Originally posted by whobdamandog
Brother Jinzin don't give up..remember it is written..As long as ye can lie..the power of or lord Wolverine will never die..
Blessed be ye brother...
As it is written in the letter of Logan to the Disciples, verse 88:
"Though the damage might be but a scratch, or a gash, or the most trivial of blemish to the skin, in the eyes of the WolverLord, it shall be as though all entrails and viscera have been split over!"
So, as Brother WhoB was rightly pointing out, don't undersell yourself, or the Lord Wolverine. Keep the faith, be strong, and keep pushing your feats, even when you think you've got nothing left to give. The most important thing for Him is an unswerving loyalty to the belief that He is the greatest above all!
Can I get an Amen?
Originally posted by Melnorme
That's right, brother! Even if you couldn't follow a train of thought if your face was stapled to it, you can keep up the good fight! Have faith!
as if you can? 🤨
dude.. bloodlust.. fighting to the best of one's abilities but in character.. why? cause cis isn't exempt from these fights...
so if spiderman's fighting to the best of his abilities in bloodlust but due to blooblust he fights like crap.. well....
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Hey whats up Jinzin. Is the Spidey guys trying to make jokes or discredit the other side again since they have no proof of what they said except a selective one ? They still avioding things by jokes ?
pretty much.. this takes me back to the trio thread... i think it's a fitting time for this quote...
cptjk to spidey fanboys..."You have insulted the 3 characters, and when that didn't work, you insulted their fans. When THAT didn't work, you insulted their fans based on arguments you had with OTHER fans. You people are pathetic."
Originally posted by jinzin
pretty much.. this takes me back to the trio thread... i think it's a fitting time for this quote...cptjk to spidey fanboys..."You have insulted the 3 characters, and when that didn't work, you insulted their fans. When THAT didn't work, you insulted their fans based on arguments you had with OTHER fans. You people are pathetic."
😂
Well it's the spidey gus because me and the spideys ide member metalmanx came to some agreement and didn't try to eat each other but the other spidey guys went insanse and if spidey does not get a 9/10 or 10/10 they will get mad. 😂 so the thread lives 🙂
Originally posted by jinzin
as if you can? 🤨dude.. bloodlust.. fighting to the best of one's abilities but in character.. why? cause cis isn't exempt from these fights...
so if spiderman's fighting to the best of his abilities in bloodlust but due to blooblust he fights like crap.. well....
You just don't get it. You're necessarily being biased if you take the Bloodlust rule and interpret it to mean that a character is fighting with rage to the point of being a worse fighter than he is normally. You're taking a rule and, through your own subjective (and false) interpretation, spinning it to mean that Spider-Man will not fight well, even though that is the exact opposite of what the rule means. Fighting "within character" means that they still fight by the same conscious rules that they always do...for example Spider-Man won't roll up with an AK, Professor X won't shank someone, and Batman won't kill someone, because those are against their morals or ethics.
Or, in other words, to apply the Bloodlust rule as a positive to one character, and a negative to another is biased, and not what the rule is intended for, and you know it.
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
😂Well it's the spidey gus because me and the spideys ide member metalmanx came to some agreement and didn't try to eat each other but the other spidey guys went insanse and if spidey does not get a 9/10 or 10/10 they will get mad. 😂 so the thread lives 🙂
That's a very interesting interpretation of the events. It's also interesting that you assume that MetalManX's opinion and yours takes priority over mine. I wasn't aware that you two were in charge.
Originally posted by Melnorme
You just don't get it. You're necessarily being biased if you take the Bloodlust rule and interpret it to mean that a character is fighting with rage to the point of being a worse fighter than he is normally. You're taking a rule and, through your own subjective (and false) interpretation, spinning it to mean that Spider-Man will not fight well, even though that is the exact opposite of what the rule means. Fighting "within character" means that they still fight by the same conscious rules that they always do...for example Spider-Man won't roll up with an AK, Professor X won't shank someone, and Batman won't kill someone, because those are against their morals or ethics.Or, in other words, to apply the Bloodlust rule as a positive to one character, and a negative to another is biased, and not what the rule is intended for, and you know it.
it's not biased though 😕
it's biased to assume that bloodlust will change one character into fighting like a completely different character in spite of the bloodlust rule requiring him/her to fight IN character.. which is later asserted when the rules explain that cis is in effect for these fights..
in otherwords.. if spiderman has bloodlust on he forgoes his morality but he fights like crap (as he has more consistently displayed)
or...
he can keep his cis.. but he holds back (as spiderman fans keep reminding everyone in every spidey vs human thread)
it might seem like I'm being subjective but I'm not.. I'm taking the rules as face value... you're the one trying to interpret them to MAKE them work for spiderman...
Originally posted by jinzin
as if you can? 🤨dude.. bloodlust.. fighting to the best of one's abilities but in character.. why? cause cis isn't exempt from these fights...
so if spiderman's fighting to the best of his abilities in bloodlust but due to blooblust he fights like crap.. well....
Wait...am I reading this right?
Are you still under the assumption that if Spiderman fights according to KMC Bloodlust rules that he'll fight like he's blinded with rage?
They're two different things, man. And I know you know this.
Originally posted by jinzin
it's not biased though 😕it's biased to assume that bloodlust will change one character into fighting like a completely different character in spite of the bloodlust rule requiring him/her to fight IN character.. which is later asserted when the rules explain that cis is in effect for these fights..
Yes, and you are saying that by the Bloodlust rule, Wolverine will fight better and Spider-Man will fight worse, thus causing him to fight like a completely different character. You concede that this is bias. Thank you for your honesty.
Originally posted by jinzin
in otherwords.. if spiderman has bloodlust on he forgoes his morality but he fights like crap (as he has more consistently displayed)
Originally posted by jinzin
it might seem like I'm being subjective but I'm not.. I'm taking the rules as face value... you're the one trying to interpret them to MAKE them work for spiderman...
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Wait...am I reading this right?Are you still under the assumption that if Spiderman fights according to KMC Bloodlust rules that he'll fight like he's blinded with rage?
They're two different things, man. And I know you know this.
Originally posted by Melnorme
You're reading it right. Thank you for your candor on this matter. I suspected that Jinzin was merely being intellectually dishonest, but this confirms it.
When Spideys angry, he's less likely to pull a punch or try another method because his fist got sore. He's NOT gonna stop jumping and dodging and fight like an idiot. It's general spider-man lore. If you piss him off, he flips out and doesn't go easy or get cocky.
Spidey throws jokes around because he's nervous and not very confident in a fight. If he's threatening you, he's beyond doubting himself.
Also, I disagree about ne thing Mel. Spidey won't forgo morals if he's fighting with Bloodlust on, but it depends WHY it is. Is he doing it because of an unknown reason and only on because of this fight? Or is it because MJ got hurt/killed? If it's the latter, every fight is gonna be him webbing up Wolverines claws and mouth together(as in claws would pierce his face) and then strangling him until he eventually succumbs. Spider-Man is not one to let you touch his loved ones and live to see next Thursday.
Also, he(Jinzin) is misinterperting CIS.
Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.
This includes codes of conduct not to kill. But Spidey would forgo that if he lost MJ or his aunt.