Originally posted by jinzin
if you have one person with razor edged knives vs. a muscle man...strength is no longer a factor...if the muscle man can't incapacitate the knife guy strength is not a factor....if muslce man only has a small advantage over the knife guy but can't keep his advantage speed will not continue to be at his advantage....but even here you're simply ignoring that these factors are not everything in a fight..for instance...I've seen a master adept at tai chi literally KO a large samoan black belt who trained in the hun gar- kung fu fighting style for years in a monastary by simply flipping him around...the tai chi master tossed him all over the place until he basically incapacitated himself..obviously speed and strength didn't play THAT HUGE of a factor here...and the fact that you continue to state over and over that wolverine doesn't apply his fighting ability only continues to prove to me that you know and understand very little of the character you're arguing against....and no wolverine does not dodge those attacks and bullets all the time you are right...but he does when he wants to or needs to...this seems to be apparent to everyone but you...
Exactly, you just argued against yourself there, too bad spiderman is also faster, and you can't grasp logic too well. If you were to put a man in claws and give him a healing factor, vs a guy who can go BEYOND what a human does with ease, who would win.
If you think nothing plays a factor over wolverine, that shows how big of a fanboy you are, and it doesn;t surprise me that you think he beats namor, venom, and carnage.
And again, can a human simply win because of skill, skill doesn't make up for someone who outclasses him in every aspect, ask batman. unless you plan on beating up animals. You show time and time again that you use no logic at all, and i still must make you look like an ass.
Originally posted by jinzin
so now you're implying that webbings faster than machine gun fire?
DD and electra hit him fine, wolverine only goes as fast as he should, not as fast as you want to, and he's damned near more accuarate than a man at a machine gun. Wolverine gained superhuman speed.
Originally posted by jinzin
so then you're admittedly ignoring the cores of my arguments....pathetic....what isn't accurate? care to illaborate? anything that isn't just opinion vs. opinion.....? anything?
it's only a disadvantage if logan CHOOSES to attempt to follow him on a wall....for example....you're going to fight a guy and have 30 people to help you do it...however he chooses to never fight you unless to come to a specific location alone...the advantage you once had is no longer yours.....
Thats where the long ranged comes in, logan doesn't have a choice in that, does everyone have to fight logan on your terms?
Originally posted by jinzin
were any of those targets wolverine attempting to avoid or nullify the webbing?
no? didn't think so....
Were they stronger and faster? Yes, the fact that you FAIL to acknowledge how easily logan can be webbed and subdued doesn;t surprise me, just like you want logan to fight were it suits his advangtage.
If logan gets hit by any webbing, he wont just keep moving, for him to stop makes him vurnerable to more? Oh I get it, he gets a time out for you right?
Originally posted by jinzin
after getting ONE....one.....ONE arm free wolverine easily slashed his way out of being completely webbed up in a measily 2 or 3 panals...with ONE ARM....yet with two in a position ready and waiting for the webbing he can't easily cut himself free? riiiiiiiiight...lest we forget...we're all still assuming wolverine's said "to hell with taking cover and avoiding the webbing alltogether" nice benefit of the doubt you got going there....
How did wolverine get his arm free, did he gain superhuman strength? Too bad you still like to believe whatever supports wolveirne.
Lets not also forget spiderman wasnt there, proving you like very selective arguments to wave in your favor.
Originally posted by jinzin
this pretty much says it all.....you JUST said you disagreed with my theories on logan vs. webbing based on......................... FEATS........yet we shouldn't go by logans? 😂 that's the most pathetic attempt at an argument I've ever seen....and you're an idiot if you think that for a moment I'm going to comprimise the character or my argument or the proof to back up both in this debate just because...you said so...........HA......"don't go by his feats they make spiderman look bad" 😂NO, becuase you do SHIT LITTLE to back them up, much lesss explain.
You've given me no reason as to why he is strong enough to get out.
You can't smell shit writing.
You seem to forget which ones are valid and not, making YOU shouldn't be able to use them.
Mister:" wolveirne beats carnage, because he knows he's crazy.
He beats thor and venom too huh? You are a fanboy, and what's worse, is that you read the stuff, and you still give biased arguments, your credibility is low.
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[QUOTE=4452365]Originally posted by jinzin
[B]I suppose we can't go by ryu's abilities based on feat either huh?
Different, since his in that particular showing weren't in the same universe, and they went with his abilities.
You don't explain how wolverine should jump fifty feet in the air or nothing.
I explained how he would lose, too bad you can't grasp logan losing, fanboy.
Like K3vil, whobdamandog, whokid, and MISTER, and others said you are a fanboy underneath/\.
Whats worse, its your argument 90% of the time, this and a smilie, pititful, no wonder people say your posts are childish.
Originally posted by jinzin
ummmm actually daredevil has a comparitive style, taskmaster as the exact same style, wolverine's proven that he can use a similar style to spidey's enough to trick bystanders into believing he WAS spidey....spidey's got a strength factor that makes his moves look more impressive...not much more than that....and where is this extraordinary fighting? i guess you don't read very many wolvie books do you?
Yep, and you seem to forget that logan is what a human can accomplish period. He isn't even twice as fast nor as strong as another peak human.
Spiderman creams DD, and taskmaster, thats fighting. Styles matters not its who wins. You still think batman is a better fighter, its proificency, not efficiency.
Can logan ko 5 people without touching the ground?
Wolverine boy: Oh wolverine's only SLIGHTLY slower and weaker and than spiderman.
I can read fewer books than you, but you suck at analyzing them for your characters.
You still think wolverine's still unknockoutable.
Originally posted by jinzin
oh you mean like it did against, macendale, creed, daredevil, shang chi, captain america, man mountain marko, iron fist, the white ninja, wolverine, those kids in the sins past story line, hammerhead, and fancy dan?let me think on this one----- NO!
lol, and most of these people spiderman easily beat, thus its weakened, therefore proving my point.
It damned sure worked on hulk and others like titania, could wolverine beat her, no. How about venom, I shouldn't have asked you that, you always go by what you read.
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Originally posted by jinzin
don't go by this don't go by that....wtf are we supposed to go by..your opinion? HA....not a chance in hell bud.....claws ARE different actually.....the stragic improvisation, tactical mastery, and insane amount of fighting ability are not intigrated into doc ocks tenticals....claws are alot different infact...they can shred the hell out of doc ocks arms..what does that tell you other than if they are different...it's that they are more dangerous...and another thing...i've seen dock ocks tenticals wrap spidey up like a rank amature on a number of occasions....just food for thought.....
Is he a villan, yep. Eleckra caused wolveirne problems.
You still use spiderman at his weakest, and wolverine at his strongest. You want wolverine to ko namor and not flinch, and you want spiderman to get in grabs by kingpin, which it should be the opposite in both examples.
Due to the amount of bitching in your posts,(90% of it by the way.) nOne of its that good of material, I'd say you are stilll bitter by the truth.
But like cresh said, Its understandable for jinzin to be bitter in a debate with you.
C-hater arguments, crap. ***** ***** *****, thats all you do, and put a smilie and a pfft at the end. If I wanted so many smilies, I would have went to the off topic forum.
And run a spellcheck.