Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by radioboy121
Wolverine is hard for Spiderman to kill because his strength isn't that over the chart and even if breaking the neck is an instant kill, Wolverine isn't that slow to react to that without laying out his own attack. Hitting is faster to deliver than a grapple move.

Wolvering can lift between 500 - 800 lbs.
Spiderman can lift 10 tons.

Ever fight with someone who's well over 20 times stronger than you?
And much faster?

C'mon fanboys....I love Wolverine too,
but this really isn't much of a fight.....

Wolverine has fought against heavyweights and Spiderman's strength level is far from them. He's faster, but not blurring speed fast and he's definitely not untouchable. His spidersense is not full proof and he's been hit by those even slower than Wolverine.

To say so blindly that just strength and speed alone gives Spiderman this win is good enough.

Yes, Spidey has been hit by opponents slower than Wolverine.

Nobody is saying that Spidey is blurring speed fast. He doesn't have to be in order to beat Wolverine. Regardless, Spider-Man IS faster, and more agile than Wolverine, not to mention stronger AND he's got his spider sense.

Simply put, Wolverine is outclassed.

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radioboy121, have you ever tried boxing? I have and still do when I have the chancee or time. But being real, have you ever tried boxing lighter guys who you cant hit? Why do you think heavier boxers box lighter boxers? Because they are faster at dodging and hitting (mass x velocity). You can hit what you cant see. On the other hand, have you ever been hit by someone 2 stone or several kilograms (30 plus) more than you? Oh, you'll feel it alright and it will slow you down even if its for a minute. Have you ever been winded? Its not just Wolverine's skelenton that's gonna be affected but his lungs and his other organs. Healing? How long is it? Lets ask how long it takes (seconds?) which organ cause it? Then you can say ok, it's instantanous. Its a bit ridiculous as Marvel have turned him into some sort of Terminator. Remember, Terminator was a robot and even he shut off his system to reboot! Gosh, the way they're turning Wolverine into (he is flesh and bones) it dont make sense. In one mag, he's being shot at with Adamantum bullets and he's on a bike and yet nothing happens to him and he kills all the assassins. Come on the bullets would have destroyed the bike and tore through his flesh. The assassins had machine guns too.
Yet in another mag, he gets shot by one dumb gal in the head with one adamantum and he goes down. Even though it's to the head.

Isn't Wolverine supposed to sit down to concentrate on the healing organs to work? Does having a healing power mean you dont feel sever pain? The bruning sensation? Oh yeah, you'll heal from a broken bone or third degree burn but what about the pain?

You bring up ultimate Wolverine and normal Wolverine in the same tread showing you shouldn't be arguing here. Adamantium bullets would be no more effective against Wolverine then normal ones since Adamantium can't pierce Adamantium the damage will be the same. Wolverine has been burned badly so many times and doesn't do much to him (i.e. when he save Elsa Dee or when he fought Typoid in a marvel Presents issue)

Wolverine has said more then once he likes the pain and his fighting style changes when he fights fast opponents.

I must agree with your statements dude.

Originally posted by dami wilson
radioboy121, have you ever tried boxing? I have and still do when I have the chancee or time. But being real, have you ever tried boxing lighter guys who you cant hit? Why do you think heavier boxers box lighter boxers? Because they are faster at dodging and hitting (mass x velocity). You can hit what you cant see. On the other hand, have you ever been hit by someone 2 stone or several kilograms (30 plus) more than you? Oh, you'll feel it alright and it will slow you down even if its for a minute. Have you ever been winded? Its not just Wolverine's skelenton that's gonna be affected but his lungs and his other organs. Healing? How long is it? Lets ask how long it takes (seconds?) which organ cause it? Then you can say ok, it's instantanous. Its a bit ridiculous as Marvel have turned him into some sort of Terminator. Remember, Terminator was a robot and even he shut off his system to reboot! Gosh, the way they're turning Wolverine into (he is flesh and bones) it dont make sense.

He's been facing heavy hitters from the beginning. Spiderman hitting him will be far from the worse he's ever felt regardless if it's one or a hundred hits Spiderman is delivering. And let's be fair on the other spectrum also if you want to play with logic. I believe it was during the Sinister Six revival when Spiderman whose hands were currently occupied deflected a heavy piece of machinery with his head to protect a security guard. Spiderman is far from durable as his durability doesn't correlate with strength and by right he should have dead (it hurted him, but somehow didn't kill him).

In one mag, he's being shot at with Adamantum bullets and he's on a bike and yet nothing happens to him and he kills all the assassins. Come on the bullets would have destroyed the bike and tore through his flesh. The assassins had machine guns too.
Yet in another mag, he gets shot by one dumb gal in the head with one adamantum and he goes down. Even though it's to the head.

Your facts are incorrect. You are referring to the Scottish assassin who Wolverine supposedly killed years before but was out for revenge (actually you find it was the son that was applying the strategy). The mercenaries were told the bullets had some form of effect on adamantium, but you find out later they were duds. Duds. Being deal.

Isn't Wolverine supposed to sit down to concentrate on the healing organs to work? Does having a healing power mean you dont feel sever pain? The bruning sensation? Oh yeah, you'll heal from a broken bone or third degree burn but what about the pain?

He doesn't will his healing for it comes automatically and it will take plenty of time if it's deep enough. But Spiderman cannot hit hard enough or have a sharp blade to open a wound to be that great of effect. And of course he feels pain. Heck, it hurts whenever he pops out those claws, but he sucks it in like most of the pain that's thrown at him.

how hard is this, if wolverine gets tied up in webs he's toest if not spidey's toast,,,,,,spiderman's strength and speed are irrelivent since wolverine has fought stronger quicker opponents,,, Hulk has ridiculous amounts of speed to match his ridiculous amounts of muscle and wolverine bounds circles around the behemouth. when spidey and wolverine fought, spiderman was scared to death and surprised by how fast wolverine was thinking wolverine might even be faster than himself (that isn't true but it does attest to wolverine's speed being a bit beyond peak human speed as everyone else who doesn't know jack about the character would suggest). Also in the fight spidey punched the crap out of wolverine's head and wolverine just smiled at him for his troubles,,,,,THEN he tagged spidey in the face with a punch, if his claws were unsheathed spiderman as we know him would no longer exsist...... Wolverine as more of a killer instinct and more of a chance at beating spidey than the other way around, end of story.

Remeber, Spidey has been known to dance around the Hulk's attacks, even when he was mad. He even managed to unload dozens of punches to the head and shoulders in mid-air. Spidey outclasses Wolverine in every aspect except endurance (as far as natural drability goes, Spidey has him there to, think being hit with Ock's tentacles without an insane healing factor and standing up brushing himself off, whereas Wolvie minus the healing factor could not.)

Spidey's dealt with just about everyone Wolvie has dealt with and come off okay even without a near Hulk-like healing factor, Wolvie may have a "killer instinct" but Spidey could conceivably kill a normal to peak to low level superhuman with one bloodlusted punch. Wolverine minus claws could not.

jinzin was right on the money with his last post; I agree %100 with everything he said.

Not really one topic but man, Wolverine pawned the Sub-mariner in the New Invaders 6.

That comic was fan based.

Didn't the vote only decide who Wolverine would fight? The vote had little to do with the out come did it?

Wolverine has at least two good showings against Sub-mariner... not aware of any bad ones.

first of all they'll draw wolvie beating anyone nowadays...

cover of marvel knights spiderman 13... tell me spidey won't kick his ass after this...

SRANKMISSING or whatever,

the outcome of these fights are decided by human artists who each have their own opinion or who should win, (THEY ALL HAVE THEIR OWN HEROS WHO THEY PREFER). For instance if they get an artist who's name is yours or another wolverine fan (artist), guess who would win. So we should end this silly argument now that the results are decided by the artists drawing that comic and not based on the strengths of the heros. It depends on how many Wolverine fan based artists are there or other so.

This is like arguing about wrestlers in WWF or whatever it is now called. The fights are staged managed and the outcome comes from financial sales! It has nothing to do with the real strengths of the heros. Wolverine has become more and more popular so he gets to beat up more people. End of story!

but you'd expect writers to have a bit of balance...

i mean i'd never write cyclops beating the hulk ffs...

too many logan fanboys in comics imo...

dami wilson, you do realise that the comic writer decides who wins and the artist just puts in on paper right?

Wolverine has 30 years of comics under his belt and I can tell you that the 90's just didn't roll around with Wolverine magically starting to win fights. He has been on the same level for most of his career and with the exception of his healing factor most of his stats have been down graded if any thing.

pr1983, nice pic and let me say "ouch"! Wolverine is in for a fight (my previous post my be misleading but if you read back you'll see that I think Spider-man would win) it is never a good idea to piss off Spider-man.

yeah 80's Logan was tougher than the Logan of today.

Thanks you, good to know someone else of sound mind his on these forums.

no prob Srank..I've been reading more 80's stuff than current lately.