Originally posted by Melnorme
Which doesn't prove conclusively that he's in the same category as the Hulk.Which also doesn't mean conclusively that a heavy hitter can't knock out Wolverine, but we all knew that already. 😉
Most of all the incarnations have been in Hulk's league [probally not the one who battled Sabertooth though]
Different incarnations:
http://www.mutanthigh.com/wendigo.html
No way was I even saying a heavy hitter couldn't knock him out. I am merely explaining the events of the issue you asked what it was from. Good lord, I'm not getting in this debate, it's never ending
Wolverine taking Hulk punches is obviously PIS. He gets KOed by bullets. 🙂 Spiderman flicks him for the win. 🙂
(and yes, this is for the sheer number of scans that are basically saying "Spdiey got hit, he cant doge teh wulberinee!!!111"😉
Arguments of "well, he was holding back" are precisely the reason most encounters between Spidey and Wolverine shouldn't be counted, really. Kind of like crossovers. Spidey's high end feats go well beyond his fights with Wolverine, from dodging computerized laser bursts to covering Hulk in webs within the span of a second or two. Likewise, Logan isn't quite stupid enough to just get backhanded away, or get knocked out by bullets. Like it or not, if one character's low end feats are usable, the other's should be as well.
Hence...
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Most of all the incarnations have been in Hulk's league [probally not the one who battled Sabertooth though]Different incarnations:
http://www.mutanthigh.com/wendigo.htmlNo way was I even saying a heavy hitter couldn't knock him out. I am merely explaining the events of the issue you asked what it was from. Good lord, I'm not getting in this debate, it's never ending
Hehe, that it is.
And I realize you weren't suggesting that Wolverine is beyond being knocked out. You're more sensible than that. That part was for the other guy's benefit. 😉
Originally posted by Dizzle
Wolverine taking Hulk punches is obviously PIS. He gets KOed by bullets. 🙂 Spiderman flicks him for the win. 🙂(and yes, this is for the sheer number of scans that are basically saying "Spdiey got hit, he cant doge teh wulberinee!!!111"😉
Arguments of "well, he was holding back" are precisely the reason most encounters between Spidey and Wolverine shouldn't be counted, really. Kind of like crossovers. Spidey's high end feats go well beyond his fights with Wolverine, from dodging computerized laser bursts to covering Hulk in webs within the span of a second or two. Likewise, Logan isn't quite stupid enough to just get backhanded away, or get knocked out by bullets. Like it or not, if one character's low end feats are usable, the other's should be as well.
Hence...
Wolverine being knocked down by bullets =l= being knocked out by Spiderman. Weak example.
I however can show you examples of Wolverine doing that to Spiderman. Not to some other person and pretending that could have been Spiderman.
"When someone argues that they have seen evidence of something but that the evidence doesn't count because that character "shouldn't be able to do that" they need to re-think the premise of thier conclusion. A characters abilities are based on what he or she demonstrates he or she can do, not on what someone thought they could do at one time. if spidey's never been able to knock him out well..." - Jinzin
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Originally posted by King_Mungi
Most of all the incarnations have been in Hulk's league [probally not the one who battled Sabertooth though]Different incarnations:
http://www.mutanthigh.com/wendigo.htmlNo way was I even saying a heavy hitter couldn't knock him out. I am merely explaining the events of the issue you asked what it was from. Good lord, I'm not getting in this debate, it's never ending
i would say even that wendigo was in hulk's league... that wendigo did trash sassy something fierce and sasquatch is currently well above the 100 ton class.
Originally posted by Dizzle
Wolverine taking Hulk punches is obviously PIS. He gets KOed by bullets. 🙂 Spiderman flicks him for the win. 🙂(and yes, this is for the sheer number of scans that are basically saying "Spdiey got hit, he cant doge teh wulberinee!!!111"😉
Arguments of "well, he was holding back" are precisely the reason most encounters between Spidey and Wolverine shouldn't be counted, really. Kind of like crossovers. Spidey's high end feats go well beyond his fights with Wolverine, from dodging computerized laser bursts to covering Hulk in webs within the span of a second or two. Likewise, Logan isn't quite stupid enough to just get backhanded away, or get knocked out by bullets. Like it or not, if one character's low end feats are usable, the other's should be as well.
Hence...
not really a great example to secure your point man..
not because it's a low end feat, but because of the reasons that it's a low end feat.
are you aware for instance, that when this happened:
-wolverine was erasing the present from his mind,
-wolverine literally forgot he was wolverine and thought he was just a normal human being,
-wolverine was seeing things like angels and random people shouting that he was best at what he did while he was doing thought monologues,
-wolverine had already lost blood, fluids, was dehydrated and hadn't eaten for some time (all things he needs in order to keep his healing factor going strong).
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it's not really valid, even for the point you were trying to make..
Originally posted by scotsmn
"When someone argues that they have seen evidence of something but that the evidence doesn't count because that character "shouldn't be able to do that" they need to re-think the premise of thier conclusion. A characters abilities are based on what he or she demonstrates he or she can do, not on what someone thought they could do at one time. if spidey's never been able to knock him out well..." - Jinzin✅ ✅ ✅
Exactly. Everything that happens in a comic book that's used for shock value, to generate sales, to create buzz, and for the sake of plot(Plot device) should be considered cannon since it happened...Right?
Particularly those issues where logic and continuity are completely thrown out the window(ie Wolverine surviving from a Nuke, SM beating Firelord..etc)
Inconsistent feats make it very easy to determine the victor of these battles, and make it real easy for one to claim that their favorite character has a reasonable chance against any opponent, regardless of the circumstances or the power level of the opponent they face. ✅
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Exactly. Everything that happens in a comic book that's used for shock value, to generate sales, to create buzz, and for the sake of plot(Plot device) should be considered cannon since it happened...Right?Particularly those issues where logic and continuity are completely thrown out the window(ie Wolverine surviving from a Nuke, SM beating Firelord..etc)
Inconsistent feats make it very easy to determine the victor of these battles, and make it real easy for one to claim that their favorite character has a reasonable chance against any opponent, regardless of the circumstances or the power level of the opponent they face. ✅
of course not every single feat should be considered as gospel truth, wolvie taking a nuke is pis in it's purist.. spidey had plot devices and circumstances but it wasn't hardcore pis IMO... the rest well.. that's just totally strawmanning... wolverine's been superior to spiderman consistently, there goes that argument...
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Which is why plot devices are used since he isn't smart enough to actually do anything BUT fight...
? plot devices are item used by character to help them win. that would mean wolverine does not use plot devices. by the way ur incorrect wolverine has above average inteligence.