Originally posted by DizzleProbably in part to Wolverine deciding not to kill Spiderman, he becamse less of a threat. The tackle he tackled him fists first, had the claws been out he probably would have killed Spiderman.
Ah, I was looking at "could have killed him". My point was, Spiderman let him get there.
Originally posted by DizzleHis precog help make up for his lack of skill and learning how to do that. But he does NOT have lightspeed reactions.
See, the difference between him and other heroes is, he doesn't guess. Becuase of precog, he DOES have lightspeed reactions.
Originally posted by DizzleYes and his spidersense tells him rather than having to guess.
He knows where the guy will shoot and moves accordingly.
Originally posted by DizzleYup.
However, while Batman may guess wrong, Spiderman pretty much CAN'T guess wrong.
Originally posted by DizzleYup.
I know that was his plan. I'm saying he didn't bother trying to dodge, cuz he was concentrating on bringing his hands up to grab Wolverine's neck.
Originally posted by DizzleCharacter induced stupidity? I fail to see which character was being stupid.
I called it CIS.
Originally posted by DizzleThat's why he was cutting them.
Wolverine does not have the strength to pull through webs.
Originally posted by DizzleThat's how they were drawn. . .
There were enough webs attatching him to the wall
Originally posted by DizzleBecause you HAVE to be moving at light speed to cut through them? 🙄
that anyone short of Flash would need several seconds to cut through them-
Originally posted by DizzleAgain, artists depiction.
he was webbed on both sides of his body, down the length of both arms, etc. Cutting through them that fast would be PIS, because Wolverine does NOT move at lightspeed.
Originally posted by DizzleSpecial "organic" steel that has properties different from steel including not oxidizing.
Colossus, and therefore steel,
Originally posted by DizzleThat's one way to look at it, Hulk is generally depicted as bullet proof.
is much more durable than Hulk. Hulk gets by, much like Wolverine, on massive amounts of regeneration. The skin itself is not as tough as Colossus, or even Thing, most likely.
Originally posted by DizzleNo, they still aren't lightspeed.
Once again, reactions themselves are not lightspeed. Combined with precog, they are, plain and simple.
Originally posted by Dizzle😄
Communism rules. The totalitarian/fascist states that arise as a result from them do not. The word Communism, however, has come to describe both true Communism and the typical results of Communism. Basically, the government tells us Communism=Evil, then shows us pictures of the Soviets and China. It's kind of like how everyone in America also thinks we are both Capitalist and a Democracy...
Originally posted by DizzleHe was flying in place from the looks of it. . .
The guy was flying, shooting at Spiderman with lasers. (I'll attatch it...)
Originally posted by DizzleCute. Automatically assuming Wolverine's going to be standing there with his hand on his chest ready to be webbed?
If Spiderman webs Wolverine's arm to his chest,
Originally posted by DizzleYou said hit him with web, not "web his arm to him.
you bet your ass it'll slow him down.
Originally posted by DizzleYes outmattically getting wolverine into a compromising position regardless of wether or not its automatically feesable.
Or at least keep him from doing much damage. Don't point out the obvious. You know what I was getting at.
Originally posted by DizzleUnless he doesn't. . .
A bullet is different than a stream of webs. It gets cut, the rest keeps coming. He WILL get hit.
Originally posted by DizzleAnd automatically assuming Wolverine will be auto webbed, nice. To a chair this time. . .
Tie your leg and arm to your chair and tape up your face. Get a knife and see how long it takes to get free. Probably a lot longer than it would take to dump a whole crapload of webs on you.
Originally posted by Creshosk
That's why he was cutting them.That's how they were drawn. . .
Again, artists depiction.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
In some cases where there is no dialogue the art is the story.The artist and the writer usually aren't the same person. But the artist has more communication with the writer than you or I personally do.
It's a bit of a stretch to say that "There was a huge miscommunication and it isn't PIS/SvFL. People just aren't seeing it how I personally know the writers intended it to be but the artist did incorrectly."
Unless you're privy to a personal line of communication to the writer, then it isn't a feat of him cutting the web, it is as it is depicted a feat of him breaking out of it physically, something most everyone agrees he is incapable of doing.
<<I'm confused. Are you argueing that Wolverine CAN rip off Spider-man's webing, or that he can cut webing off that his claws can not get near?>>
simple and to the point . . .
nice.
and if spisey had been really going for it, he could have thrown more webbing from his forearms up. even if wolverine cuts the webs near his hands, all the rest would still hold him in place while more webbing to his face suffocates him.
where's that porsche guy? someone needs to write in that scan in big yellow letters -- COULD HAVE KILLED HIM! -- just before wolverine gets out of it.
Originally posted by soleran30Wolverine doesn't scare Spiderman anymore, only during that Fight because Spiderman was unfamiliar with Wolverine in a fight.
I guess the writers and artists didn't get together the day spiderman webbed wolverine to the wall 😕 Then let Spiderman crack a joke cuz thats what I would do if confronted by someone that scares me🙂
He's never demonstrated the same type of fear. Which is understandable since Wolverine obviously lost the intent to kill spiderman. (Spiderman would know this thanks to his spidersense.
Originally posted by sam_drugbringer
I'm confused. Are you argueing that Wolverine CAN rip off Spider-man's webing, or that he can cut webing off that his claws can not get near?
Exactly. Wolverine, in that particular instance, was in a position that would be physically impossible to cut out of. Which means he ripped himself out. Which is pretty freaking PISish.
What's your definition of lightspeed reactions? How bout dodging light? Like, I dunno... Lasers? There was no guesswork involved in that dodging. He saw where the blast was going and dodged it. No guesswork, effective 100% of the time.
Yes, Chance was flying in place, except for the fact that he was parallel to the ground, in that classic "flying forward" pose. Spiderman was getting chased.
My point was that if Wolverine is connected by a web to another object or piece of himself, then he would be significantly slowed down. You pointed out 2 places he could be hit, which are both unlikely, that would not really hinder him. You know what I meant. And you accuse people of grabbing at straws at the same time...
What, "standing on the ground" is a stretch? Spiderman hits Wolverine in the foot, it's more than likely that he can attatch that to the ground. He hits him in the chest, he swings Wolverine into the ground, then webs him to it. Are these really gigantic stretches?
Since you're at a computer, I assumed you had a chair handy. If you'd rather secure yourself to the wall or the floor for sake of trying to disprove my argument, go ahead. (Spiderman throws Wolverine into a wall or webs him and pulls him/throws him into the ground)
VIVA LA COMMUNISM!!!
Originally posted by CreshoskWhat theory and desperate attempts? The Wolverine doesn't need oxygen one? 😏 I smell hypocrisy at it's finest...
Scrambling to cover your ass? yawnSorry if I shot the theory down and now you're grasping at straws in a desperate attempt to keep it afloat.
Sorry you don't like it, but neither that, nor how the artist choose to draw it makes it PIS.
The thing about how the webbing adheres was a hypothetical, in which I made abundantly clear I had no definites on the manner the webbing adheres.
Here you're simply going to ignore the point made (as you incidently did while adamantly defending "Wolverine doesn't need to breathe for days."😉 that unless you're privy to additional knowledge of the writer, artist and editors intentions, you can't maintain your claim to know the writer's intentions as fact and that this was an artists error. Again who does the writer communicate more with... the artist or you personally? And do you have some special hotline to Marvel? As goes proverbially "Put up or shut up."
Originally posted by DizzleAgain, you're nitpicking the way that artist drew the events.
Exactly. Wolverine, in that particular instance, was in a position that would be physically impossible to cut out of. Which means he ripped himself out. Which is pretty freaking PISish.
Originally posted by DizzleHardly Wolverine and the X-men do that as well, but they do it based off of predicting where its going to go and then getting out of the way before its fired. You don't have to be as fast as something to dodge it, if you can get out of the way before it gets there.
What's your definition of lightspeed reactions? How bout dodging light?
Say a car is coming at you traveling at 60 mph, and you get out of the way long before it gets there. Did you dodge at 60 mph?
Say a car is coming at you traveling at 60 mph, and you get out of the way shortly before it gets there. Did you dodge at 60 mph?
Say a car is coming at you traveling at 60 mph, and you get out of the way just before it gets there. Did you dodge at 60 mph?
Originally posted by Dizzleyeah, the spidersense removes the guess work, but others can dodge lasers too, does that mean they move at lightspeed?
Like, I dunno... Lasers? There was no guesswork involved in that dodging. He saw where the blast was going and dodged it. No guesswork, effective 100% of the time.
Originally posted by Dizzlehitting someone who's coming at you is hardly a good feat for hitting someone fast.
Yes, Chance was flying in place, except for the fact that he was parallel to the ground, in that classic "flying forward" pose. Spiderman was getting chased.
Originally posted by DizzleAnd how is that going to be automatically be set up. Spiderman shoots webs out of his wrists, he doesn't materialize web between two things. . .
My point was that if Wolverine is connected by a web to another object or piece of himself,
Originally posted by DizzleHow is it grabbing at straws when I was countering the notion "Anywhere you hit him will slow him down." It's obviously not true.
then he would be significantly slowed down. You pointed out 2 places he could be hit, which are both unlikely, that would not really hinder him. You know what I meant. And you accuse people of grabbing at straws at the same time...
Originally posted by DizzleBecause Wolverine is just going to stand there or lay down for him?
What, "standing on the ground" is a stretch? Spiderman hits Wolverine in the foot, it's more than likely that he can attatch that to the ground. He hits him in the chest, he swings Wolverine into the ground, then webs him to it. Are these really gigantic stretches?
Originally posted by DizzleWhy that's not going to stun him why would he suddenly go prone?
Since you're at a computer, I assumed you had a chair handy. If you'd rather secure yourself to the wall or the floor for sake of trying to disprove my argument, go ahead. (Spiderman throws Wolverine into a wall or webs him and pulls him/throws him into the ground)
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
What theory and desperate attempts? The Wolverine doesn't need oxygen one? 😏 I smell hypocrisy at it's finest...The thing about how the webbing adheres was a hypothetical, in which I made abundantly clear I had no definites on the manner the webbing adheres.
Here you're simply going to ignore the point made (as you incidently did while adamantly defending "Wolverine doesn't need to breathe for days."😉 that unless you're privy to additional knowledge of the writer, artist and editors intentions, you can't maintain your claim to know the writer's intentions as fact and that this was an artists error. [b]Again who does the writer communicate more with... the artist or you personally? And do you have some special hotline to Marvel?
As goes proverbially "Put up or shut up." [/B]
Sir, you are a god...
Once again, Wolverine was in a position that he could not possibly have cut himself out. His wrists were webbed to the wall , and his claws are a foot long. The closest I can get a pencil to there is about a 90 degree angle. Wolverine would not cut his wrists free, and so the only thing he could have done was rip himself from the wall. Aka PIS to the extreme.
The one time Spiderman DID use webs on Wolverine, Wolverine took a LONG time to get free, after Spiderman just left him there.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotThe theory that Wolverine just ripped out of the webbing.
What theory and desperate attempts?
Originally posted by xmarksthespotThen stop spouting it it and you won't have to smell it.
I smell hypocrisy at it's finest...
Originally posted by xmarksthespotThen if you're not going to make any definites about how it adheres, why are you?
The thing about how the webbing adheres was a hypothetical, in which I made abundantly clear I had no definites on the manner the webbing adheres.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotWell I thought from the scan the text said. . . it doesn't matter now.
Here you're simply going to ignore the point made (as you incidently did while adamantly defending "Wolverine doesn't need to breathe for days."😉
I'm flattered by your desperate attempt to discredit me because I made a mistake in the past.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotRed herring, doesn't matter.
that unless you're privy to additional knowledge of the writer, artist and editors intentions, you can't maintain your claim to know the writer's intentions as fact and that this was an artists error. [/qyuote[ neither can you. The way I see it the artist is given some freedom as far as providing the art for the story, obviously there'd be some rules, but how he draws things would still be up to him so long as its withing the confines of the rules. Which is why no two artsis draw the characters the exact same.[QUOTE=5446162]Originally posted by xmarksthespot
[b]Again who does the writer communicate more with... the artist or you personally?
Originally posted by xmarksthespotStill attempting to cover your ass with a red herring. Same can be said of any posting of scientific evidence. did you do the study to discover this first hand? Or was this something you were taught by others?
And do you have some special hotline to Marvel? As goes proverbially "Put up or shut up." [/B]