Originally posted by jinzin
well it's not entirely more inconsistant than anything else going on in comics now days, It's just easier to gripe about because no one likes logan.. but the more consistant speed of the healing factor is faster than what people are trying to give him credit for, and if we're to assume he's at his best well... logic just dictates that we have to assume the more prominant consistancy is the more accurate one.
I dunno, some characters seem to be a lot more consistant than others... Wolvie's healing is worse than many, but at the same, not even close to some others. (No, see, Superman was still holding back then... and then... and then too... and then let's give him reality warping powers...)
You mean a brick hitting him so fast that he doesn't have time to react or heal back from the previous hit?
You may be surprised to learn that I actually agree.. I remember coming to the conclussion that were wolverine to simply stand there and LET someone punch him without moving to roll with it, he'd probably most likely be KOed by a class 50 hit to the face.
NOW... I'd like to see wonderman try that with a riled up logan... I think we might find the results to be a great deal different.
Not really surprised... You ARE official KMC Champion #2...
Wait... You'd take Wolverine over Wonderman in an all out fight? I'd go as far as to say "how", given Wonderman's speed and past showings against Wolverine?
Batman being capible of superhuman feats while retaining his humanity is nothing new..the guy kicks down reinforced steel doors, outwrestles WW, outfights her amazons, holds up 1,000 pound ceilings, and punches out new gods for christ's sake... and while we all see that it might not make the most sense, wehave come to learn to accept it because he's done this kind of crap SO damn much...
Many of his more ridiculous feats can be attributed to either him outsmarting someone (Metron was, for all intents and purposes, completely human) or to someone holding back because he IS human. (WW) The truly ridiculous stuff often has another explanation behind it. (Motherbox!!!)
the same way logan's skin doesn't eradicate when hit by a class 100.However the fact remains, If you're going to apply real world logic to one thing than it has to apply to all things... that being the case, super powers don't exist, and wolverine doesn't have to worry about being hit by a class 100 anyway.
Meh, there's a fine line. Comic physics should have, at the very least, a LITTLE ground in real world physics, or none of it is even remotely believable, and it's that much less fun. I agree, he shouldn't disintegrate, but where does the line get crossed? Nukes? Stars? Planets exploding? Blasts from cosmic entities? There's always something that Wolverine should never, ever, ever heal from, just as there's always stuff that Batman should never be able to do.
Not so, remember sabretooth? the guy started as a very near human and non superpowered character.... All he had was hightened senses and claws... But he kept sluging it out with superpowered characters, punching steel doors down, and hey whatyaknow? Over the course of a single year he went from being KOed by black cat to 3-punch KOing rogues ass silly... Now it's just generally excepted that he was a superhuman mutant all that time.... It's called character evolution.. if Bat's were to start doing this on a fairly consistant and generally regular basis you'd simply have to start excepting it or come to grips with the fact that you were being irrational about a fictional media.
In this case, it's about who he's meant to fight. You can only have Hulk KO Wolverine with a glancing blow so many times. If someone is thrown into a crowd of enemies that are far above them, they will almost always adapt to meet the challenge in comics, regardless of how high the bar. Look at Mantis and Gamora, and even Karate Kid... And Batman's villains. (coughEMPERORJOKERcough) However, they won't just randomly gain powers for no reason, like Batman just getting up and flying around one day, as it isn't necessary for him to survive in his environment.
Well for starters, it's not "just an accelerated human healing factor" or he 1) couldn't heal organs, and 2) would be covered from head to toe in scarring literally.Granted his healing factor may NOW be presented in a fasion that contradicts some past showings.. but again, he's doing it more and more consistantly by the day...
We now that he's a mutant, we know that mutations can CONTINUE to mutate over time, Why can't we chalk up his upgraded healing factor to a furtherance of his mutation?
More to the point... Why is it so hard for some people to just except that the character has evolved?
remember when wolverine first started? he was a 6 foot tall guy with claws attached to his gloves and no admantium or healing factor to speak of, should we assume that his healing factor and admantium skeleton are PIS in their entirety because they contradict how he was first presented? or should we just accept that the character has evolved? I'll levae that up to you, but I know which one I'll go with.
Logically, it isn't, but that's how it's been described...
So then how can we use ANY past showings in comics, besides the most recent ones? Your arguments beg the question "Is there such a thing as PIS?" I agree with pretty much everything you say, to a point. If someone just randomly gains a power out of the blue, are you saying that's OK?
A HUGE part of the pro Wolverine argument is that Wolvie has more victories over Spiderman than vice versa, but Spiderman especially has become a lot more powerful since then, so I don't see how the past fights can be acceptable pro Wolverine, yet past showings can't be used against Wolverine, because he's evolved, regardless of whether or not there's a good explanation behind it or not.
As for the nuke, I think you're thinking of the pants...
Also, was there any time frame given between the time we see him get his ass bombed to the time we see him after the bombing? I remember the bombing occured around morning or noonish and we see wolverine in the crater around afternoon... His having healed in that amount of time seems to be fairly accurate..
what was more inaccurate was him healing from having all his flesh eradicated directly before the bomb and healing over the course of a conversation.
What I don't agree with is the fact that he survived the initial explosion... All of his flesh should have been liquefied. Even Wolverine can't heal back without any of those cell thingies.
Wolverine would have to start out in an uncomprimising position for something like webbing him to himself to take place...or spiderman would need a bit of luck, either way that's not favorable as a scenario...
as far as cutting the webbing while it's being shot at him....
Taskmaster who was slower, had less stamina, and only one blade cut through the webs as they came at him, Spiderman even acknowledged that he figured that taskmaster would do it, (Another, {though irrelivant} example would be during his recent show he had to fight a swordsman(lady) who did the same thing.), I fail to see how wolverine who has more speed, skill, stamina, and blades couldn't do the same.
Standing up is an uncompromising position? What if Wolverine's feet get webbed together? Unless he's walking around with his legs constantly spread, the chance of them getting stuck together is pretty good. From there, his mobility is gone for a moment, (and he probably fell over, if his legs stopped working mid stride) in which Spiderman gets to dump as much webbing on Wolverine as he damn well pleases. I'll trust that you remember the "Webbing of the Hulk" scans, Spiderman can use a LOT of that stuff in a VERY short amount of time.
And hell no Wolverine isn't faster than Taskmaster. Show him catching bullets from short range and we'll talk.
well 1) he needed 2 walls to do it.
and 2) it obviousy wasn't inescapable as wolverine DID esacpe from it.... 😕that's nothing but wishful (and perhaps bias) thinking on your part... there's nothing to support or suggest the notion that the webs had been weakened since wolverine had been webbed... Infact it's suggested that the webbing was no more forgiving to wolverine than it had been when he was first webbed... We do however know that wolverine did get out when he came to accept that he'd have to hurt himself to do it.
Hmm, I thought it was just the opposite... I'll check, just for you baby.
It was no more a spiderman victory than when wolverine grabbed spidey by the throat and slammed his head against a tree.
both parties were being an inconvenience to their counterparts
neither were prepared to be assaulted by their assailant (though spiderman has his spider sense for the good that did him)
and both appeared to be at a serious disadvantage without any real fight having taken place....
Meh, Wolverine was very obviously ready to fight. Spiderman jumped over him, stuck on the wall, and webbed his ass up. At the LEAST he wasn't caught unawares.
not by spiderman
Explain how Wolverine escapes if Spiderman webs his wrists to a wall. I'm not asking whether he could do it, I'm asking you how you can say Spiderman can't incapacite Wolverine with webbing.
How the hell is he going to kill wolverine again?
Suffocation... In simpler terms, chokin' the b!tch.