Originally posted by Dizzle
As long as we aren't arguing for him surviving 3 days without air here... 😉
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I remember arguing for about thirty pages with creshosk on that subject.
Put it this way, As far as I know there is no conclusive evidence to support the fact Logan can survive a noticeable amount longer than without air than the next man. He requires oxygen to breathe. Webbing to the mouth will most certainly work. As earlier mentioned spidey got Lizard in the mouth. Whilst the anatomy may be different to logan, bear in mind Lizard moves faster than spidey. Spidey still managed to get the webbing in. Wolverine moves much slower than spidey therefore etc etc etc
Originally posted by jrodslam
Sorry. I didnt know this fight was set in an arena setting. 🙁
Its not officially, but every time we suggest a fight with floors or walls or possibly atmosphere, some wolverine supporters were angry that we are giving spidey too many advantages.......... 🙄
Originally posted by willRules
I remember arguing for about thirty pages with creshosk on that subject.Put it this way, As far as I know there is no conclusive evidence to support the fact Logan can survive a noticeable amount longer than without air than the next man.
up to and including 15 or 20 minutes as was implies when he was trapped underwater by tigershark...
Originally posted by willRules
He requires oxygen to breathe. Webbing to the mouth will most certainly work. As earlier mentioned spidey got Lizard in the mouth. Whilst the anatomy may be different to logan, bear in mind Lizard
which is why i asked if he processes things the same as wolverine.. wolverine can literally see bullets coming at him in slow motion and he's pwned guys like iron fist and chang chi who have been stated to move as fast as their thought process allows them to think....
If lizard can't do that than it doesn't matter.. and again, wolverine's mouth is about 3 unhinged jaws smaller than lizards... AND I'm still a bit curious as to how his healing factor would deal with the foriegn substance..
it's been known to push out poisions effectively from occasion to occasion, it killed off the brood embryo trying to grow inside him, it heals around objects that have been lodged inside him....
Originally posted by willRules
Its not officially, but every time we suggest a fight with floors or walls or possibly atmosphere, some wolverine supporters were angry that we are giving spidey too many advantages.......... 🙄
How is it not officially? Is that not what the rules state?
and for the other bit...not really, but when spidey supporters are coming up with analogies comparible to the MTU example.. well that's less than credible as a repeatable scenario in my opinion..
no one to my knowledge has tried to debate against the ground lol.. but when spiderman supporters start talking about spiderman jumping up on a wall and spraying an inexaustable amount of webbing while piling cars on top of ol' logan well.. that just kind of defeats the purpose of the debate really.
Originally posted by Valharu
Jinzin. You are the man! I find your insight and reasoning concerning Logan is spot on. Every Super Hero needs an upgrade and because Logan is a mutant, the writers are doing it in a very clever and subtle way. Beware the Wolverine.
i can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic...
wolverine supporters have to deal with a lot of abuse and sometimes it gets hard to tell...
To answer your question on seeing things slower, Spidey's is like Slade +10. Not only does he see things slower when his Spider-sense hits him, but he can also think and react quicker than most. I think the number is 15 or 25 times faster than a normal human, but his reflexes are 40 times quicker. The first Spider-Man movie's fight with Flash Thompson was one of the better portrayals I've ever seen. I think Venom vs Hulk they did something similar, but I don't remember that book very well.
Originally posted by ThunderstrikeYou realize that's the only place he's been portrayed with bullet time right? and of course the movies aren't canon and thus aren't admisible as evidence.
To answer your question on seeing things slower, Spidey's is like Slade +10. Not only does he see things slower when his Spider-sense hits him, but he can also think and react quicker than most. I think the number is 15 or 25 times faster than a normal human, but his reflexes are 40 times quicker. The first Spider-Man movie's fight with Flash Thompson was one of the better portrayals I've ever seen. I think Venom vs Hulk they did something similar, but I don't remember that book very well.
The first Spider-Man movie's fight with Flash Thompson was one of the better portrayals I've ever seen.
Read what's underlined. That means that it's the best looking portrayal of the Spider-sense that I have seen thus far. Lighten up. Also, it's been said for years on end how quick he is, Creshok. It's canon, so don't deny it.
Originally posted by jinzinI have respect for Wolverine and what he's capable of. It's not a one sided battle. The only thing saving Spiderman is his webbing. And Logan being a mutant with his mutations not fully understood, he has a lot of growth I believe still to come. Beware the Wolverine.
i can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic...wolverine supporters have to deal with a lot of abuse and sometimes it gets hard to tell...
Originally posted by ThunderstrikeStill not canon, still not useable as a comparison.
The first Spider-Man movie's fight with Flash Thompson was one of the better portrayals I've ever seen.
Originally posted by ThunderstrikeNo the movies are not canon, I'm sorry but if you insist on using a non-616 spiderman am I allowed to use a non-616 wolverine of my choosing?
Read what's underlined. That means that it's the best looking portrayal of the Spider-sense that I have seen thus far. Lighten up. Also, it's been said for years on end how quick he is, Creshok. It's canon, so don't deny it.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Still not canon, still not useable as a comparison.No the movies are not canon, I'm sorry but if you insist on using a non-616 spiderman am I allowed to use a non-616 wolverine of my choosing?
Oh my GOD! Can you not read? I'm saying the fact Spider-Man sees things in slow motion is canon! Good lord man! I knew you were going to deny it from the start. Are you wound up so tightly from this debate that you would go and dissect a small comparison? Jeez.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Still not canon, still not useable as a comparison.No the movies are not canon, I'm sorry but if you insist on using a non-616 spiderman am I allowed to use a non-616 wolverine of my choosing?
There was already a scan that i posted confirming this from SS v2 somewhere along that thread. In fact, you've discussed that with me somewhere along this thread too.
you've even tried to criticize his bullet time feat there. But other than that, he has been consistent along that lines with CIS and PIS mainly his obstacle.
Originally posted by Thunderstrike
To answer your question on seeing things slower, Spidey's is like Slade +10. Not only does he see things slower when his Spider-sense hits him, but he can also think and react quicker than most. I think the number is 15 or 25 times faster than a normal human, but his reflexes are 40 times quicker. The first Spider-Man movie's fight with Flash Thompson was one of the better portrayals I've ever seen. I think Venom vs Hulk they did something similar, but I don't remember that book very well.
ummm i was asking about the lizard.. 😕
Originally posted by Thunderstrikeawgioyio;arnhby8oawtt7weryutruiop truiogtrrfrzrmjigfrjigfrfj
Oh my GOD! Can you not read?
Seriously though, yes I can read. Just because I reject your false reality and insert the Marvel Universes reality does not mean I cannot read.
Originally posted by ThunderstrikeREpost the evidence of this plz k'thnx
I'm saying the fact Spider-Man sees things in slow motion is canon!
Originally posted by ThunderstrikeI do tened to deny anything that does not coincide with KMC rules and the workings of the material in question. Astute of you to know this before hand.
Good lord man! I knew you were going to deny it from the start.
Originally posted by ThunderstrikeYes. if you are not here to debate the topic seriously why are you here? The off-topic thread is quite suited for socializing.
Are you wound up so tightly from this debate that you would go and dissect a small comparison? Jeez.
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedCould you provide evidence here and now? or do you expect me to do your legwork for you?
There was already a scan that i posted confirming this from SS v2 somewhere along that thread. In fact, you've discussed that with me somewhere along this thread too.
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedNow with the implication of another thread I must insist on clearifying what other thread you are thinking of.
you've even tried to criticize his bullet time feat there.
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedCis yes.
But other than that, he has been consistent along that lines with CIS and PIS mainly his obstacle.
PIS? I'm going to have to ask for events in question because that seems to be akin to the holy grail among spidey supporters thinking they can dismiss anything they don't like as PIS without explination, or when countered they simply ignore the counter and attempt to subsequently dismiss it as PIS again. and further without reason.
Originally posted by Creshosk
PIS? I'm going to have to ask for events in question because that seems to be akin to the holy grail among spidey supporters thinking they can dismiss anything they don't like as PIS without explination, or when countered they simply ignore the counter and attempt to subsequently dismiss it as PIS again. and further without reason.
Originally posted by Creshosk
awgioyio;arnhby8oawtt7weryutruiop truiogtrrfrzrmjigfrjigfrfjSeriously though, yes I can read. Just because I reject your false reality and insert the Marvel Universes reality does not mean I cannot read.
REpost the evidence of this plz k'thnx
I do tened to deny anything that does not coincide with KMC rules and the workings of the material in question. Astute of you to know this before hand.
Yes. if you are not here to debate the topic seriously why are you here? The off-topic thread is quite suited for socializing.
It's established. You're not reading me right.
I was just talking about a visual interpretation of how the 616 Spider-sense works, and that the movie was the closest thing. It was that simple. I was debating the topic seriously, and just mentioned the movie in passing.
Originally posted by ThunderstrikeAgain, just because I do not accept your fanboy delusions does not mean that I cannot read.
It's established. You're not reading me right.
Nor because I am not interpreting the way you want your words to be read, rather than the way you are stating them, likewise does not mean that I cannot read.
Originally posted by Thunderstrikein your opinion. I've never seen it stated or read in 616 that things slow down for him, especially not to the point where he can dodge a pucnch and look up and down the arm in the bullet time manner that he did.
I was just talking about a visual interpretation of how the 616 Spider-sense works, and that the movie was the closest thing.
Originally posted by ThunderstrikeYou referenced the movie and even ascerted that "Not only does he see things slower when his Spider-sense hits him"
It was that simple. I was debating the topic seriously, and just mentioned the movie in passing.
I instantly knew you were refering to the movie. It was nice of you to ascert that that was what you were refering to without me having to point it out.
Your attempts to disaccosiate yourself from your previous comments, even in this backtracking manner leads me to wonder if you retract your previous statements? of course since you also restated them in the very post that this post of mine is responding to... I can only assume you are indeed not.
Which leads me to question why you would attempt to backpeddel by saying you only mentioned it in passing?
Originally posted by Creshosk
Again, just because I do not accept your fanboy delusions does not mean that I cannot read.Nor because I am not interpreting the way you want your words to be read, rather than the way you are stating them, likewise does not mean that I cannot read.
in your opinion. I've never seen it stated or read in 616 that things slow down for him, especially not to the point where he can dodge a pucnch and look up and down the arm in the bullet time manner that he did.
You referenced the movie and even ascerted that "Not only does he see things slower when his Spider-sense hits him"
I instantly knew you were refering to the movie. It was nice of you to ascert that that was what you were refering to without me having to point it out.
Your attempts to disaccosiate yourself from your previous comments, even in this backtracking manner leads me to wonder if you retract your previous statements? of course since you also restated them in the very post that this post of mine is responding to... I can only assume you are indeed not.
Which leads me to question why you would attempt to backpeddel by saying you only mentioned it in passing?
Talking about the movie was a comparison to something that Sixth Winged has already brought up. Why would I backpedal? Also, have you ever read through the Spider-Man respect thread? There's no need to try to read deeping in to something that isn't there. If you don't believe me, then that's fine. You don't have to, but it doesn't make you right in the matter.
Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
can someone post scans of theri best fight im missing those fightsand spidey would win
First line makes a claim,
Second line is evidence enough that there can be no doubts that he's telling the truth about never seeing any of their fights.
I apologize but the other spidey supporters have requested we do not use their past fights as evidence. 😆 As appearently Spiderman was not as godlike as he should have been. 😂
Sorry Drizzle but your asking Jinzin to stop using the fights as evidence spoke volumes for the Wolverine side.