Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by Arahan
Well may be the guys Hulk usually fight are very strong basdards who can withstand blows from the Hulk. They have the strength, but Wolvi? He has not the power to withstand blows with such impact.

what happens if you hit a 100 pound man with 200 pounds of force?
what happens if you hit a 100 pound man with 2000 pounds of force?
what happens if you hit a 100 pound man with 20000 pounds of force?
what happens if you hit a 100 pound man with 200000 pounds of force?

Is it any different than a 200 pound man in each of those?
Is it any different than a 400 pound man in each of those?
Is it any different than a 800 pound man in each of those?

Like I said, many many characters have gotten up from hulk, Captain America even broke his grip.

Wolverine was dodging to his best ability to avoid hulk's attacks.

Has wolverine consistently stood up to hulk, yes. I can stand up to a car, not saying much.

Should he consistently beat hulk, no not really.

You cannot gauge those punches, and like I said, if wolverine were to fight someone like batman and captain america, the hits would hurt alot, but when he fights someone very very strong, he gets RIGHT up.

Grrr... I can't believe you want to argue that Hulk is holding back is punches.

How many times has Captain America been hit by the Hulk (ignoring the fact he has a shield that basicly multiples Hulk's attack by zero) and how many times has Wolverine been hit by the Hulk? One of them is an extremely rare occurance that can be PIS... the other has happened many times. Do I think Wolverine can beat the Hulk? No. Can he hold his own against the Hulk and take is best shots for a while? Yes, yes he can.

Are you telling me you logically belive that wolverine can take hulk's best hits and get RIGHT back up?

Its not what HAS happened, its what can or most likely will happen...

Heres the thing, I don't need to believe that Wolverine can do because I know he can do it. There is no leap of faith that needs to be taken, Wolverine has shown many, many times that he is able to do it and he will continue to do it.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Grrr... I can't believe you want to argue that Hulk is holding back is punches.

How many times has Captain America been hit by the Hulk (ignoring the fact he has a shield that basicly multiples Hulk's attack by zero) and how many times has Wolverine been hit by the Hulk? One of them is an extremely rare occurance that can be PIS... the other has happened many times. Do I think Wolverine can beat the Hulk? No. Can he hold his own against the Hulk and take is best shots for a while? Yes, yes he can.

I wan't to argue that he isn't logically hitting wolverine at his best at savage hulk level, and wolverine is simply shrugging them off.

Logic use it and apply it, wolverine can be taken down fine.

Like I said, when someone like cap hits wolverine, wolverine feels it fine enough, cyclops hurts him.

You want me to believe that wolverine is taking punches from hulk? The same hulk that lifted a mountain or broke an asteriod?

He isn't logically taking hulk at his best and smartest fighting.

Logans senses are stronger, a thunderclap will knock him out just fine...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Heres the thing, I don't need to believe that Wolverine can do because I know he can do it. There is no leap of faith that needs to be taken, Wolverine has shown many, many times that he is able to do it and he will continue to do it.

What is inconsistant you ask, not consistent. Not steady and therefore contradictory, so its MUCH more questionable when it is brought up.

Logical parameters are needed in debating, where there is no PIS, or comic "look goodness" in there.

Batman was written to give flash and superman trouble, will it happen here, no.

In comics definitely, there should be an unbiased opinion when it comes to looking at debates.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I wan't to argue that he isn't logically hitting wolverine at his best at savage hulk level, and wolverine is simply shrugging them off.

Logic use it and apply it, wolverine can be taken down fine.

Like I said, when someone like cap hits wolverine, wolverine feels it fine enough, cyclops hurts him.

You want me to believe that wolverine is taking punches from hulk? The same hulk that lifted a mountain or broke an asteriod?

He isn't logically taking hulk at his best and smartest fighting.

Logans senses are stronger, a thunderclap will knock him out just fine...

He has been shown to do many things, inconsistantly.

What is inconsistant you ask, not consistent. Not steady and therefore contradictory, so its MUCH more questionable when it is brought up.

Logical parameters are needed in debating, where there is no PIS, or comic "look goodness" in there.

Batman was written to give flash and superman trouble, will it happen here, no.

In comics definitely, there should be an unbiased opinion when it comes to looking at debates.

Here is your problem you like to believe the rare time when Wolverine is hit by a street with peak human strength and is hurt is the standard while the many more numerous Wolverine slugging it out with bricks feats are the exceptions. Wolverine slugging it out with bricks isn't the inconsistency the rare time Wolverine doesn't waste a street in a few minutes is. How do I know this? Because the former out numbers the latter by more then twenty to one!

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Here is your problem you like to believe the rare time when Wolverine is hit by a street with peak human strength and is hurt is the standard while the many more numerous Wolverine slugging it out with bricks feats are the exceptions. Wolverine slugging it out with bricks isn't the inconsistency the rare time Wolverine doesn't waste a street in a few minutes is. How do I know this? Because the former out numbers the latter by more then twenty to one!

Good point

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Here is your problem you like to believe the rare time when Wolverine is hit by a street with peak human strength and is hurt is the standard while the many more numerous Wolverine slugging it out with bricks feats are the exceptions. Wolverine slugging it out with bricks isn't the inconsistency the rare time Wolverine doesn't waste a street in a few minutes is. How do I know this? Because the former out numbers the latter by more then twenty to one!

Wolverine takes damage no differently than a human my friend, yes he heals, and has a skeleton,but it still hurts.

Wolverine hasn't consistently fought these top hitters without plot devices, that make the match interesting.

Plot devices don't count here, I'm sorry to tell you that. The character can knock him out the arena or pin him under a car, its an option given the locations they are in.

Many, many characters have taken hits from high hitters, and haven't lost immediately, why? The comics look bad.

Apply some logical parameters, and see that its not "its happened", its why its happened.

Spiderman can dish out more damage than wolverine can heal from, if he were to constantly hit him.

You can't gauge those hits.

But the thing is spidey always has to be on his toes because of one hit kills.

Being on his toes is what made spiderman famous, who is on their toes dodging more than him in marvel?

nobody but he is on defesne trying not to get hit thats just that wolverine can take a hit from him but with spidey it could be one and done if wolverine gets him good.

Wolverine has to get spiderman to fight on HIS terms.

Spiderman is more likely to hit wolverine with webbing, as it is ranged.

Spiderman's webbing has 120,000 tensile strength per square meter.

Are you sure peter is on pure defense?

Well the web thing is great but what happens when spidey runs out of web for his shooters then what.

Originally posted by Droopy
Well the web thing is great but what happens when spidey runs out of web for his shooters then what.

Well 2 things, I don't think peter would run out of those in this fight.

Second thing is the fact that its organic now, say it with me, organic .

That means it comes from him. Like shit... 😛

Peters other upgrades include 5 ton strength increase to 15tons, 5x reflex increase (to a total of twenty), and improved spider sense.

Somebody knows there spider man damn, but it aint no cakewalk for him because he aint a killer and wolvie aint easy to kill.Wolverine is the best at what he does

Lol, now you are going into coolness with me, "wolverine is the best at what he does".

Who said that, wolverine.

Well so did xavier but, that was after wolvie and teenage cyke fought.

Eitherway spiderman doesn't have to kill.

Incapacitation, knockout, out of area, and death are wins in this forum.

However it does inadvertently sound like you are suggesting that spiderman CAN in fact kill wolverine if he truly wanted to..

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Grrr... I can't believe you want to argue that Hulk is holding back is punches.

HULK SMASH LITTLE MAN! 😠

but hulk hit soft enough to only knock little man out. 😕

But the thing is spiderman aint killer and well wolverine has shed alot of blood so what I am bassically saying is Spider man is fighting a guy who can be more ruthless than alot of villians and Spider man may be able to do those things but it is like one mistake and he is done I mean I like spiderman because he is really kool and all but I dont think that if wolverine brings his A-Game somebodies got to die

Wolverine takes damage no differently than a human my friend, yes he heals, and has a skeleton,but it still hurts.

Yes but the damage is healed so quickly he only feels the pain for a brief moment, barely enough time for his brain to register. Besides that Wolverine is a bit of a masochist, he has said before the he likes the pain... makes him feel alive and such.

Wolverine hasn't consistently fought these top hitters without plot devices, that make the match interesting.

Haha! Good one man.

Wolverine runs in and throws down with his enemy. There are no plot devices, its not like we are talking about Spider-man here (that guy wins half his fights with ridiculous plot devices). There are out side circumstances, like in the Enemy of the State story line where for example Wolverine was trying to kill Namor who wasn't prepared to do the same; hardly a plot device though. But like I was saying there hardly any plot devices involved when Wolverine fights with bricks.

These are some Wolverine plot devices, adamantium hurts intangible people and adamantium knocks out Ghost Rider.

Plot devices don't count here, I'm sorry to tell you that. The character can knock him out the arena or pin him under a car, its an option given the locations they are in.

Luckily Wolverine is faster and more agile then all the bricks he fights then eh?

Can Wolverine be forcibly held down by a class 100? Yes. If there is car please on top of him can he push it aside? No. But how likely is it that this will happen? Almost all of the heavy hitters that Wolverine has fought have no range capabilities and have to deal with Wolverine in close range. His adamantium claws give him the ability to dish out heavy damage to these guys and any attempt to grab at his arms... isn't likely to work out in the favour of his attacker.

Many, many characters have taken hits from high hitters, and haven't lost immediately, why? The comics look bad.

Apply some logical parameters, and see that its not "its happened", its why its happened.

There is a difference between getting swatted aside like an insect by brick and taking full on hits time and time again from them. Considering the history between the Hulk and Wolverine, I am more then comfortable in saying that the Hulk isn't pulling his punches. Do I know for sure that he isn't using half strength? No but when you have an incredible angry man with rage issues shouting "LITTLE MAN ALWAYS TRY TO HURT HULK! HULK FINISH LITTLE MAN FOR GOOD; LITTLE MAN NOT HURT HULK ANY MORE!" I think it is safe to assume that a) he doesn't like Wolverine and b) he wants him gone as soon as possible. Its not like there is any love lost between the Hulk and Wolverine or that Hulk is known for pulling his punches is it?

Spiderman can dish out more damage than wolverine can heal from, if he were to constantly hit him.

Wolverine could let Spider-man beat him all day and he wouldn't go down for the ten count.

You can't gauge those hits.

I fell very comfortable with the assumption the Hulk isn't holding his back and I fell there is little to back up your assumption that he(and every other brick Wolverine fights) is.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Hulk holding back his punches?

HULK SMASH LITTLE MAN! 😠

but hulk hit soft enough to only knock little man out. 😕

Do wolverine fanboys read ANYTHING other than wolverine and his quotes.

Hulk has admitted on several occasions he didn't really want to fight wolverine. Hulk is no longer big, dumb, hulk, he doesn't like to hurt people for NO reason.

I find it funny you just tried to use logic while getting OWNED by AC, and now you droop right back to comic logic, you know hulk isn't one hitting a cash cow. Or do you?

Originally posted by Droopy
But the thing is spiderman aint killer and well wolverine has shed alot of blood

So has carnage, whats your point, the glory is the fact that if spiderman has to kill wolverine he CAN do it.

Spiderman has fought people like titania, he has ripped Iron Man 2020's armor. He is dangerous when need be.

Originally posted by Droopy
so what I am bassically saying is Spider man is fighting a guy who can be more ruthless than alot of villians

More ruthless than carnage, venom, lizard, etc.

Spiderman has faced ruthless for decades, the fact is spiderman just has more to bring to the table.

Originally posted by Droopy
and Spider man may be able to do those things but it is like one mistake and he is done

How will wolverine get spiderman to make a mistake, he has dodged many people, AND he has precog.

Wolverine makes a mistake, and will be cocooned.

Originally posted by Droopy
I mean I like spiderman because he is really kool and all but I dont think that if wolverine brings his A-Game somebodies got to die

Spiderman ALWAYS holds back, wolverine fights with less restraint.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Yes but the damage is healed so quickly he only feels the pain for a brief moment, barely enough time for his brain to register. Besides that Wolverine is a bit of a masochist, he has said before the he likes the pain... makes him feel alive and such.

Haha! Good one man.

Wolverine runs in and throws down with his enemy. There are no plot devices, its not like we are talking about Spider-man here (that guy wins half his fights with ridiculous plot devices). There are out side circumstances, like in the Enemy of the State story line where for example Wolverine was trying to kill Namor who wasn't prepared to do the same; hardly a plot device though. But like I was saying there hardly any plot devices involved when Wolverine fights with bricks.

These are some Wolverine plot devices, adamantium hurts intangible people and adamantium knocks out Ghost Rider.

Luckily Wolverine is faster and more agile then all the bricks he fights then eh?

Can Wolverine be forcibly held down by a class 100? Yes. If there is car please on top of him can he push it aside? No. But how likely is it that this will happen? Almost all of the heavy hitters that Wolverine has fought have no range capabilities and have to deal with Wolverine in close range. His adamantium claws give him the ability to dish out heavy damage to these guys and any attempt to grab at his arms... isn't likely to work out in the favour of his attacker.

There is a difference between getting swatted aside like an insect by brick and taking full on hits time and time again from them. Considering the history between the Hulk and Wolverine, I am more then comfortable in saying that the Hulk isn't pulling his punches. Do I know for sure that he isn't using half strength? No but when you have an incredible angry man with rage issues shouting "LITTLE MAN ALWAYS TRY TO HURT HULK! HULK FINISH LITTLE MAN FOR GOOD; LITTLE MAN NOT HURT HULK ANY MORE!" I think it is safe to assume that a) he doesn't like Wolverine and b) he wants him gone as soon as possible. Its not like there is any love lost between the Hulk and Wolverine or that Hulk is known for pulling his punches is it?

Wolverine could let Spider-man beat him all day and he wouldn't go down for the ten count.

I fell very comfortable with the assumption the Hulk isn't holding his back and I fell there is little to back up your assumption that he(and every other brick Wolverine fights) is.

Good stuff because what you are saying is spider man would use a plot to win the fight where wolverines wins fights just because he is in a fight and he is better skilled fighter

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