Originally posted by marvelprince
There are always inaccuracies in comics in relation to characters and their powers. Spider-Man is no different. Some days he's easily dodging bullets and others he's getting tagged by street levelers. Just like some days Wolverine can take infinite amounts of bullets and others he's dropped by one bullet. It really shouldn't matter thought since everyone is aware of what these guys can do regardless of how they are dumbed down sometimes. Problem is some people ignore whatever hurts their argument despite facts. Sad really
whenever wolverine gets "dropped by one bullet" (example please) or has otherwise low showings concerning his healing factor and damage soak... it's A) because his powers aren't working literally by way of story line. B) because his healing factor has already been taxed out by something else (russian soldier example) C.) STILL in the minority vs. his showings with healing factor in good condition...
spiderman getting hit by good street levels is pretty much the standard whenever spiderman gets into it with said street levelers... which is why I still firmly think only spiderman fanboys think spiderman can't be hit by street levelers...
as for bullet dodging.. please.. every decent streeter and their mom can't dodge bullets that's hardly a feat....
>>>"Problem is some people ignore whatever hurts their argument despite facts. Sad really"<<<
for instance: spidey had the chance to KO logan.. he failed...
spidey had the chance to incapacitate logan... he failed...
spidey tried to keep from getting stabbed by logan.. he failed...
spidey tried to keep from being KOed by logan... he failed...
Originally posted by Soleran
here is a new stat I recently came up with I can throw around until the cow comes home since you like spiderman fan numbers🙂 Spiderman wins 100% of the time against Wolverine, lol now memorize that and use it often 😉
except for the fact that he doesn't... 😕
no use in putting up withful thinking and calling it a stat.....
Originally posted by jinzin
whenever wolverine gets "dropped by one bullet" (example please) or has otherwise low showings concerning his healing factor and damage soak... it's A) because his powers aren't working literally by way of story line. B) because his healing factor has already been taxed out by something else (russian soldier example) C.) STILL in the minority vs. his showings with healing factor in good condition...spiderman getting hit by good street levels is pretty much the standard whenever spiderman gets into it with said street levelers... which is why I still firmly think only spiderman fanboys think spiderman can't be hit by street levelers...
as for bullet dodging.. please.. every decent streeter and their mom can't dodge bullets that's hardly a feat....
>>>"Problem is some people ignore whatever hurts their argument despite facts. Sad really"<<<
for instance: spidey had the chance to KO logan.. he failed...
spidey had the chance to incapacitate logan... he failed...
spidey tried to keep from getting stabbed by logan.. he failed...
spidey tried to keep from being KOed by logan... he failed...
Wish I had the issue in front of me but I don't, I'll try to find on the web. Wolverine was shot in the head and knocked out. There wasn't anything interfering with any of his powers, he simply got shot and passed out. How many times has Wolverine been punked by persons with no powers at all? Spider-Man may get hit by street levelers but at least they try to give reasons. a) He's mind controlled or b) He's wrong about a particular issue so that hero has to teach him a lesson
Most time Spider-Man mixes it up with street levelers since said street leveler is a hero chances are they're gonna have to make it look good. Whether or not you accept it at face value is totally up to you.
Bullet dodging wasn't there to say "whoa, Spider-Man is really fast", it was to compare how alot Spider-Man easily dodges bullets and yet next issue someone grandpa can punch him. Obviously your in the school who chooses to believe that since a senior citizen hit him before he can always do it despite what we know Spider-Man is capable of
Originally posted by marvelprince
Wish I had the issue in front of me but I don't, I'll try to find on the web. Wolverine was shot in the head and knocked out. There wasn't anything interfering with any of his powers, he simply got shot and passed out.
then this would fall into the C category regardless...
Originally posted by marvelprince
How many times has Wolverine been punked by persons with no powers at all?
are you seriously asking.. cause it ain't many...
Originally posted by marvelprince
Spider-Man may get hit by street levelers but at least they try to give reasons. a) He's mind controlled or b) He's wrong about a particular issue so that hero has to teach him a lesson
Originally posted by marvelprince
Bullet dodging wasn't there to say "whoa, Spider-Man is really fast", it was to compare how alot Spider-Man easily dodges bullets and yet next issue someone grandpa can punch him.
Originally posted by marvelprince
Obviously your in the school who chooses to believe that since a senior citizen hit him before he can always do it despite what we know Spider-Man is capable of
sounds pretty smug for someone who just said:
Originally posted by marvelprince
Problem is some people ignore whatever hurts their argument despite facts
Originally posted by jinzin
then this would fall into the C category regardless...
Minor showings? Wolverine is one of the most inconsistently written characters. There are instances where he seems like a god and others when he seems like a normal guys with claws. Your apparently gonna go with god-Wolverine
Originally posted by jinzin
are you seriously asking.. cause it ain't many...
Originally posted by jinzin
"a lesson" that's why spiderman's getting hit? 😕 maybe he just can't dodge everything...
Yes, a lesson. Daredevil vs Spider-Man. Spider-Man is acting irrational and Daredevil is the one who is "right" hence he wins. I was hoping you would understand here cause the same thing tends to happen to Wolverine on occasion.
Can't believe you would admit that Spider-Man can easily dodge bullets but can't admit that logically speaking a punch from a human shouldn't hit Spider-Man. Looks like here your gonna go with Spider-Man at his worst
Originally posted by jinzin
sounds pretty smug for someone who just said:
Cause I don't ignore what Wolverine has done. I don't deny that he's an amazing character capable of alot, in fact im looking at him at his best which is the same I'm doing with Spider-Man. Taking all of that into consideration Spider-Man is still much stronger, much faster and possesses a spider-sense along with incredibly strong webbing. Wolverine does have one of the best healing factors around, adamantium skeleton and claws btu Spider-Man can still overcome this.
Originally posted by marvelprince
Minor showings? Wolverine is one of the most inconsistently written characters. There are instances where he seems like a god and others when he seems like a normal guys with claws. Your apparently gonna go with god-Wolverine
no.. I go with wolverine HOW he's consistantly represented.. the fact of the matter is that wolverine is no more inconsistant than 50% of the comic book heroes and villains out there.. but since more people don't like wolverine, it makes it more socially acceptable to find faults in percieved inconsistancies than it is with other people...
I wouldn't say i view wolverine as a god and that's a bit impetuous to assume that I would.. but I DO however go with how he's more often than not represented.... find me some more examples of him getting downed by 1 bullet and I'll find you 5 were he doesn't... 10 even.. 15...
Originally posted by marvelprince
I can name Daredevil, Punisher and Cap off the top of my head
Originally posted by marvelprince
Yes, a lesson. Daredevil vs Spider-Man. Spider-Man is acting irrational and Daredevil is the one who is "right" hence he wins. I was hoping you would understand here cause the same thing tends to happen to Wolverine on occasion.
Originally posted by marvelprince
Can't believe you would admit that Spider-Man can easily dodge bullets but can't admit that logically speaking a punch from a human shouldn't hit Spider-Man.
Originally posted by marvelprincebecause he doesn't consistantly dodge gifted streeters.. and I choose to go with what's consistantly shown that's choosing spiderman at his worst? 🤨
Looks like here your gonna go with Spider-Man at his worst
Originally posted by marvelprince
Cause I don't ignore what Wolverine has done.
as if I do?
going by your rationale wolverine can see bullets coming at him in slow motion yet street levels guys hit him and you use those as examples in spite of that being a contradictory logic...
but hey that arguments okay for spiderman because he's spiderman....
Originally posted by marvelprinceat the same time I think wolverine can overcome spiderman.
I don't deny that he's an amazing character capable of alot, in fact im looking at him at his best which is the same I'm doing with Spider-Man. Taking all of that into consideration Spider-Man is still much stronger, much faster and possesses a spider-sense along with incredibly strong webbing. Wolverine does have one of the best healing factors around, adamantium skeleton and claws btu Spider-Man can still overcome this.
Originally posted by jinzin
no.. I go with wolverine HOW he's consistantly represented.. the fact of the matter is that wolverine is no more inconsistant than 50% of the comic book heroes and villains out there.. but since more people don't like wolverine, it makes it more socially acceptable to find faults in percieved inconsistancies than it is with other people...I wouldn't say i view wolverine as a god and that's a bit impetuous to assume that I would.. but I DO however go with how he's more often than not represented.... find me some more examples of him getting downed by 1 bullet and I'll find you 5 were he doesn't... 10 even.. 15...
That may be how you feel, but I feel Wolverine is inconsistently written. He may have a number of feats where he seems unstoppable but there are just as many where he is stopped way too easily. Guess we'll agree to disagree here.
Originally posted by jinzin
well aside from the irony that these "normal" guys have already beaten spiderman too... and that captain america has yet to even beat wolverine.
Thought I had clarified how this happened already. The whole Spider-Man irrational thing.
Originally posted by jinzin
I'd say caps endless endurance and dd's radar sense count as super powers...
I meant powers in terms of strength and speed. My bad, should have specified
Originally posted by jinzin
so then I guess the question is, do you think that these things which have happened should count for the use of this debate?
Nope
Originally posted by jinzin
Are you kidding? EVERY street level guy worth their salt EASILY dodges bullets.. it's like part of the trade or something.. that my no means means that they can dodge punches from another street level... bullets are one demensional in their intention/direction/speed etc etc.. with people there's so many other things to factor... dodging bullets is a nothing feat.. I can't believe that you don't see how that's relivant...
You don't get it. The point isn't to say, "omg Spider-Man is sooo fast cause he can dodge a bullet". It was to show how Spider-Man is capable of dodging bullets one minute(something you admit is a nothing feat) but other times can get hit by someone w/o powers, even someone who isn't a gifted fighter. This wasn't a speed measure, it was a demonstration of inconsitency in terms of Spider-Man's abilites
Originally posted by jinzin
because he doesn't consistantly dodge gifted streeters.. and I choose to go with what's consistantly shown that's choosing spiderman at his worst? 🤨
Yup then your ignoring Spider-Man's consistent dodging of characters who are much faster than Wolverine in favor of the times where Spider-Man has been hit by "gifted" street levelers.
Originally posted by jinzin
as if I do?
going by your rationale wolverine can see bullets coming at him in slow motion yet street levels guys hit him and you use those as examples in spite of that being a contradictory logic...
When have I said Wolverine couldn't dodge a street leveler? The persons I named beating him where to demonstrate Wolverine's inconsistency, not his difficiencies. But aren't you doing what your accusing me of? Just switch it up a little bit. Spider-Man can see bullets coming at him in slow motion yet street level guys hit him. Thats your logic, not mine
Originally posted by jinzin
at the same time I think wolverine can overcome spiderman.
He can. Can he do it more times out of 10? I don't think so. Guess we agree to disagree here
Originally posted by jinzinJust taking up for the writers again. Sorry. I'm gonna stop doing that. Bad writing is bad writing & that cement truck >> Hulk was just silly.
is it?cause you've been using it as a retaliation every time it's brought up that wolverine landed hits on the rooftop....
doesn't seem like your rathionale fits the premise for why you keep bringing it up....
Originally posted by jinzinApparently so. There are too many pages in this thread and it moves too fast sometimes. Forget to log on for about 2 days and you missed about 30 pages😆 Please elaborate.
I already did... did you miss it from before?
& yes. Shakira is sexy as hell. I'd go downsta............Sorry about that🙂
Originally posted by brainchild81
Just taking up for the writers again. Sorry. I'm gonna stop doing that. Bad writing is bad writing & that cement truck >> Hulk was just silly.Apparently so. There are too many pages in this thread and it moves too fast sometimes. Forget to log on for about 2 days and you missed about 30 pages😆 Please elaborate.
& yes. Shakira is sexy as hell. I'd go downsta............Sorry about that🙂
I don't know how it came that you are talking about Shakira now, but I agree.
i think spidey can win but its still a good fight, worlvy can stand there and take hits from spidey though he stood there when doom punched him he flinched and clawed him back so its ovious if he was punched by spidey he can try to claw him back, the winner will be spidey it will be great fight
can some give me a fight of them plz plz plz