Originally posted by scotsmn
Wolverine has the speed necessary to tag Spiderman because he has extentions at the end of his fists, his claws. The claws are further away from the joint so they are traveling at a faster velocity, particularly the tip of his claws since the further you are from the joint the faster the speed.
Originally posted by scotsmn
Dr. Octopuses arms are much longer, so the speed at the tips of his arms is going to be quick. However, since he relies strickly upon the tips of his arms for damage (that's where he has the little claws/grapples I believe) it's harder to make just those points connect.
Originally posted by scotsmn
They are so far from him body that the advantage in speed is overcome by the lessened ability to have them change directions to compensate for Spiderman's agility. Once Spiderman gets past the ends up his arms, Dr. Octopus is very exposed. He's not a good fighter close up.
Originally posted by scotsmnLike he was did in the graveyard? Oh I forgot, he was unable to do ANYTHING until Spidey let him because even though Spidey was moving slow, he was STILL faster than Wolverine. The process wouldn't end until Spidey wanted it to. Wolvie honestly lacks the speed or strength to do anything about it.
Or Wolverine could tag him once in the face during this drawn out process and end it 😱
Originally posted by scotsmn
His combined 4..... yes. But only because there are 4 and only when all 4 are attacking at the same time.
I must disagree. Their length and flexibility also work to their advantage. If Ock is fighting to his potential, he would be trying to grapple as well as strike. He could therefore use the full length of his tentacles in his attack, rather than just the tip. It is obviously much more difficult to evade a high-speed, 5 meter long arm than a relatively slow moving claw that is approximately 1/3 of a meter in length.
Plus, remember Wolverine's arms are limited in what kinds of movement are possible in a way that Doc Ock's aren't. Wolverine, for example, cannot bend his elbow backwards. His shoulder is more flexible than his elbow, but he still cannot rotate it with the same freedom that Ock can move his tentacles. Also, Wolverine has 3 joints in his arm: shoulder, elbow, and the wrist. Doc Ock has no such limitations on his arm's flexibility. He can have 1 "joint" or 10, at his choosing, which can allow for a practically unpredictable number of configurations and angles of attack.
Plus he's got 4 of `em. 😉
Originally posted by MelnormeReminds me of wolverine vs ock... that thread was epic... taking the words out my mouth...
I must disagree. Their length and flexibility also work to their advantage. If Ock is fighting to his potential, he would be trying to grapple as well as strike. He could therefore use the full length of his tentacles in his attack, rather than just the tip. It is obviously much more difficult to evade a high-speed, 5 meter long arm than a relatively slow moving claw that is approximately 1/3 of a meter in length.Plus, remember Wolverine's arms are limited in what kinds of movement are possible in a way that Doc Ock's aren't. Wolverine, for example, cannot bend his elbow backwards. His shoulder is more flexible than his elbow, but he still cannot rotate it with the same freedom that Ock can move his tentacles. Also, Wolverine has 3 joints in his arm: shoulder, elbow, and the wrist. Doc Ock has no such limitations on his arm's flexibility. He can have 1 "joint" or 10, at his choosing, which can allow for a practically unpredictable number of configurations and angles of attack.
Plus he's got 4 of `em. 😉
To sum it up... there's too much mass in those arms relative to the portion of them when would be lethal to Spiderman. I don't think the midpoint of those arms moves anywhere near the speed of Wolverine's claws.
Why do you think the tip of Dr. Oct's arms are 1 foot long? The way I have seen them depicted they seem much shorter than that.
Originally posted by scotsmnConstrict, keep away, climb up walls. Ock is just too versatile... wolverine can only do what his arms can reach....
To sum it up... there's too much mass in those arms relative to the portion of them when would be lethal to Spiderman. I don't think the midpoint of those arms moves anywhere near the speed of Wolverine's claws.Why do you think the tip of Dr. Oct's arms are 1 foot long? The way I have seen them depicted they seem much shorter than that.
Originally posted by brainchild81
Like he was did in the graveyard? Oh I forgot, he was unable to do ANYTHING until Spidey let him because even though Spidey was moving slow, he was STILL faster than Wolverine. The process wouldn't end until Spidey wanted it to. Wolvie honestly lacks the speed or strength to do anything about it.
You have a good point, but I don't think you're taking this to its logical conclusion. In any environment, except for a completely barren desert, plain, or artic field (and how often is Spidey ever seen in one of these?), Wolverine wouldn't be able to close with Spidey unless Spidey chose to get to within melee range.
From this distance, Spidey could easily keep his distance, webbing him down, throwing heavier props than Wolverine could catch, taunting, etc. Wolverine would slowly become tired/impatient/enraged and therefore be softened up. At that point, Spidey could attack from above/behind while Wolverine is partially webbed/trapped under a prop, and do his thing. Wolverine would be unable to escape from webbing if he simply could not move his arms. This could easily be achieved by affixing his wrists and forearms flush against his body, or affixing his forearms and wrists to the floor and/or a wall. It would require at least a Class 50 or 75 Strength to break free under these circumstances, and Wolverine's a Class 10 or Class 20 at best. Incapacitated in this way, Spidey could just fill his mouth and nose with webbing. Unless Wolverine can hold his breath for more than an hour, he would surely die, or at least be rendered unconscious. And considering this is a Bloodlusted bout...I don't think Spidey would be holding back.
Is till don't undertand what's being argued. . .When has Wolverine ever hit spiderman, without there being an example of Spiderman dodgeing with ease? The only reason he even went into close quarters With wolverine in the graveyard is because Spiderman wasn't used to Wolverine, or when he thought Wolverine was an imposter. Beyond that he's always dodged and used webbing. . .
Wolverine's not tagging Spiderman before Spiderman tires.
Originally posted by scotsmn
To sum it up... there's too much mass in those arms relative to the portion of them when would be lethal to Spiderman. I don't think the midpoint of those arms moves anywhere near the speed of Wolverine's claws.
Moreover, who said anything about the midpoint? Why are you trying to change the subject? He can hit with the last meter of those arms with MUCH more force than Wolverine can. The arms are stronger, and the structure of the arm allows for a whiplike motion that increases the speed of the tip far more than a human arm and wrist ever could.
Originally posted by scotsmn
Why do you think the tip of Dr. Oct's arms are 1 foot long? The way I have seen them depicted they seem much shorter than that.
But again, it doesn't matter. Doc Ock could score a crippling blow with either his claws (at 1/3 of a meter) or any part of the last meter of the tentacle itself, as he is frequently shown to do.
Originally posted by MelnormeI take everything to it's logical conclusion.🙁 I'm trying to leave props out of this though. With props, it'd be too easy. Wolvie might get impatient or enraged, but he's very unlikely to tire. Spidey can finish this before any fatigue sets in.
You have a good point, but I don't think you're taking this to its logical conclusion. In any environment, except for a completely barren desert, plain, or artic field (and how often is Spidey ever seen in one of these?), Wolverine wouldn't be able to close with Spidey unless Spidey chose to get to within melee range.From this distance, Spidey could easily keep his distance, webbing him down, throwing heavier props than Wolverine could catch, taunting, etc. Wolverine would slowly become tired/impatient/enraged and therefore be softened up. At that point, Spidey could attack from above/behind while Wolverine is partially webbed/trapped under a prop, and do his thing. Wolverine would be unable to escape from webbing if he simply could not move his arms. This could easily be achieved by affixing his wrists and forearms flush against his body, or affixing his forearms and wrists to the floor and/or a wall. It would require at least a Class 50 or 75 Strength to break free under these circumstances, and Wolverine's a Class 10 or Class 20 at best. Incapacitated in this way, Spidey could just fill his mouth and nose with webbing. Unless Wolverine can hold his breath for more than an hour, he would surely die, or at least be rendered unconscious. And considering this is a Bloodlusted bout...I don't think Spidey would be holding back.
Originally posted by Melnorme
You're free to disagree, but mere gainsaying isn't convincing.Moreover, who said anything about the midpoint? Why are you trying to change the subject? He can hit with the last meter of those arms with MUCH more force than Wolverine can. The arms are stronger, and the structure of the arm allows for a whiplike motion that increases the speed of the tip far more than a human arm and wrist ever could.
Because they've been depicted as large enough to grasp the wrists of some big boys. I'm pretty sure these guys have some thick wrists.
But again, it doesn't matter. Doc Ock could score a crippling blow with either his claws (at 1/3 of a meter) or any part of the last meter of the tentacle itself, as he is frequently shown to do.
The end of his arms would be traveling at a faster speed than the end of Wolverine's arm. True.
The impact caused by this would be greater than the impact caused by Wolverine's claws. True.
The damage caused by this would be greater than the damage caused by Wolverine's claws. False.
Spiderman is a pretty durable guy who's taken PLENTY of punches and lumps in the past. Because he's so hardy, the best attack vs. SPIDERMAN is one that cuts him deeply.
Originally posted by CreshoskDitto. Spidey's also fast enough to take it to Wolvie in close quarters though(Graveyard was pretty close quarters), he's just gotta remember that punches aren't everything. I hate it when Spidey fights like Superman 😠
Wolverine's not tagging Spiderman before Spiderman tires.
Originally posted by brainchild81
I take everything to it's logical conclusion.🙁 I'm trying to leave props out of this though. With props, it'd be too easy. Wolvie might get impatient or enraged, but he's very unlikely to tire. Spidey can finish this before any fatigue sets in.
I apologize, I meant no offense. I just meant that you could have been a bit more...ruthless in your analysis. 😈
And I completely agree...Spidey could wrap this up long before fatigue set in. Not that Spidey hasn't been known to fight for hours on end anyway...but he wouldn't need it.