Originally posted by Creshosksleep, please, None of those happened like you said,you sound like a spidey hater..
Which one?The Wolverine webbed up when he was trying to talk to Peter.
The webcomic spoof of the graveyard fight.
The cutout where he's being kicked.
The secret wars where Spiderman neutrilized nightcrawlers powers where they were only trying to capture spiderman. . .
Originally posted by jinzinHe didn't "lose" the ability, persay.
he did though...can you honestly explain why nightcrawler lost the ability to teleport?
Does eddy always use all of his powers, no.
Thats what I'm saying, guys like flash get hit by boomerangs, so...
Originally posted by jinzinOf course not, my point was they do it to keep the match interesting, nightcrawler doesn't ALWAYS teleport.
flash is not nightcrawler...cresh was just pointing something out to consider anyhow...and he was right...if you are stuck in webbing and have the innate ability to GET OUT...do you stay in?hell no.
So would it be fair to say its poor writing off of that, because I'm sure he'd almost NEVER get hit, like the flash.
Thats all I'm saying. it would be against your favor...
Originally posted by jinzinexactly, but not exactly.
actually he can get hit just fine..it's just that he shouldn't ever be trapped.....by webs....or nets...period...
He really shouldn't be hit too often nor caught in webs by his power, but his personality, and the fact people make mistakes while fighing deem otherwise.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Nets never hold him, he teleports out pretty much automatically, normally.And Storm only tried one itty bitty lightning bolt. . . and then gave up.
Sure seems like a lot of concessions were made for the sake of the story.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Nets never hold him, he teleports out pretty much automatically, normally.And Storm only tried one itty bitty lightning bolt. . . and then gave up.
Sure seems like a lot of concessions were made for the sake of the story.
but that's okay cause it was spidey...he's never touched by pis....EVER (clone saga) cough
Originally posted by jinzini told you its all the same thing man...
and yet spiderman's spider sense?
the artist wouldn't have times to use spidersense legit. Its not perfect, but if a person pointed a pencil a peter accidentally, the artist would have to illustrate it...
Of course here that wouldn't happen , but the fact that peter smacked logan, has nothing to do with nightcrawler not porting out of his webbing.
Furthermore, the fact that peter fought up close when he didn't have to pretty much kills those crossovers, since peter outthinks his opponents.
no it doesn't and he only outthinks his opponents when his first plan doesn't work...what's his first plan? go in with what he has and see how he stacks up...this is why his win/loss ratio isn't too good with super characters...he usually loses the first bout and then develops a plan later on using that big brain of his...
the fact that spiderman smacked logan around means nothing..the fact that he did it in a battle where pis was clearly demonstrated, yet all the times wolverine's gotten the upperhand on spidey in 1on1 matchups being deemed pis, DOES mean something...it means there's some serious bias going on here.
Originally posted by jinzin
no it doesn't and he only outthinks his opponents when his first plan doesn't work...what's his first plan? go in with what he has and see how he stacks up...this is why his win/loss ratio isn't too good with super characters...he usually loses the first bout and then develops a plan later on using that big brain of his...the fact that spiderman smacked logan around means nothing..the fact that he did it in a battle where pis was clearly demonstrated, yet all the times wolverine's gotten the upperhand on spidey in 1on1 matchups being deemed pis, DOES mean something...it means there's some serious bias going on here.
Spiderman outthinks his opponents, period. The use of plot devices or cis against spiderman means little here, because the fact that spiderman can lose and still appeal to many means something.
On top of that, there is bais.
A match were peter never touched logan, peter fights h2h, logan (breaks out of his web, with no claws), logan being on a matching speed to spiderman, knocked him 35 feet back, all of those are poor comparisons, and crossovers.
You guys have a wierd way of determining a win, because the graveyard scene wasn't one, the training ground wasn't one, rooftop wasn't one.
They are crossovers meant to leave a ? mark at the end, and you twist them around to the point where it sounds like:
Wolverine is faster than spiderman, spiderman cannot hurt wolverine, etc.
Bull, logic please.
were are using logic...you considered wolverine saying "jeezus that hurts" as him beggin.... we haven't "turned" these fights into anything.... the fact of the matter is and always has been....spiderman will have a harder time than not trying to web logan up....spiderman's physical abilities won't grant him a win...and one hit is all logan needs to secure a victory....he's hit spiderman every single time with the exception of secret wars...those are close enough.... the only time he's had his claws out while making the punch, spiderman passed out...thus showing exactly what we've been saying all along..the odds are in wolverine's favor not spideys...
also, spiderman getting his butt kicked by a villain in an initial confrontation is not CIS in the least, it's practically a trademark thing for him to do...think about it...hell it was even displayed in the movies...
Originally posted by jinzinno, I'm talking CIS as in "lets make spidey fight stupid."
were are using logic...you considered wolverine saying "jeezus that hurts" as him beggin.... we haven't "turned" these fights into anything.... the fact of the matter is and always has been....spiderman will have a harder time than not trying to web logan up....spiderman's physical abilities won't grant him a win...and one hit is all logan needs to secure a victory....he's hit spiderman every single time with the exception of secret wars...those are close enough.... the only time he's had his claws out while making the punch, spiderman passed out...thus showing exactly what we've been saying all along..the odds are in wolverine's favor not spideys...also, spiderman getting his butt kicked by a villain in an initial confrontation is not CIS in the least, it's practically a trademark thing for him to do...think about it...hell it was even displayed in the movies...
Yes spiderman loses, and his physical abilities WILL grant him a win, logan needs a lucky shot, that he will have to get on peter's terms.
Logical.
(logan jumps 30 feet in the air.) i think not.
Logan got a lucky hit means little, you are using any little thing to grant logan a win, considering logan already said that spiderman could beat him.
Topping it off, you think that spidermans abilites won't grant him a win, and that they're a slight advantage, just shows how baised the arguments are.
Wait wait. . . he's saying that spiderman charging in is plot induced stupidity right? even though that seems to be a part of his personality as well. . .
But then this is "out of character spidey" so he's allowed to hold back and think first.
But then Wolverine HAS to charge in because that's part of his personality. . .
But there isn't an "out of character wolvie" . . .
Logically this means that they're still trying desperately to shift things in there favor if they have to set up unfair situations to be in spiderman's favor. . .
Along with walls and cars-a-plenty always being in these fights. . .
Originally posted by Creshosk
Wait wait. . . he's saying that spiderman charging in is plot induced stupidity right? even though that seems to be a part of his personality as well. . .But then this is "out of character spidey" so he's allowed to hold back and think first.
But then Wolverine HAS to charge in because that's part of his personality. . .
But there isn't an "out of character wolvie" . . .
Logically this means that they're still trying desperately to shift things in there favor if they have to set up unfair situations to be in spiderman's favor. . .
Along with walls and cars-a-plenty always being in these fights. . .
You got it backwards, I've already owned you on this, spiderman outthinks his opponents, logan outfights.
You are making a debate out of something you cannot provide evidence to, and you wonder how you became labeled as a fanboy.
To top it off, you guys are saying wolverine beats namor, if the earth is 3/4 water, that sounds like shifting odds to me...
That and the fact that you make logan superstrong and fast, and other bull makes you not even worth listening too.
I said the cars were an option,and that was one of the ways, you are still bitter over logan vs ock.
Your bias is disgusting at this point.
Anywhere spiderman fight, he WILL have the advantage 95% of the fights, to say there will be no walls is stupid AND biased.
Its pathetic, trying to take away spidemran has, and make wolverine immortal, this is why I don't bother with you two, YOU don't make an argument cresh, and mostly complain anyways.