Originally posted by DizzleBecause that's the way the artist drew him.
Sir, you are a god...Once again, Wolverine was in a position that he could not possibly have cut himself out.
Seriously, I l;ike how desperate you guys get. but if you have to stoop to pointing out the way the artist drew something to override the story that's being told, then the fight is already over.
Originally posted by leonidasThe artist drew the scene incorrectly. That is the extent of my assesment of the situation.
seriously creshosk, how ARE you explaining his getting out of that predicament?
Though I'd loove to hear how you'd draw the scene to better fit the story.
I still find that calling a scene PIS because of the art is assinine.
It's not my theory that he ripped out of the webbing. It is what is shown. It is a feat beyond his capabilities.
It is your claim that he cut himself free, your theory that this is an artist error, your theory that the writer intended differently. All are baseless, unless you're privy to some sort of additional knowledge, unless you intend to provide something to support this claim, you have to stop making this claim as if it is fact.
Originally posted by CreshoskAs noted earlier you do get rather defensive in this thread don't you?
Because that's the way the artist drew him.Seriously, I l;ike how desperate you guys get. but if you have to stoop to pointing out the way the artist drew something to override the story that's being told, then the fight is already over.
People are "grasping at straws" and "desperate" and "fanboys" when they conclude from the observable depiction that this is a feat of getting out of the web via physical force, and thus a feat beyond his capabilities.
Whereas you are none of the above when based on nothing at all, you make a claim that what is depicted by the artist is due to a breakdown of communication between the artist and the writer and this got past the editor. "The artist is wrong and I am right." Really?
Originally posted by xmarksthespotAnd it's said to be due to the art, rather than simply the story.
It's not my theory that he ripped out of the webbing. It is what is shown. It is a feat beyond his capabilities.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotIt follows logically.
It is your claim that he cut himself free, your theory that this is an artist error, your theory that the writer intended differently.
A lot better than a desperate "The art is this way, so the whole scene is PIS.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotAnd you have to stop making the claim that he RIPPED out of it based on the way that you interpreted the art of the event. Unless you'd like to provide evidence that he did indeed rip himself out rather than cut himself out.
All are baseless, unless you're privy to some sort of additional knowledge,[/quiote] I need more knowledge to interpreate things differently from you? 🙄[QUOTE=5446385]Originally posted by xmarksthespot
unless you intend to provide something to support this claim, you have to stop making this claim as if it is fact.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotDue to the bullshit of trying every angle and oppertunity to give an advantage to one character over the other. Everything that is brought up to favor one of the characters is instantly attempted to be shot down, and THIS time it's because of an interpretation the art which is completely assinine.
As noted earlier you do get rather defensive in this thread don't you?
Originally posted by xmarksthespotBecause it's not being set up with " this event is beyond his capabilities as the conclusion, its being lead off with "This is beyond his capabilities, and I'm going to find every opportunity to prove it. Regardless of weather this premise is the most logically feesable.
People are "grasping at straws" and "desperate" and "fanboys" when they conclude from the observable depiction that this is a feat of getting out of the web via physical force, and thus a feat beyond his capabilities.
Hell some people say that Wolverine himself is PIS. Some people say that all of his encounters with Spiderman are PIS. And they don't give any GOOD reasons why.
Because the artist drew the event this way, it's PIS.
Had he drawn the evernt fdifferently would iot still have been PIS?
Yes, because it became PIS from the Spiderman supporters the INSTANT it was revealed that the entire scene was in Wolverine's favor and NOT Spidermans. Until then the spiderman supporters were more than happy to use it. Now they can't wait to discard it.
So yeah, you might say that I get a bit cynical and defensive after all the bullshit I've put up with. PARTICULARLY from a certain member who spends his entire time trying to discredit me.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotPutting words into my mouhth. where did I EVER say that is was a breakdown in communication? Go ahead and quote me where I said that.
Whereas you are none of the above when based on nothing at all, you make a claim that what is depicted by the artist is due to a breakdown of communication between the artist and the writer and this got past the editor. "The artist is wrong and I am right." Really?
Because I've been saying that the artists probably have leneancy in their art which is why each artist draws the characters differently.
So I still find "Because the artist drew the event this way it's PIS." to be completely assnine.
Originally posted by King_MungiNo you don't. By page 100 you wonder that, 200 you start to figure it wont. 300 you know it never will. 400 you get used to it being there.
You know when you reach page.428 you have to stop and wonder....will this ever end?
Mental note: You STILL can't capitalize numbers.
🤨 I spend my entire time trying to discredit you?
No, not "Because the artist drew it this way it's PIS." If he ripped through the web physically then him ripping through web=PIS, not necessarily the entirety of the scene or the book, but the feat.
Now if one is not meant to interpret the art of the book in panels without dialogue, then what is one supposed to interpret?
Is he depicted as having used physical force to get out of the web? Yes. You yourself have stated that that is the artist's depiction. That is general interpretation of the feat as depicted.
Your interpretation is that he cut himself out. The panel prior has his arms webbed in a position untenable to claiming he cutting himself free. The next panel has him free. There is no real indication that he cut himself free in either panel.
What exactly this particular feat is supposed to be an example of is lost to me. It cannot be taken as an example of him cutting himself out of web, because... well... that is never depicted, stated, implied etc. It cannot be taken as an example of him ripping himself out of the web because that falls under the jurisdiction of PIS/SvFL.
Yes, King Mungi, this thread is waaaaaaaaay too long.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotNo not you.
🤨 I spend my entire time trying to discredit you?
Originally posted by xmarksthespotAnd yet when other parts are mentioned the other parts are also called PIS because of that scene. So prove that he was ripping out of the webbing rather than cutting himself out of a webbed up position that would allow the story to flow better.
No, not "Because the artist drew it this way it's PIS." If he ripped through the web physically then him ripping through web=PIS, not necessarily the entirety of the scene or the book, but the feat.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotWhat is the overall story of what was happening?
Now if one is not meant to interpret the art of the book in panels without dialogue, then what is one supposed to interpret?
Wolverine charged at Spiderman, Spiderman easily dodged and webbed him, Wolverine got free and tagged Spiderman because he wasn't expecting it and Wolverine hit him because he was expecting Spiderman to dodge.
I've got a theory on the exact why of thewhole scene including the "ripping out" interpretation. But for personal reasons I am not at liberty to disclose this theory.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotAd populem. "general" interpritation may not be the right one.
Is he depicted as having used physical force to get out of the web? Yes. You yourself have stated that that is the artist's depiction. That is general interpretation of the feat as depicted.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot[ going purley off of the way the artist drew the scene, rather than the story itself.
Your interpretation is that he cut himself out. The panel prior has his arms webbed in a position untenable to claiming he cutting himself free. The next panel has him free. There is no real indication that he cut himself free in either panel.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotAnd its not actually states or implied that he ripped out either and the depiction is based on interpritation of the way the artist drew the scene.
What exactly this particular feat is supposed to be an example of is lost to me. It cannot be taken as an example of him cutting himself out of web, because... well... that is never depicted, stated, implied etc. It cannot be taken as an example of him ripping himself out of the web because that falls under the jurisdiction of PIS/SvFL.[/]b
Originally posted by xmarksthespotGee I wonder why? Not exactly Like Wolverine is the most popular on the forums, so its not like he's going to get a fair shake, what with people more willing to discredit and discard events rather than explain what is already there, unlike other heroes, nor is he allowed certain privleges reserved for other characters such as exceeding his given stats. . .
[B]Yes, King Mungi, this thread is waaaaaaaaay too long.
Originally posted by CreshoskI personally haven't said that a PIS/SvFL individual feat discredits a scene... so you can take that up with someone else.
And yet when other parts are mentioned the other parts are also called PIS because of that scene. So prove that he was ripping out of the webbing rather than cutting himself out of a webbed up position that would allow the story to flow better.
Now ripping himself out of the web as depicted allows the story to flow just fine and you know that. It would however make the individual feat a feat of PIS.
Originally posted by CreshoskImo using this as an example of Wolverine getting free from webbing isn't wise.
What is the overall story of what was happening?Wolverine charged at Spiderman, Spiderman easily dodged and webbed him, Wolverine got free and tagged Spiderman because he wasn't expecting it and Wolverine hit him because he was expecting Spiderman to dodge.
Originally posted by CreshoskGeneral opinion may be the right one, too. General opinion is that the Earth is roughly spherical in shape. Based on what is depicted... how do you interpret the scene? No extrapolation on what you would have liked to be depicted... just on what is depicted.
I've got a theory on the exact why of thewhole scene including the "ripping out" interpretation. But for personal reasons I am not at liberty to disclose this theory.Ad populem. "general" interpritation may not be the right one.
[ going purley off of the way the artist drew the scene, rather than the story itself.
Originally posted by CreshoskBased on what is depicted... how do you interpret the scene?
And its not actually states or implied that he ripped out either and the depiction is based on interpritation of the way the artist drew the scene.
Originally posted by CreshoskDon't go all martyr complex... both sides have individuals that have an almost pathological love of the character - which is why I left this thread and I have no idea why I went back in - both sides try to discredit opposing sides argument and feats. There are numerous people on both sides.
Gee I wonder why? Not exactly Like Wolverine is the most popular on the forums, so its not like he's going to get a fair shake, what with people more willing to discredit and discard events rather than explain what is already there, unlike other heroes, nor is he allowed certain privleges reserved for other characters such as exceeding his given stats. . .
Originally posted by long pig
Well, stop being a retard, ya' damn retard.😄
I was stating my opinion and being sarcastic about what Will said, so I guess since being sarcastic is now counted as retarded I guess you're calling your self and every one on this forum who's ever been sarcastic a retard, and I think that's about everyone.
Originally posted by steverules
That wasn't sarcasm that was fact, Will told me earlier that he thought that wolvie could be beaten by abit of webbing down the throat.
Yeah how about next time you try to read the context its written in. I know Logan is fast. spider-man is much faster. You say Logan's reflexes are quicker than spidey's webbing. I have yet to see this. Plus i never said the first thing spidey would do is shhot webbing down logan's throat. Spidey would beat logan up a bit and then shoot webbing down his throat.
Originally posted by Creshosk
The artist drew the scene incorrectly. That is the extent of my assesment of the situation.Though I'd loove to hear how you'd draw the scene to better fit the story.
I still find that calling a scene PIS because of the art is assinine.
yet the art was correct when Logan cut storm's cape right? it was just the dialogue that was wrong......... 🙄
now just for steverules............ what i just said........that was sarcasm