And what did you say Will, ah yes that spidey could shoot webbing into wolverine's mouth and choke him to death, oh yes great argument cause u know that in a fight that wolverine everynow and then will stop for a moment let his jaw drop and allow spidey to shoot a bit of webbing in there, yeah great argument Will. 🙄
Originally posted by steverules
And what did you say Will, ah yes that spidey could shoot webbing into wolverine's mouth and choke him to death, oh yes great argument cause u know that in a fight that wolverine everynow and then will stop for a moment let his jaw drop and allow spidey to shoot a bit of webbing in there, yeah great argument Will. 🙄
Now, moving on to the less retarded folks here at kmc....
Both have a good chance at winning, it depends on the environment. Spiderman wins handily in any city scape. Wolverine wins the majority in any enclosed or flat land.
Originally posted by Porsche
Based upon this...... it's safe to assume that Wolverine CAN hit Spiderman. If Wolverine CAN hit Spiderman, that means he can BEAT Spiderman as each hit is very deadly. For this reason, in most situations Wolverine has a large advantage.
1. In the same sequence, Spiderman says, in a thought bubble, "I let him tackle me." Quite a feat there.
2. Spiderman just let himself get tackled. And he was planning on reaching up and pulling a neck snap at that point. He was kinda counting on Wolverine not going for the kill, but it's pretty heavily iimplied that he took that punch intentionally. It also doesn't help that Spiderman has dodged large bursts of lasers before. The guy he's fighting even remarks that he has the "speed of light" on his side. Spiderman could've either thrown Logan off him, or quite possibly even twisted out of the way.
3. That's after the whole "tackle, take a punch" thing. Spiderman was battling his morals right there, deciding whether to try to kill Wolverine or not...
4. That's the equivalent of Wolverine pulling through steel cables. When he can't even cut thick steel with his razor sharp adamantium claws. (Colossus) This is what we call "CIS".
5/6. Uh, see #2. Dodges lasers. Do Wolverine's fists move beyond lightspeed now? NO. Most of the time, Spiderman actually getting hit is pretty PISish.
You're quite good with propaganda. Ever considered becoming a Communist?
Spiderman definitely has extremely good aim with his webs. While dodging lasers, in midair, he webbed the guy's hands up. If Wolverine is running at him, is sticking his foot to the groud really not feasible? Anywhere that Spiderman hits him is going to slow him down. And Spiderman won't stand there... If he plays smart at all, he can jump away once Logan gets close and proceed with the webbing. Seriously, hit his foot, trip him, pour on as much of the stuff as you can. Can Wolverine cut an arm, a leg, and his face free from webs, while more is being continuously poured on? HELL NO.
Originally posted by Dizzle
1. In the same sequence, Spiderman says, in a thought bubble, "I let him tackle me." Quite a feat there.
Originally posted by DizzlePretty much one fluid motion from tackle to punch.
2. Spiderman just let himself get tackled. And he was planning on reaching up and pulling a neck snap at that point. He was kinda counting on Wolverine not going for the kill, but it's pretty heavily iimplied that he took that punch intentionally. It also doesn't help that Spiderman has dodged large bursts of lasers before. The guy he's fighting even remarks that he has the "speed of light" on his side. Spiderman could've either thrown Logan off him, or quite possibly even twisted out of the way.
Originally posted by DizzleI think he started that while he was punching wolverine, which lead to the decision of allowing a tackle . . .
3. That's after the whole "tackle, take a punch" thing. Spiderman was battling his morals right there, deciding whether to try to kill Wolverine or not...
Originally posted by DizzleActully YOU would call it PIS, since it's not a character moral flaw or wrong desicion sort of thing. . . But Collosus's metal has unknown properties, Wolverine can cut hulk's skin after all, no reason he can't cut webbing.
4. That's the equivalent of Wolverine pulling through steel cables. When he can't even cut thick steel with his razor sharp adamantium claws. (Colossus) This is what we call "CIS".
And he's not "ripping" out of the webbing, that's your interpritation of the artist's depiction of the story and story boarding calling for a one panled cutting himself free from the webbing.
Originally posted by DizzleSpiderman does not have lightspeed reactions 🙄
5/6. Uh, see #2. Dodges lasers. Do Wolverine's fists move beyond lightspeed now? NO. Most of the time, Spiderman actually getting hit is pretty PISish.
He's warned of the danger before the shot is fired and he starts to dodge bewfore the shot is fired. That's how most heroes dodge shots, they predict where its going to go and then move out of the way BEFORE the shot is fired.
Originally posted by DizzleWhat's wrong with communism? (aside from the fact that it doesn't take into account human nature and therefore is an easily abused form of government, but democrasy a.k.a. mob rule isn't much better)
You're quite good with propaganda. Ever considered becoming a Communist?
Originally posted by DizzleAnd? was the guy moving around a whole lot?
Spiderman definitely has extremely good aim with his webs. While dodging lasers, in midair, he webbed the guy's hands up.
Originally posted by DizzleOnly if it impedes movement, a chest shot or a but shot isn't going to hinder him that much.
If Wolverine is running at him, is sticking his foot to the groud really not feasible? Anywhere that Spiderman hits him is going to slow him down.
Originally posted by DizzleYou mean like he did in that one scene you're scraping to call PIS? But the most that's come from that is Spiderman's lightspeed reactions and interpritation of an artists depiction.
And Spiderman won't stand there... If he plays smart at all, he can jump away once Logan gets close and proceed with the webbing.
Originally posted by DizzleWolverine can also "dodge bullets" in the manner I described, he's even accurate enough to get his claws into the path of the bullet before the gun is fired, thus appearing to cleave the bullet fronm the air.
Seriously, hit his foot, trip him, pour on as much of the stuff as you can.
Originally posted by DizzleWhy not? It takes forever to cut the webbing?
Can Wolverine cut an arm, a leg, and his face free from webs, while more is being continuously poured on? HELL NO.
Originally posted by CreshoskAre you actually privy to this secret knowledge or are you just stretching further than even Plastic Man can...
And he's not "ripping" out of the webbing, that's your interpritation of the artist's depiction of the story and story boarding calling for a one panled cutting himself free from the webbing.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotI'm not the one that's saying that art is more important than the actual writing of the story am I?
Are you actually privy to this secret knowledge or are you just stretching further than even Plastic Man can...
The artist and the story writer aren't always the same person.
Calling something PIS because of the way the artist drew the scene is rather assinine.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I'm not the one that's saying that art is more important than the actual writing of the story am I?The artist and the story writer aren't always the same person.
Calling something PIS because of the way the artist drew the scene is rather assinine.
Well you said they aren't always the same but lets not play that assume game again🙂
Calling something PIS because of the way the artist drew the scene is still PIS 😂
the fight in that infamous spidey v wolverine really was ridiculous. (uh-oh, quick leo, duck! someone's gonna be hurling rocks with FANBOY on them your way!!)
why DIDN'T he use webs? because he was panicking? uhgnnn . . . he's made a living of fighting the friggin' lizard whose claws could shred him every bit as quickly as wolvie's could, who is likely as fast or faster than wolvie stronger and who also goes for the kill. i KNOW it was written that he was afraid, but come on . . . he was afraid so he fought at close range?? ridiculous. and seriously porsche/scanboy, even creshok (one of the biggest wolvie supporters 'round here!) acknowledged that wolverine couldn't touch spidey til spidey let him tackle him. give it a rest my friend. and cool it with the skewed scans. . .
frankly, i mostly agree with creshok's assessment. in closed space, wolverine has a distinct advantage, while in the city where there are lots of places to cling and swing from, spidey has the advantage. in a wide open space i still say spidey beause of his speed and webbing. if spiderman uses his webbing creatively, he could certainly win this fight. dizzle gives a pretty good example of something that could work. while spidey was punching his head through that gravestone, he should have webbed his head and face to it as well then just kept pouring it on. sabe's had to literally rip his face off to get rid of the webbing. a continual stream in his nose mouth and eyes would be bad news for wolverine. mix in a bunch over the rest of his body and maybe web his arms to his body and wolverine is really in trouble. it's all about how the fight is written.
i also agree with whirly -- both written to their best/peak, i think spiderman wins.
Originally posted by soleran30Yes because art is more important than the story, drawing a character too tall or a line too thick, or using the wrong color/shade. makes the story PIS. ❌
Well you said they aren't always the same but lets not play that assume game again🙂Calling something PIS because of the way the artist drew the scene is still PIS 😂
Originally posted by CreshoskIn some cases where there is no dialogue the art is the story.
I'm not the one that's saying that art is more important than the actual writing of the story am I?The artist and the story writer aren't always the same person.
Calling something PIS because of the way the artist drew the scene is rather assinine.
The artist and the writer usually aren't the same person. But the artist probably has more communication with the writer than you or I personally do.
It's a bit of a stretch to say that "There was a huge miscommunication and it isn't PIS/SvFL. People just aren't seeing it how I personally know the writers intended it to be but the artist did incorrectly."
Unless you're privy to a personal line of communication to the writer, then it isn't a feat of him cutting the web, it is as it is depicted a feat of him breaking out of it physically, something most everyone agrees he is incapable of doing.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I think that's what the jab
"Spiderman's intelligent fighting techniques"
is talking about.Pretty much one fluid motion from tackle to punch.
Spiderman does NOT have lightspeed reactions. 🙄
Spiderman dodges before the shot is fired.I think he started that while he was punching wolverine, which lead to the decision of allowing a tackle . . .
Actully YOU would call it PIS, since it's not a character moral flaw or wrong desicion sort of thing. . . But Collosus's metal has unknown properties, Wolverine can cut hulk's skin after all, no reason he can't cut webbing.
And he's not "ripping" out of the webbing, that's your interpritation of the artist's depiction of the story and story boarding calling for a one panled cutting himself free from the webbing.
Spiderman does not have lightspeed reactions 🙄
He's warned of the danger before the shot is fired and he starts to dodge bewfore the shot is fired. That's how most heroes dodge shots, they predict where its going to go and then move out of the way BEFORE the shot is fired.
What's wrong with communism? (aside from the fact that it doesn't take into account human nature and therefore is an easily abused form of government, but democrasy a.k.a. mob rule isn't much better)
And? was the guy moving around a whole lot?
Only if it impedes movement, a chest shot or a but shot isn't going to hinder him that much.
You mean like he did in that one scene you're scraping to call PIS? But the most that's come from that is Spiderman's lightspeed reactions and interpritation of an artists depiction.
Wolverine can also "dodge bullets" in the manner I described, he's even accurate enough to get his claws into the path of the bullet before the gun is fired, thus appearing to cleave the bullet fronm the air.
Why not? It takes forever to cut the webbing?
Ah, I was looking at "could have killed him". My point was, Spiderman let him get there.
See, the difference between him and other heroes is, he doesn't guess. Becuase of precog, he DOES have lightspeed reactions. He knows where the guy will shoot and moves accordingly. However, while Batman may guess wrong, Spiderman pretty much CAN'T guess wrong.
I know that was his plan. I'm saying he didn't bother trying to dodge, cuz he was concentrating on bringing his hands up to grab Wolverine's neck.
I called it CIS. Wolverine does not have the strength to pull through webs. There were enough webs attatching him to the wall that anyone short of Flash would need several seconds to cut through them- he was webbed on both sides of his body, down the length of both arms, etc. Cutting through them that fast would be PIS, because Wolverine does NOT move at lightspeed.
Colossus, and therefore steel, is much more durable than Hulk. Hulk gets by, much like Wolverine, on massive amounts of regeneration. The skin itself is not as tough as Colossus, or even Thing, most likely.
Once again, reactions themselves are not lightspeed. Combined with precog, they are, plain and simple.
Communism rules. The totalitarian/fascist states that arise as a result from them do not. The word Communism, however, has come to describe both true Communism and the typical results of Communism. Basically, the government tells us Communism=Evil, then shows us pictures of the Soviets and China. It's kind of like how everyone in America also thinks we are both Capitalist and a Democracy...
The guy was flying, shooting at Spiderman with lasers. (I'll attatch it...)
If Spiderman webs Wolverine's arm to his chest, you bet your ass it'll slow him down. Or at least keep him from doing much damage. Don't point out the obvious. You know what I was getting at.
A bullet is different than a stream of webs. It gets cut, the rest keeps coming. He WILL get hit.
Tie your leg and arm to your chair and tape up your face. Get a knife and see how long it takes to get free. Probably a lot longer than it would take to dump a whole crapload of webs on you.
Originally posted by leonidasAnd had he fought/was he used to Wolverine? Not in the slightest. Has he been afraid of ewolverine since? Not in the slightest.
the fight in that infamous spidey v wolverine really was ridiculous. (uh-oh, quick leo, duck! someone's gonna be hurling rocks with FANBOY on them your way!!)why DIDN'T he use webs? because he was panicking? uhgnnn . . . he's made a living of fighting the friggin' lizard whose claws could shred him every bit as quickly as wolvie's could, who is likely as fast or faster than wolvie stronger and who also goes for the kill. i KNOW it was written that he was afraid, but come on . . .
Originally posted by leonidasHE paniced and wasn't thinking straight. . people do panic when under pressure, and this is a 20 something year old fight. Spiderman has become considerably more experienced since then.
he was afraid so he fought at close range??