Originally posted by Creshosk
I've seen nothing from Wolverine's encounters with spiderman that would suggest otherwise.Spiderman isn't punisher, or Elektra or anyone else who has succeeded where Spiderman has failed.
But Spiderman has failed to knock Wolverine out any time that Spiderman has struck Wolverine.
So I see no reason why he would be able to accomplish now what he has never been able to do in the past.
But yeah, basically my argument is "If they had the same stamina then it'd be a draw since neither cahracter can reasonably put the other down, until the characters start to get tired. then they slow down closing the speed gap."
What's Spiderman going to do? Punch Wolverine? He's tried that, it's never worked.
Web him up? That hasn't worked either.
All the speed and strength means nothing if it doesn't do him any good.
Webbing him up hasn't worked? Actually it has.
Punching hasn't worked? Actually it worked. And if it worked when he fought DD it would work when he fights with Spider-man.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I've seen nothing from Wolverine's encounters with spiderman that would suggest otherwise.Spiderman isn't punisher, or Elektra or anyone else who has succeeded where Spiderman has failed.
But Spiderman has failed to knock Wolverine out any time that Spiderman has struck Wolverine.
So I see no reason why he would be able to accomplish now what he has never been able to do in the past.
But yeah, basically my argument is "If they had the same stamina then it'd be a draw since neither cahracter can reasonably put the other down, until the characters start to get tired. then they slow down closing the speed gap."
What's Spiderman going to do? Punch Wolverine? He's tried that, it's never worked.
Web him up? That hasn't worked either.
All the speed and strength means nothing if it doesn't do him any good.
Then again, Spider-Man has never fought with all things used against him. Why does he always punch him in the face when the skull is obviously the hardest part in his body? Why not punch his fist through his stomach? Put his fingers through his throat and rip out his Pharynx? Put his hands through openings of his skeleton (and there are lot of them) and rip his organs out? He easily has the strength and speed to accomplish any of these things. But he doesn't do that in comics because he is a good guy. However, I believe that all means are OK in this fight.
And as for webbing...how about using more then 0,023% of the webbing he has available this time?
It's funny how other heroes who fight Wolverine always only use fraction of their true power *coughnamorcough*.
Originally posted by Creshosk
But Spiderman has failed to knock Wolverine out any time that Spiderman has struck Wolverine.So I see no reason why he would be able to accomplish now what he has never been able to do in the past.
But yeah, basically my argument is "If they had the same stamina then it'd be a draw since neither cahracter can reasonably put the other down, until the characters start to get tired. then they slow down closing the speed gap."
What's Spiderman going to do? Punch Wolverine? He's tried that, it's never worked.
Web him up? That hasn't worked either.
All the speed and strength means nothing if it doesn't do him any good.
Spider-Man and Wolverine both have never definitely beat the other in a fight. Thats the whole point. Thats why there is such a long discussion about it.
So what Spider-Man hasn't KO'ed Wolverine, that doesn't mean that he can't. Punisher has knocked out Wolverine with a baseball bat before. Are you seriously gonna say that Spider-Man's punches cant do the same. You can't really say that since Spider-Man hasn't KO'ed Wolverine before means that he can't. Then you might as well admit that Wolverine can't beat DD since he hasn't, or that Wolverine can't beat Beast since he hasn't. Just because they've fought and it hasn't happened in the books doesn't mean its impossible.
BTW, wasn't it in Marvel Knights that Spider-Man punched Wolverine out of a supposedly unbreakable window in Stark Tower. Wasn't Wolvie out for a lil bit before he came back up. Thats an instance where punching worked
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Then again, Spider-Man has never fought with all things used against him. Why does he always punch him in the face when the skull is obviously the hardest part in his body? Why not punch his fist through his stomach? Put his fingers through his throat and rip out his Pharynx? Put his hands through openings of his skeleton (and there are lot of them) and rip his organs out? He easily has the strength and speed to accomplish any of these things. But he doesn't do that in comics because he is a good guy. However, I believe that all means are OK in this fight.And as for webbing...how about using more then 0,023% of the webbing he has available this time?
It's funny how other heroes who fight Wolverine always only use fraction of their true power *coughnamorcough*.
True. Spiderman has more advantages than Wolverine in the end, so he should definitely win.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Then again, Spider-Man has never fought with all things used against him. Why does he always punch him in the face when the skull is obviously the hardest part in his body? Why not punch his fist through his stomach? Put his fingers through his throat and rip out his Pharynx? Put his hands through openings of his skeleton (and there are lot of them) and rip his organs out? He easily has the strength and speed to accomplish any of these things. But he doesn't do that in comics because he is a good guy. However, I believe that all means are OK in this fight.And as for webbing...how about using more then 0,023% of the webbing he has available this time?
It's funny how other heroes who fight Wolverine always only use fraction of their true power *coughnamorcough*.
Agreed.
There is no reason why spidey can't web up Logan's arms together. He is fast enough to do it and has good enough reflexes to dodge any counter strikes Logan might have (also helped with the spider-sense).
Even assuming Logan can cut the webbing (Which he should not be able to do as he hasn't enough strength) assuming he has the ability to cut it, he wouldn't have the leverage to do so if his arms are webbed together.
Then all is needed is web to the face to cause air loss and Logan to pass out..................
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerPeople always undermine Spidey's speed. What's really amazing about that pic is that Spidey's STILL NOT moving @ full speed. The drugs were slowing him down. Spidey was moving that damn fast & still moving slow by his standards. Damn!!!!!!!!
Spider-Man is easily fast enough to stay out of Wolverine's reach. He can continiously fire the webs at Wolverine, who will be cutting them (His hand speed is very impressive, great scans) but you see, the webs are pretty sticky, and the strands will fly towards Wolverine and get stuck in every place. Now, Spidey is firing his webs all the time, in one direction, sooner or later the entire body of Wolverine is covered in webbing. It's kind of like hardened water, splashing everywhere. Not to mention that Spider-Man can just make web balls that explode on impact and send the webbing everywhere.Example how fast he can create webbing again...
http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanwebshield8pw.jpg
Originally posted by samisheNope.
Webbing him up hasn't worked?
Originally posted by samisheYer delusional.
Actually it has.
Originally posted by samisheNope.
Punching hasn't worked?
Originally posted by samisheThis is Spiderman and Wolverinwe we're talking about not Wolverine and DD or DD and Spiderman...
Actually it worked. And if it worked when he fought DD it would work when he fights with Spider-man.
Originally posted by marvelprinceYup.
Spider-Man and Wolverine both have never definitely beat the other in a fight. Thats the whole point. Thats why there is such a long discussion about it.
Originally posted by marvelprinceSo he's magically going to acehive that which he has failed to do numerous times? Yer delusional.
So what Spider-Man hasn't KO'ed Wolverine, that doesn't mean that he can't.
Originally posted by marvelprinceSpiderman hasn't.
Punisher has knocked out Wolverine with a baseball bat before.
Originally posted by marvelprinceYup, cause they haven't.
Are you seriously gonna say that Spider-Man's punches cant do the same.
Originally posted by marvelprinceIf you throw a rock at the sun fifty times and fail to hit it fifty times, odds are you aren't going to succeed on your 51st time.
You can't really say that since Spider-Man hasn't KO'ed Wolverine before means that he can't.
Originally posted by marvelprinceDebateable as to whether he has or not.
Then you might as well admit that Wolverine can't beat DD since he hasn't,
Originally posted by marvelprinceNow you're grasping at straws.
or that Wolverine can't beat Beast since he hasn't.
There is a difference between not being able to do something because you have never tried and failing to do something despite trying. Nice strawman though.
Originally posted by marvelprinceSo it's possible for Wolverine to beat Venom?
Just because they've fought and it hasn't happened in the books doesn't mean its impossible.
Originally posted by marvelprinceYup
BTW, wasn't it in Marvel Knights that Spider-Man punched Wolverine out of a supposedly unbreakable window in Stark Tower.
Originally posted by marvelprinceNo it didn't. LMAO.
Wasn't Wolvie out for a lil bit before he came back up.[/quoet] Nope.
[QUOTE=6338888]Originally posted by marvelprince
Thats an instance where punching worked
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerBecause that's all Spiderman thinks to do at the time. Not like he's suddenly going to develop martial arts skills for the sake of the match, otherwise you could just say either of these two mutants could mutate extra powers ...
Then again, Spider-Man has never fought with all things used against him. Why does he always punch him in the face when the skull is obviously the hardest part in his body?
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerSo should we just have them mutate to develop skills and abilities they don't have?
Why not punch his fist through his stomach? Put his fingers through his throat and rip out his Pharynx? Put his hands through openings of his skeleton (and there are lot of them) and rip his organs out? He easily has the strength and speed to accomplish any of these things. But he doesn't do that in comics because he is a good guy. However, I believe that all means are OK in this fight.
Course we could have Spiderman try to eat Wolverine's face. If you want...
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerSame reason before, he doesn't think about it. 🙂
And as for webbing...how about using more then 0,023% of the webbing he has available this time?
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerSo Jinzin was right, the only reason you're in here since you're not that hardcore a fan is cause you're bitter about the way the fight between the metal boned midget and the Atlantean prince went down.
It's funny how other heroes who fight Wolverine always only use fraction of their true power *coughnamorcough*.
So he's magically going to acehive that which he has failed to do numerous times? Yer delusional.
Who says Spider-Man was going for the KO in those matches? Most times he really wasn't even seriously fighting
If you throw a rock at the sun fifty times and fail to hit it fifty times, odds are you aren't going to succeed on your 51st time.
First of your numbering is a bit off, they've only really "fought" a handful of times. Secondly, there is a difference between trying to hit the Sun and just throwing rocks. Spider-Man wasn't bloodlusted and wasn't particularly trying to knock out Wolverine, just going for a restraint most times(throwing rocks). Fortunately thanks to forum rules Spider-Man has a clear objective which is to take out Logan at any cost(this is an example where he'll aim for the Sun)
There is a difference between not being able to do something because you have never tried and failing to do something despite trying. Nice strawman though.
No strawman. Fact. Beast has beaten Wolverine, Wolverine tried to fight him but was overpowered and mentioned how Beast was too fast for him. Now if Beast is too fast and strong for Logan then imagine Spider-Man. Nice use of literary devices though
Because that's all Spiderman thinks to do at the time. Not like he's suddenly going to develop martial arts skills for the sake of the match, otherwise you could just say either of these two mutants could mutate extra powers ...
Mutating extra powers is completely different from approaching a threat in a new matter. And doing that is precisely what Spider-Man does. Sure he may usually just punch, but against an opponent like Wolverine Spider-Man is gonna think outside of the box. Its how he stays alive against most of his villians, by thinking on his feet. He's not exactly a moron you know.
Same reason before, he doesn't think about it. 🙂
In terms of the web, he does. Its just that that example is one that you choose to ignore
Originally posted by marvelprinceOh, I see, you haven't even read their encounters then.
Who says Spider-Man was going for the KO in those matches? Most times he really wasn't even seriously fighting
Originally posted by marvelprinceNot that you'd know as you've never read them.
First of your numbering is a bit off, they've only really "fought" a handful of times.
Originally posted by marvelprinceYup, and trying to hit the sun is accurate. lol
Secondly, there is a difference between trying to hit the Sun and just throwing rocks.
Originally posted by marvelprinceYes yes, I already know you haven't read the fights, no need to prove it.
Spider-Man wasn't bloodlusted and wasn't particularly trying to knock out Wolverine, just going for a restraint most times(throwing rocks).
Originally posted by marvelprinceAnd much like he was aiming for the sun before, he won't hit it this time either.
Fortunately thanks to forum rules Spider-Man has a clear objective which is to take out Logan at any cost(this is an example where he'll aim for the Sun)
Originally posted by marvelprinceWow I guess Beast is fastrer and stronger than Sabertooth, Caliban, Rough house Shatter star... or, it could be more of a plot stupidity thing.
No strawman. Fact. Beast has beaten Wolverine, Wolverine tried to fight him but was overpowered and mentioned how Beast was too fast for him. Now if Beast is too fast and strong for Logan then imagine Spider-Man. Nice use of literary devices though
Butr no no, those don't exist. 😆
Originally posted by marvelprinceDevolping new skills is the same as developing new abilities, which is the same as developing new powers.
Mutating extra powers is completely different from approaching a threat in a new matter.
Originally posted by marvelprinceFunny how he does seem to have a limited category of moves...
And doing that is precisely what Spider-Man does.
Originally posted by marvelprinceOnce again you prove you haven't read them...
Sure he may usually just punch, but against an opponent like Wolverine Spider-Man is gonna think outside of the box.
Originally posted by marvelprinceAnd he's not exactly a martial arts expert you know.
Its how he stays alive against most of his villians, by thinking on his feet. He's not exactly a moron you know.
Originally posted by marvelprinceI have'nt chosen to ignore anything, Likewise I can't accuse you of ignoreing anything you have not seen.
In terms of the web, he does. Its just that that example is one that you choose to ignore
Originally posted by Creshosk
Wow I guess Beast is fastrer and stronger than Sabertooth, Caliban, Rough house Shatter star... or, it could be more of a plot stupidity thing.Butr no no, those don't exist. 😆
Beast beat Wolverine, that actually has nothing to do with Caliban, Sabertooth, Rough House or whoever. boxed2
That was a public service message.
Originally posted by SoleranYou mean other than those characters weren't too fast or too strong for Wolverine...
Beast beat Wolverine, that actually has nothing to do with Caliban, Sabertooth, Rough House or whoever. boxed2That was a public service message.
Adds Wedingo
Yet beast a one time thing was, despite there being numerous encounters with others who weren't.
Originally posted by Creshosk
You mean other than those characters weren't too fast or too strong for Wolverine...Adds Wedingo
Yet beast a one time thing was, despite there being numerous encounters with others who weren't.
I guess so, Beast took it to him.stretcher
Wendgo is the whipping boy for hero's anyway..............first Hulk then Wolverine then Sabertooth..........
