Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by Dizzle
5 yards decreases effectiveness? Spiderman does not have to be far away. Just far enough so that Wolverine can't reach him. I'm not talking miles here.[/d]

Originally posted by Dizzle
[B]And you're overrating Wolverine's speed. Your argument for him is that he can cut a circle around both of his feet to free them from the ground before Spiderman can move his arm an inch to fire the webs. Wolverine's fast, Spiderman still remains faster. Shooting a web takes less time than bending down and cutting webs. WOLVERINE IS NOT THE FREAKING FLASH!

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Originally posted by Dizzle
Put your hands on your legs and conjure your imaginary claws again. Or just use a pen. Now, if your arm is facing away from your body, do you see the pen/imaginary claws coming anywhere near your wrist? Seemingly impossible still takes time. And in this fight, Spiderman jumping on top of him and forcing webs down his throat without hesitation.

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Originally posted by PimpXMaster
In a match, it's a tie, because Spiderman could just stay up very high, but since it's to the death, Spiderman will be forced to hit Wolverine, and get close. Spiderman can dodge Wolverine, but While he is hitting Wolverine, he is on offense and his defense is down, so Wolverine could have his winning blow there. Offense and defense can not be high at the same time. Spiderman can not just dodge, after he is in motion, going forward, hitting Wolverine, a series of times to kill him. If he does one punch then dodge, then by the time he lays the next one, Wolverine could heal slowly, while Spiderman gets tired. Well something like that.

And as to all that, since when does Spiderman have to get close? One of his main weapons has good range. In a brawl, I'd actually give Wolverine 8/10... But Spiderman's way more than a brawler.

Originally posted by Dizzle
And as to bashing with everything he's got... Ripping out organs and stuffing webs down Wolverine's throat are different from bashing, now aren't they. Just because Spiderman has never tried an alternative strategy in a comic doesn't mean he can't.

Originally posted by Dizzle
And as to all that, since when does Spiderman have to get close? One of his main weapons has good range. In a brawl, I'd actually give Wolverine 8/10... But Spiderman's way more than a brawler.

Well to kill Wolverine, he would have to get close, unless his web Automatically kills when comes in contact.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Perhaps you're underestimating Spidey a bit. It's not like he's stupid. Wolverine's fighting ability, skeleton, claws and healing factor means that if you want to take him out(off him), you've gotta be unorthodox. Spidey knows this. This isn't a 1st time encounter. Spidey can evade long enough to come up with this plan. It's not that complicated. Give him some credit dude.

Have you torn meat off of a chicken bone?

It all comes off at the same time doesn't it?

No? Just a piece? Then there would still be meat on there right?

Well Spiderman is not well within range with his hands full of mucles, Wolverine can still move if there is still some muscle.

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Originally posted by Dizzle
In terms of giving Spiderman the big advantage by giving him walls, even in open space, a shot to Logan's feet should keep him there for a bit. He could even possibly do something as evil as webbing Logan's arms to his legs as he reaches down... which would be just as hard to get out of as being spread eagled on a wall.

Webbing isn't an instantaneous process, but it's not like he can't hit Logan. And cutting out of webs would take more time than webbing something. Spiderman's aim is very good. If he's fairly close to Wolverine, why wouldn't he have problems sticking arms to legs if Wolverine is reaching down to cut his feet free? I still have yet to hear an actual counter for Wolverine's hands being bound in a smart fashion...

And do I seriously have to say that I didn't mean Spiderman would web Wolverine while backflipping? I meant he jumps backwards away from Wolverine so as to create some space, then webs Logan once he lands...

And in response to "Wolverine's automatically something when he's webbed"...
Wolverine automatically breaks out once webbing touches him?

wolverine has the speed and strength to pull away fast enough from a wall before webbing adheres... it's going to be hard to web this...

Originally posted by PimpXMaster
What kind of proof, is more better than the two, comic book characters, fighting.

Unless Marvel, said on the issue, time to vote on who will win, like the Marvel vs Dc crossover.

we've been asking the same question for months now...we still haven't got a decent answer other than "wolverine's inconsistant....fanboy"

Originally posted by jinzin
like it's easier said than done:

"to dodge wolverine all the time"

Originally posted by jinzin
"web him up"

Originally posted by jinzin
"knock him out"

Originally posted by brainchild81
He's done it before. Not extremely easy, but not impossible either.

Spiderman has to sotp his movement and then capitalize. All it takes for wolverine is one little scratch. . .

Originally posted by brainchild81
I don't remember implying that either. Spidey can dodge Wolverine. He has to go for the quick vic though because even though his stamina is pretty high, Wolvie's is way better 'cause of the HF.
He's done it before. Not extremely easy, but not impossible either.
I think Spidey's better off trying to "choke him out"

trying to choke a man that can gut you doesn't quite sound like a good gameplan...

when has spidey successfully webbed up wolverine in a fight?

also just note I was making a point not trying to argue really....

Originally posted by Creshosk
And yet Spiderman can't figure out to do these things IN the comics. . .

Yes, cuz they would result in Wolverine dying. Cash cows are immortal when inside their comic worlds. Unless they have a reincarnation plan.

The web doesn't kill Wolverine, it holds him in place. Wolverine usually slashes a small part of the web and makes the rest of it magically fall away. But that's just not how webs work. I'm going by logic here. Wolverine would not be able to reach webs on his wrists unless he uses the opposite arm. And if that one's webbed... His arms are staying there for a good bit.

Spiderman is faster than Wolverine. Shooting his web takes a lot less movement than Wolverine bending down to cut himself free. So logically, less movement and greater speed takes more time than more movement with less speed... Of course. Right. Mmhmm. Indeedy. Echo.

To kill Wolverine, Spiderman has to hold his arms with webs long enough for him to force open Wolverine's mouth and fire a web. Or go on gut-ripping spree.

And yes, Spiderman has webbed Wolverine. Never indefinitely, but for actual good amounts of time. He tends to fight stupid against Wolverine for some reason...

Oh, and Cresh, with repeating that pic over and over again, are you implying Wolverine is the faster of the two?

Originally posted by Dizzle
Yes, cuz they would result in Wolverine dying. Cash cows are immortal when inside their comic worlds. Unless they have a reincarnation plan.

Originally posted by Dizzle
The web doesn't kill Wolverine, it holds him in place. Wolverine usually slashes a small part of the web and makes the rest of it magically fall away. But that's just not how webs work. I'm going by logic here. Wolverine would not be able to reach webs on his wrists unless he uses the opposite arm. And if that one's webbed... His arms are staying there for a good bit.

I guess this shows that the organic webbing isn't as great. . .

Originally posted by Dizzle
Spiderman is faster than Wolverine. Shooting his web takes a lot less movement than Wolverine bending down to cut himself free. So logically, less movement and greater speed takes more time than more movement with less speed... Of course. Right. Mmhmm. Indeedy. Echo.

Originally posted by Dizzle
To kill Wolverine, Spiderman has to hold his arms with webs long enough for him to force open Wolverine's mouth and fire a web. Or go on gut-ripping spree.

As for the distence thing read Wanderer's posts:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=312407&perpage=20&highlight=60+foot&pagenumber=157

Originally posted by Dizzle
And yes, Spiderman has webbed Wolverine. Never indefinitely, but for actual good amounts of time. He tends to fight stupid against Wolverine for some reason...

Originally posted by Dizzle
Oh, and Cresh, with repeating that pic over and over again, are you implying Wolverine is the faster of the two?

wolverine-gutted,blown up, set on fire, shot at by a machine gun all in the same fight.............just kept comin.

again silly string argument.....once wolverine cuts himself free....he's only got webbing on him...yet webbing doesn't limit movement when on the body it's just annoying....

shooting webbing comes in 1 strand....spiderman has to pout it on faster than wolverine can slash....keep in mind wolverine's gotten out of being COMPLETELY webbed by having ONE wrist free in 3 panals...consider he has 2 free arms at the start of the fight...that's 1 1/2 panals...consider his ability to SEE when spidey's about to use the webbing via hand motion, consider his abiltiy to dodge, bob and weave and take cover..and that's no panals...he's not going to be put into that kind of uncomprimising position...

Originally posted by jinzin
wolverine-gutted,blown up, set on fire, shot at by a machine gun all in the same fight.............just kept comin.

again silly string argument.....once wolverine cuts himself free....he's only got webbing on him...yet webbing doesn't limited movement when on the body it's just annoying....

shooting webbing comes in 1 strand....spiderman has to pout it on faster than wolverine can slash....keep in mind wolverine's gotten out of being COMPLETELY webbed by having ONE wrist free in 3 panals...consider he has 2 free arms at the start of the fight...that's 1 1/2 panals...consider his ability to SEE when spidey's about to use the webbing via hand motion, consider his abiltiy to dodge, bob and weave and take cover..and that's no panals...he's not going to be put into that kind of uncomprimising position...

I'm serious when we don't have to worry about cash cows we get this:

Wolvie 1
Wolvie 2

or this?

Wolvie 3

or this?

Wolvie 4
Wolvie 5

or this?

wolvie 6
Wolvie 7

When we do have him up against cash cows, wovlerine is nowhere near that speed.

before his cigar hits the ground...

..........

Wanderer was talking in distances above 20 yards. I'm talking 10 yards and under. Webs work perfectly well.

I've already explained the problem with Wolverine breaking out of webs like that. The webs don't crack and break, and they don't just fall off of stuff. However, when Wolverine breaks out of them, they always do just that. Not other times, just against Wolverine.

And Wolverine would have to be a whole lot faster than Spiderman to reach down and cut his legs free before Spiderman can move his arm a couple inches to shoot his arm. even if he misses the arms, he rewebs the legs. If I'm underestimating Wolverine, you're underestimating Spiderman more.

New tidbit: Spiderman gets a web on Wolverine and swings him into a wall, then webs him to it. Them webs are damn useful.

And just as you say that dodging Wolverine forever would be hard for Spiderman, dodging webs forever would be many times harder for Wolverine...

And why doesn't he do that against anyone well established?

cuz that would result in <someone well established> dying. Cash cows are immortal when inside their comic worlds. Unless they have a reincarnation plan.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Wanderer was talking in distances above 20 yards. I'm talking 10 yards and under. Webs work perfectly well.

I've already explained the problem with Wolverine breaking out of webs like that. The webs don't crack and break, and they don't just fall off of stuff. However, when Wolverine breaks out of them, they always do just that. Not other times, just against Wolverine.

And Wolverine would have to be a whole lot faster than Spiderman to reach down and cut his legs free before Spiderman can move his arm a couple inches to shoot his arm. even if he misses the arms, he rewebs the legs. If I'm underestimating Wolverine, you're underestimating Spiderman more.

Originally posted by Dizzle
New tidbit: Spiderman gets a web on Wolverine and swings him into a wall, then webs him to it. Them webs are damn useful.

Originally posted by Dizzle
And just as you say that dodging Wolverine forever would be hard for Spiderman, dodging webs forever would be many times harder for Wolverine...

Why doesn't Wolverine get to use his speed against Spiderman?

cuz that would result in Spiderman dying. Cash cows are immortal when inside their comic worlds. Unless they have a reincarnation plan.

He is arguing that Wolverine is several times faster than Spiderman... Amazing.

That said, I'm out. it's gettin late.