sort for him to crawl. If not he has an environmental advantage even in a domed arena.">>>
I'll agree to this for the most part...but that fact still remains...if they are in a battleground with high walls...wolverine doesn't have to be dumb enough to attempt to engage him up on a wall where he can't follow anyways...if that's the case..wolverine can just as easily take cover behind a wall or tree until spiderman comes back down......that said i always envision these fights to take place out in the middle of bum****nowhere because that's truley a test of character vs. character at their best.....giving characters environmental advantages takes away from the logical nature of a one on one fight....much like how spiderman's disadvantage of holding back has been taken away from him for the purposes of these fights.
<<<"Fact #2 Spider-man has ranged capabilities and Wolverine does not. With that being said Spidey can force Wolverine into defending himself by evading strands of webbing by either dodging or leaping. Also remember that Spider-man is an excellent tactician, has a superb aim, and has two web shooters to work with.">>>
true again...however, again his ranged capabilities are nullified by wolverine's claws....sabretooth's done this, lizards done this, and ummm wolverine's done this.....while spiderman's a decent tactician wolverine's better.....and classic spiderman's web cartridges run out....considering the likelyhood spiderman has to work with of incapicating wolverine via webbing before that happens, it's pretty safe to assume that he'll run out before this fights finished...
Fact #3
<<<"I kinda agreed with cresh here..that's not really a fact...">>>
<<<"Fact #4 Spider- man's manueverability is superior to Wolverines. He does not tire quickly and he does not smoke two packs a day. Why people think that he will exhaust as quickly as a middle aged man is unknown. his physiology is highly superior to that of Batman's and Captain America's. Fighting someone who has no ranged abilities to force his movement and speed and strength that are not superhuman will not exhaust him quickly">>>
no wolverine will not do exhaust spiderman quickly...but that does not change thefact that in the long run wolverine will exhaust him...especially if this were to get into a h2h...as we've already seen how fatigued spidey was from his encounter with logan...
<<<"Fact #5 Wolverine can cut the webbing but that is his only option of dealing with it. It does not disentegrate for an hour and cannot be torn by a character that can not bench two tons. Wolverine can not bench one ton and therefore cannot free himself from being cocooned by the webbing.">>>>
actually he can cut it, take cover (assuming environment), and evade it completely.
<<<"Fact#6 Wolverine's offensive options are limited to h2h combat and his ability to jump quickly towards his opponent to engage in h2h combat. The fact that he is limited to ground based offensive tactics means that he MUST get close to go on the offense.">>>
true but again he doesn't have to FOLLOW anywhere..he can wait....given his healing factor he can wait a LONG while longer than spidey.....
<<<"Fact#7When fighting an opponent with a ranged weapon that does not damage but hinders an opponents movement, getting close all but ensures that Wolverine will recieve copious amounts of webbing to the body and his movement WILL be hindered even if for a short while. Spider-man's aim with the webbing is extremely accurate at a great distance and he can hit small, quick moving targets from afar. Wolverine is not a small target.">>>>
he can be hindered no doubt..but defeated is another story...it's much like saying upclose one slice from wolvie will hinder spidey...
<<<"Fact#8 Being hindered in ANY way by the webbing is as fatal for Wolverine as getting stabbed would be fatal for Spider-man. Slowing to cut webbing from his legs, eyes, mouth, or torso will make the option of completely cocooning Wolverine open to Spider-man, for Wolverine can not ignore having any of the aforementioned areas bound with even a small amount of webbing, especially the legs and face.">>>
no it's not...if he is completely immobilized...than yes I agree....however the chances of him being so are slim at best....
<<<"Fact #9 Even in an arena there is a far greater chance that Wolverine ( Who only has ground based attacks) is more continously open to being struck by webbing than Spider-man is open to being struck by Wolverines claws. More often than not Wolverine would eventually be cocooned.
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and again..he has to be put in the most of uncomprimisig positions for that to ring true....the chances of putting him in said positions are more often than not...slim....
<<<"Fact #10 Wolverine does not have sufficient strength to escape being cocooned and would be helpless encased completely in webbing. Spider-man wouldn't do it but he would have the option of casually wringing Wolverines neck, killing him.">>>>
yes...much in the same way one good hit to face from wolvie to spidey would end the fight thus making wolverine the winner...it's all a matter of who's getting the ben of the doubt...
It's admirable for yoyuto have tried, but as each "fact" was still up for debate they were realy just a pack of opinions labeled as fact.
#3 I thought was the easiest to get them to see that's why I pointed out.
But they're just going to brush your counters off, and CMaster might just say you didn't make them in the first place.
[list]
Opinion #1
[*] Spiderman always has the environmental advantage.
Opinion #2
[*] Spiderman's stats are more important than Wolverines
Opinion #3
[*] Already covered.
Opinion #4
[*] Spiderman will outlast Wolverine
Opinion #5
[*]Wolverine is a one trick pony
Opinion #6
[*]Spiderman can force wolverine to fight at a distence, but Wolverine can't force Spiderman to fight h2h
Opinion #7
[*] See #6 (but reword it)
Opinion #8
[*] Spiderman kills Wolverine with his webbing
Opinion #9
[*]Webs rock, claws suck
Opinion #10
[*]Claws su7ck so bad wolverine oesn't get them
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Originally posted by jinzin
<<<"Next time do a spell-check, but wait you are a C-hater, thats one of their qualities, they have the spelling of a third grader.">>>as opposed to the c-master himself who has the mental capacity of a third grader....
<<<<"Just be sure to know who to send that fathers day card to, seeing as everyone knows who your daddy is.">>>>
it ain't you so don't hold your breath...though I know you really want me to send you some mail.....maybe you should try and get some from females instead..i don't swing for that team.....
Yep spoken like a true C-hater, well done. I knew you had it in you all alone, you're getting a tshirt, AND a mug.
Willing to go past the 10000 word limit to save your ass.
You didn't dissapoint one bit. 🙂
Originally posted by Creshosk
[list]
Opinion #1
[*] Spiderman always has the environmental advantage.
Opinion #2
[*] Spiderman's stats are more important than Wolverines
Opinion #3
[*] Already covered.
Opinion #4
[*] Spiderman will outlast Wolverine
Opinion #5
[*]Wolverine is a one trick pony
Opinion #6
[*]Spiderman can force wolverine to fight at a distence, but Wolverine can't force Spiderman to fight h2h
Opinion #7
[*] See #6 (but reword it)
Opinion #8
[*] Spiderman kills Wolverine with his webbing
Opinion #9
[*]Webs rock, claws suck
Opinion #10
[*]Claws su7ck so bad wolverine oesn't get them
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Lets try this, wolverine isn't getting on spiderman who can outdistance him, and everything else is a misinterpretation.