Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Yes but the damage is healed so quickly he only feels the pain for a brief moment, barely enough time for his brain to register. Besides that Wolverine is a bit of a masochist, he has said before the he likes the pain... makes him feel alive and such.

Why do you people post this tripe again and again. I sit here and put an argument on this, and got a half assed answer, people skipped RIGHT over it.

Do you understand the difference between a nerve and not a nerve, do you realize that hurts more doesn't always equal more damage?

I'm assuming you don't, wolverine heals quickly yes, but how are you gauging this, by what means? Using top showings when many others have shown otherwise isn't that fair, lets stop overrating wolverine.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine runs in and throws down with his enemy. There are no plot devices, its not like we are talking about Spider-man here (that guy wins half his fights with ridiculous plot devices).

So you then take back that wolverine will fight defensivley?

Do you know what a plot device is, I'm questioning it, because I truly don't think you are understanding.

Wolverine fighting people in a comic book, and here are two different things, the fact that it happened in a comic book, when you can't really explain otherwise why it should happen means little.

Wolverine and batman are the two biggest pis suckers out there, spiderman is intelligent but he doesn't fluctuate beyond his powers.

Most of spiderman's victories come from using his intelligence, which is why you may assume a plot device.

Wolverine is a one trick pony in these fights, so instead of plot devices he gets illogically amped up to satisfy his fanbase. Why is this so hard to grasp, is wolverine standing still now?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
There are out side circumstances, like in the Enemy of the State story line where for example Wolverine was trying to kill Namor who wasn't prepared to do the same; hardly a plot device though. But like I was saying there hardly any plot devices involved when Wolverine fights with bricks.

Wolverine gets into fights with people who CLEARLY outclass him, and wins because of his fanbase, wolverine doesn't stand a dogshit chance against namor, I'll give 3 points to be generous.

Lets use the example of hulk then, lets see hulk didn't want to kill him.

Hulk was "defeated" by a dam.

Wolverine was one of the four horsemen.

Wolverine was death.

ANYONE can stand up to someone, so what? Is that the question, "who wolverine can stand up to?", I didn't think it was, I thought it was "who wolverine can beat".

Keep trying.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
These are some Wolverine plot devices, adamantium hurts intangible people and adamantium knocks out Ghost Rider.

Wolverine's powers have fluctuated ridiculously, he's gone off the end from street level to earths finest.

Make him a secret weapon against thanos, and people think that he beats anyone.

Wolverine is a walking plot device, HE ALWAYS MEETS THE NEEDS OF WRITERS!!! Hint at always.

The writers use his healing to suit the needs of his match at the time, from being rescued by jubilee to fighting namor.

Up and down that healing goes, where it stops, noone knows.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Luckily Wolverine is faster and more agile then all the bricks he fights then eh?

Whats a brick, Faster than hulk, please, faster than thing, not really,

sabretooth, nope
venom, nope.

Wolverine is at the best of what a human can achieve, and he isn't winning many of the debates these xfanboys put him in.

Its what will most likely happen, not what has or what we want to happen good sir...

He's not faster, stronger, nor smarter than spiderman either.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Can Wolverine be forcibly held down by a class 100? Yes. If there is car please on top of him can he push it aside? No.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
But how likely is it that this will happen?

Very, hit him once or twice with the car, and PIN his little ass.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Almost all of the heavy hitters that Wolverine has fought have no range capabilities and have to deal with Wolverine in close range.

Spiderman does, and he doesn't need range, and wolverine needs melee as well, your point is moot.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
His adamantium claws give him the ability to dish out heavy damage to these guys and any attempt to grab at his arms... isn't likely to work out in the favour of his attacker.

Ah, the "wolverine will slice up and off anything that comes near, because he's the best at what he does!!!"

Cute, go check wolverine vs ock for that one...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
There is a difference between getting swatted aside like an insect by brick and taking full on hits time and time again from them.

Inertia, good, you have been listening.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Considering the history between the Hulk and Wolverine, I am more then comfortable in saying that the Hulk isn't pulling his punches. Do I know for sure that he isn't using half strength?

I am more than comfortable in the fact that wolverine will be more than out the area if that happened with hulk.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No but when you have an incredible angry man with rage issues shouting "LITTLE MAN ALWAYS TRY TO HURT HULK! HULK FINISH LITTLE MAN FOR GOOD; LITTLE MAN NOT HURT HULK ANY MORE!" I think it is safe to assume that a) he doesn't like Wolverine and b) he wants him gone as soon as possible. Its not like there is any love lost between the Hulk and Wolverine or that Hulk is known for pulling his punches is it?

The fact that you say wolverine will shrug off class 100 blows, just shows how overrated he is.

Lets ignore the glancing blow hulk gave him and knocked him out, and thing's ol' bonk to the head.
Wolverine said spiderman can beat him.

Wolverine said elecktra can beat him.

But guys like hulk can't surely remove wolverine with ease.

Lets also ignore the thunderclap point I made, cute.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine could let Spider-man beat him all day and he wouldn't go down for the ten count.

Ridiculous, you're kidding me, what happened to the crucifxion.

Marrow putting a pipe down his thraot.

Archangel.

Getting warm, how about ogun and silver samurai giving him trouble.

I disagreed with the previous, because they are stating that healing would work BEFORE the actual damage took place.

In consequence to what you are saying, YES, he would be in a state before fully unconsciousness, but keep in mind that IN fights, a knockout is when the opponent is rendered unable to think, respond, etc. for themselves, now TECHNICALLY speaking, there is a state, but I don't see logan coming back from that with this kind of force.

Try explaining that to them though.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I fell very comfortable with the assumption the Hulk isn't holding his back and I fell there is little to back up your assumption that he(and every other brick Wolverine fights) is.

This sounds familiar...

1: Inertia, if you were to hit a punching bag(the small coordination one , dexterity training), you see it reacts. It moves around, alot. Same with a person, except with the inside. If you were to hit someone in the head, the victim inside would feel the force (brain). The energy just doesn't stop at the inital hit.

2: Stronger metal absorbs such forces less. People often mistake the adamantium for not feeling any damage, and the adamantium absorbing ALL of the damage. The reverse is true, tougher metals absorb less because their bonds don't give in to the force. If I were to drive an indestructable car, and collide with something (wall) with a great force, I would still get tossed around, moreso even. In fact newer cars actually give MORE support to the victim by moving in to absorb more damage of collsion. In short, the adamatium ABSORBS the hits fine.

3: The velocity in attacks are there to make the hit into an even greater effect.
A 30000 lifter with the starting velocity of (300-400mph first sec), is stronger than many realize. The writers don't often include that (everything would die, or a character holds back), but its all included here, because this is a HYPOTHETICAL argument.

4: Using that SAME TOKEN, just because a char was hit by a 100 ton lifter, than that doesn't mean the hits were at 100 tons. If I were to get hit by WW and stand up, I wouldn't go "I survived a 100 ton hit", so its hard to measure hits in comics, because often you'll see a guy like batman do more damage to a guy, than a hit by flash.

Do the math, obviously marvel didn't.

OWNED...now....Closing...

Originally posted by PimpXMaster
OWNED...now....Closing...

re-opening

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I'm sure most of you realise Spider-Man has been known (on occasion) to use webbing in fight situations..... I'm also sure most of you realise that this webbing is nigh unbreakable to anyone below the class 30 strength range (and some above that range)

As Spider-Man has little difficulty webbing up the superhumanly fast arms of Doctor Octopus i find it highly improbable that he couldn't do the same to Wolverine (who is not possessed of super-human class speed)

Now, with sufficient volumes of webbing being used, it would be relatively simple for Spider-Man to bind Wolverine in such a position that he could not shift his arms through the required motion he would need to perform to cut through said webbing

This is the simplest (and possibly most effective) way for Spider-Man to incapacitate Wolverine

Originally posted by PimpXMaster
OWNED...now....Closing...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I thought I posted pass the 10000 character limit, that was close...

yeah.... you need to calm the f**k down with your typing

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don't you realise that around a quarter of the people on the Internet struggle to keep their concentration long enough to........ oh look..... something shiny...... WOW...TV........

i think i'll go get something to eat

i'm sleepy

WTF?.... who left the computer turned on???

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Hmm... Hulk has crushed pure adamantium when enraged. Wolverine's skeleton is only laced with adamantium. Ever wonder why Hulk doesn't just get pissed and crush him, and his "unbreakable" skeleton? Maybe because he's the most beloved canuck in comics next to Superman?

Spidey's strength and skills get totally trashed on this board. Spidey should outmaneuver Wolvie.

Originally posted by Scoobless
yeah.... you need to calm the f**k down with your typing

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don't you realise that around a quarter of the people on the Internet struggle to keep their concentration long enough to........ oh look..... something shiny...... WOW...TV........

i think i'll go get something to eat

i'm sleepy

WTF?.... who left the computer turned on???

😕

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Hmm... Hulk has crushed pure adamantium when enraged. Wolverine's skeleton is only laced with adamantium. Ever wonder why Hulk doesn't just get pissed and crush him, and his "unbreakable" skeleton? Maybe because he's the most beloved canuck in comics next to Superman?

Spidey's strength and skills get totally trashed on this board. Spidey should outmaneuver Wolvie.

No wolverine isn't popular, lets ignore the gross amount of comic issues he's in each and every month.

Lets ignore the fact that xmen movies should be titled, "wolverine and friends.

lol 😱

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
he's the most beloved canuck in comics next to Superman?

Superman's a canuck? he told me he was Kryptonian?.... that lying b*****d!!!

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Originally posted by Scoobless
Superman's a canuck? he told me he was Kryptonian?.... that lying b*****d!!!

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Hope I didn't ruin any relationship you two had formed... 🙁

Wolverine is the kryptonian, you got it backwards...

@ C

That was a fantastic (and very very long) post. Respect.

I want to look at it all over again, until the page ends and its history again...

Originally posted by Scoobless
yeah.... you need to calm the f**k down with your typing

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Dude wolverine vs spidey is a good debate overall I mean look at all the pages

There are these things called fanboys or ties, there are only 3 debates over 200 pages, and thats why.

Go to juggernaut vs hulk, spiderman vs batman, and spiderman vs wolverine.

Juggs vs hulk is the tie, guess which 2 aren't?

This has been going on since 03, and people just like the characters too much to admit they lose.

srank and pointinel think spiderman win. So we are discussing for the sake of it I guess.

So like spidey too much to admit he loses 😄

Meh more like the fact that the bases are too big so people come on and want to discuss it. Fine, its an interesting discussion.

That doesn't equate a good match.

If you want to go there, you realize spiderman has triumphed over the xmen before right?

Just joking, you believe what you want but don't you think spidey going against the x men and winning sounds like a guy who is really popular and has allot of fan boys could do since the entire x men would really win 😛

Exactly, thats why we use "logic" in debates, I hate most pro wolverine arguments because they are "it happened" arguments.

I don't think spiderman is beating the better xmen in a fight, no.

Why do you people post this tripe again and again. I sit here and put an argument on this, and got a half assed answer, people skipped RIGHT over it.

Do you understand the difference between a nerve and not a nerve, do you realize that hurts more doesn't always equal more damage?

I'm assuming you don't, wolverine heals quickly yes, but how are you gauging this, by what means? Using top showings when many others have shown otherwise isn't that fair, lets stop overrating wolverine.

I hate it when I have to track down what I said in order to merit your response... then find your post which lead to my response in the first place in order to remember what exactly what we were talking about. 😠

That being said I'm still not really sure what this is about. I never even hinted to having the believe that more damage equals more pain, let alone not knowing what a nerve ending is. This really has no baring on what I said in my previous post. I could be wrong though since I'm not quite sure why you brought this up in the first place.

Anyway what Wolverine feats am I going by? They are what I would consider the norm, you know the level at which he is portrayed the majority of the time... am curious what you are using as a guideline though.

So you then take back that wolverine will fight defensivley?

Um have I ever said Wolverine is a defensive combatant?

Do you know what a plot device is, I'm questioning it, because I truly don't think you are understanding.

Man you and I really are on two separate pages aren't we? Right now I'm trying to figure out what exactly your idea of a plot device is... I have to admit I'm kind of at a loss.

If Wolverine was fighting Venom and all of the sudden they crashed into a building that just happened to have, lets say a flame thrower, then that would be a plot device. Adamantium causing damage to intangible people? Yeah thats a plot device. Adamantium causing an feed back of energy that knocks out Ghost Rider after coming into contact with him? Thats be a plot device. Now try to keep this in mind for a second and tell me what are these plot devices that allow Wolverine to hang with class 100s?

Wolverine fighting people in a comic book, and here are two different things, the fact that it happened in a comic book, when you can't really explain otherwise why it should happen means little.

Wolverine has beaten the Hulk several times in comics but I have never said that I think Wolverine can beat the Hulk. Why? Because I don't think that he can. Taking hits for the Hulk is an other thing entirely and something that Wolverine is more then capable of.

Wolverine and batman are the two biggest pis suckers out there, spiderman is intelligent but he doesn't fluctuate beyond his powers.

Most of spiderman's victories come from using his intelligence, which is why you may assume a plot device.

How many times has Spider-man crawled away beaten, gone to his lab and cooked up something that will help him in his next fight. That is a plot device and the only person who wins due to plot devices more often is Batman himself.

Wolverine is a one trick pony in these fights, so instead of plot devices he gets illogically amped up to satisfy his fanbase. Why is this so hard to grasp, is wolverine standing still now?

Its not a hard concept to grasp... its just wrong. On top of that it requires someone to ignore 80% of Wolverine's showings on the grounds that he was "illogically amped up" and chose at their own discretion the showings they like from the remanding 20% of his appearances.

Wolverine gets into fights with people who CLEARLY outclass him, and wins because of his fanbase, wolverine doesn't stand a dogshit chance against namor, I'll give 3 points to be generous.

No he wins because he still has a means to damage (massively damage by the way) people who "CLEARLY outclass him," and healing factor that affords him the option of taking their hits.

Lets use the example of hulk then, lets see hulk didn't want to kill him.

Wasn't a fight. Wolverine was attacking the Hulk then stopped and the two shook hands.

Hulk was "defeated" by a dam.

That was a fight between Skrullverine and the Hulk actually (at least I think it was)

Wolverine was one of the four horsemen.

Wolverine was death.

Death Wolverine real didn't have any up grades save for his sword. In fact Death Wolverine fared worse against Cable then normal Wolverine did.

ANYONE can stand up to someone, so what? Is that the question, "who wolverine can stand up to?", I didn't think it was, I thought it was "who wolverine can beat".

Keep trying.

Wolverine does more then "stand up" to the Hulk, he holds his own in their fights. If the Hulk was your standard run of the mill brick with class 100 strength and limited invulnerability, he wouldn't survive an encounter with Wolverine.

Wolverine's powers have fluctuated ridiculously, he's gone off the end from street level to earths finest.

Make him a secret weapon against thanos, and people think that he beats anyone.

Wolverine is a walking plot device, HE ALWAYS MEETS THE NEEDS OF WRITERS!!! Hint at always.

The writers use his healing to suit the needs of his match at the time, from being rescued by jubilee to fighting namor.

Up and down that healing goes, where it stops, noone knows.

May I refer you to the post where I called you a cop out an the explanation that fallowed. Just pretend I said all that stuff here.

Whats a brick, Faster than hulk, please, faster than thing, not really,

sabretooth, nope
venom, nope.

Wolverine is at the best of what a human can achieve, and he isn't winning many of the debates these xfanboys put him in.

Its what will most likely happen, not what has or what we want to happen good sir...

He's not faster, stronger, nor smarter than spiderman either.

Faster then Hulk? Big check.
Faster then Thing? That be another check my friend.

Sabretooth and Venom? Well no but they aren't bricks so it doesn't really hurt my point.

Do you want to know why Wolverine doesn't do so well in his threats? Its because some jackass has no problem say "look ignore the hundreds of times Wolverine has taken hits from heavy hitters because its total bullshit! Look here is Cyclops getting the better of Wolverine! Now that one feat clearly out weighs all others."

*note: C-M you aren't the jackass I am referring to*

Spiderman does, and he doesn't need range, and wolverine needs melee as well, your point is moot.

...you didn't forget that I think Spider-man wins did you? And that his range is the reason I believe this.

Ah, the "wolverine will slice up and off anything that comes near, because he's the best at what he does!!!"

Cute, go check wolverine vs ock for that one...

Now you really don't want me to explain the difference between Doc Ock and the Hulk or Thing do you? I'd really rather save you the embarrassment.

Ridiculous, you're kidding me, what happened to the crucifxion.

Marrow putting a pipe down his thraot.

Archangel.

Getting warm, how about ogun and silver samurai giving him trouble.

I disagreed with the previous, because they are stating that healing would work BEFORE the actual damage took place.

In consequence to what you are saying, YES, he would be in a state before fully unconsciousness, but keep in mind that IN fights, a knockout is when the opponent is rendered unable to think, respond, etc. for themselves, now TECHNICALLY speaking, there is a state, but I don't see logan coming back from that with this kind of force.

Try explaining that to them though.

Marrows bone to the wind pipe did nothing except really piss Wolverine off. Cannonball had to crash into him to stop Wolverine from killing Marrow.

Not sure which Archangel thing you are talking about but his razor feathers send a shock to the nervous system and temporally paralyze the victim.

Ogun... mr. I can kill a full grown water buffalo with a casual slap, am beyond the concept of pain and death Ogun? And Silver Samurai has never given Wolverine to much trouble.

Once again to be koed you need to go down for the ten count... being knocked out for a second or two doesn't qualify a win.

Using that SAME TOKEN, just because a char was hit by a 100 ton lifter, than that doesn't mean the hits were at 100 tons. If I were to get hit by WW and stand up, I wouldn't go "I survived a 100 ton hit", so its hard to measure hits in comics, because often you'll see a guy like batman do more damage to a guy, than a hit by flash.

Do the math, obviously marvel didn't.

*sigh*

So in sort basically what you are saying is that the Hulk must not have been using his full strength because if he was *you think* that Wolverine couldn't take it. That isn't a very compelling argument.

Hehe... Hulk pulling his puches, I just can't get over that 😆