Originally posted by soleran30
lol which is comical brainchild seeing as when spiderman would hit Wolveirne the same thing would happen as in your sig except exchange spiderman and venom and the flying sm for wolverine.
first off... venom's about 2 to 3 times stronger than spiderman...
second hitting admantium hurts class 70's.. hitting things that hurt make you not want to hit them so hard...
third wolverine weighs a good bit more than spiderman does..
and finally.. while you are right in that IF spiderman does hit logan hard it will send him flying.. you also neglect that should spiderman try to hit him that hard he'll be lucky if he doesn't break his hand... (i.e. sabretooth)
Several things. This thread is OLD.
A) Has normal Wolverine ever really truly BEATEN Savage Hulk? I've seen him impale Grey Hulk and get tossed around a whole bunch of times. I've seen him survive from Hulk strikes, but Hulk hits slow enough that he has plenty of time to heal before he takes another shot. Death doesn't count, was enhanced by a huge amount. He physically overpowered X Man's telekinesis for crying out loud...
B) I've said it before, I'll say it again. Stop falling back on Wolverine vs. Spidey fights, most all of them are positively riddled with PIS, regardless of who the winner was.
C) Spiderman's main power is being unhittable. It's to the point where anything short of a fairly high leveled speedster hitting him is an instance of him holding back, saving someone, or just being a idiot. He's dodged enough machinegun and laser fire from point blank and from odd positions to make that supportable, at the very least.
D) Webs. Spiderman's aim is pretty godly. He's to the point where he can catch bullets and such with them, among other things. His aim, coupled with his large speed advantage makes his webs a massive advantage, as Wolverine has no range whatsoever. (yes, large speed advantage... Wolverine's shown as fast against humans, but I've NEVER seen him pull the blur trick against anyone worth mentioning, where Spiderman is consistantly at LEAST a bit faster than pretty much everyone he fights, Wolverine included)
E) How is dodging Electro's lightning not typical Spiderman? He dodges everything. Machine gun fire, bursts of lasers, fists, claws, what have you. Why should lightning be all that much different?
Originally posted by jinzin
which still holds true....spiderman has never had an overabuntant speed advantage over any peak human level fighter... while he does retain a slight advantage reguardless... but hell he's even admitted being leary of wolverine's speed being as fast as his own....
It's not overly abundant, but he certainly has
http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=43817rq.gif
point blank and explanation on how he reacts to everything
http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidersenseexplanation9pw.jpg
maybe i could get scan of him dodging an army of hyrdra merc's firing at him from that hydra original avengers copies story not so long ago...
Originally posted by jinzin
first off... venom's about 2 to 3 times stronger than spiderman...second hitting admantium hurts class 70's.. hitting things that hurt make you not want to hit them so hard...
third wolverine weighs a good bit more than spiderman does..
and finally.. while you are right in that IF spiderman does hit logan hard it will send him flying.. you also neglect that should spiderman try to hit him that hard he'll be lucky if he doesn't break his hand... (i.e. sabretooth)
lol first off so what he's what a 15 tonner please wolverine weighs what 300 lbs pffttt big deal
yup it could hurt him hitting adamantium but then again grabbing him and throwing him wouldn't be much harder he'd still go as far.
So what he breaks a bone doesn't mean he cannot do it just like toss him in the air and web him then go for the long throw.
Originally posted by Dizzle
Several things. This thread is OLD.A) Has normal Wolverine ever really truly BEATEN Savage Hulk? I've seen him impale Grey Hulk and get tossed around a whole bunch of times. I've seen him survive from Hulk strikes, but Hulk hits slow enough that he has plenty of time to heal before he takes another shot. Death doesn't count, was enhanced by a huge amount. He physically overpowered X Man's telekinesis for crying out loud...
B) I've said it before, I'll say it again. Stop falling back on Wolverine vs. Spidey fights, most all of them are positively riddled with PIS, regardless of who the winner was.
C) Spiderman's main power is being unhittable. It's to the point where anything short of a fairly high leveled speedster hitting him is an instance of him holding back, saving someone, or just being a idiot. He's dodged enough machinegun and laser fire from point blank and from odd positions to make that supportable, at the very least.
D) Webs. Spiderman's aim is pretty godly. He's to the point where he can catch bullets and such with them, among other things. His aim, coupled with his large speed advantage makes his webs a massive advantage, as Wolverine has no range whatsoever. (yes, large speed advantage... Wolverine's shown as fast against humans, but I've NEVER seen him pull the blur trick against anyone worth mentioning, where Spiderman is consistantly at LEAST a bit faster than pretty much everyone he fights, Wolverine included)
E) How is dodging Electro's lightning not typical Spiderman? He dodges everything. Machine gun fire, bursts of lasers, fists, claws, what have you. Why should lightning be all that much different?
Because lightning goes at the speed of light. 😄
Originally posted by soleran30
lol first off so what he's what a 15 tonner please wolverine weighs what 300 lbs pffttt big dealyup it could hurt him hitting adamantium but then again grabbing him and throwing him wouldn't be much harder he'd still go as far.
So what he breaks a bone doesn't mean he cannot do it just like toss him in the air and web him then go for the long throw.
cause that's oh so easy to do?
oh wait that's right
"can't let up, if I give him a moment he'll kill me"
and the one time spiderman DID try and grab logan?
Originally posted by jinzin
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This is why I wanted you to post these scans (I wasn't trying to be a hypocrite, I just wasn't aware Wolvie of these feats). Given that the forum rules that each character will fight to the best of their abilities, I tend to focus on their top end feats. However, in this case it seems I wasn't aware of Logan's. Sorry for my mistake. I apparently need to go over the Wolverine respect thread again and reconsider the fight.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
It's not overly abundant, but he certainly hashttp://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=43817rq.gif
point blank and explanation on how he reacts to everything
http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidersenseexplanation9pw.jpg
maybe i could get scan of him dodging an army of hyrdra merc's firing at him from that hydra original avengers copies story not so long ago...
what does that prove in terms of this fight.. has spiderman ever been untouchable to dd? nope..
does dd have wolverine's stamina? nope....
Originally posted by TheKahn
😮This is why I wanted you to post these scans (I wasn't trying to be a hypocrite, I just wasn't aware Wolvie of these feats). Given that the forum rules that each character will fight to the best of their abilities, I tend to focus on their top end feats. However, in this case it seems I wasn't aware of Logan's. Sorry for my mistake. I apparently need to go over the Wolverine respect thread again and reconsider the fight.
it's cool... sorry I assumed you were already aware...
lol which is exactly why he can dodge a bullet point blank range right before the kid pulls the trigger.
One thing Wolv fans need to get clear him hitting spiderman is to make wolv folks happy..............................wolverine is beyond slow mo compared to spiderman.
LOL jinzin it does say to the best of their abilities so for that purpose spiderman is untouchable to DD
Originally posted by jinzin
what does that prove in terms of this fight.. has spiderman ever been untouchable to dd? nope..does dd have wolverine's stamina? nope....
Does stamina make you faster? nope. Considering that's not a prolonged fight in that scan, DD wasn't tired at all.
And properly written against DD, almost.
Spider-man is not untouchable but if there are logical instances that he is, it's mainly because of him ignoring SS and pure PIS against people with street leveller speed.
An argument against the small speed gap? All characters are written down when they face weaker opponents. It's why Flash don't speed blitz everyone and why Supes doesn't punch everyone through dimensions for an instant kill, even when he says he isn't holding back.
Spiderman's fast as hell when he fights someone faster than him. He's tripped Quicksilver and webbed Speed Demon, not to mention his multiple insane dodging acrobatic feats. Yet Wolverine can compete, and possibly equal him there? Hell no.
