Originally posted by marvelprince
That may be how you feel, but I feel Wolverine is inconsistently written. He may have a number of feats where he seems unstoppable but there are just as many where he is stopped way too easily. Guess we'll agree to disagree here.
guess so. cause I seriously think his low end feats are in the minority..
Originally posted by marvelprince
I meant powers in terms of strength and speed. My bad, should have specified
Originally posted by marvelprince
Nope
yet you say you're not ignoring what wolverine has done? 😕
If you're simply going to disgard relivant feats isn't that the same as ignoring them? explain your rationale on that one..
Originally posted by marvelprince
You don't get it. The point isn't to say, "omg Spider-Man is sooo fast cause he can dodge a bullet". It was to show how Spider-Man is capable of dodging bullets one minute(something you admit is a nothing feat) but other times can get hit by someone w/o powers, even someone who isn't a gifted fighter. This wasn't a speed measure, it was a demonstration of inconsitency in terms of Spider-Man's abilites
I get it just fine, I'm just saying using bullet dodging to make a point about speed (whether it's about consistancy or not) is practically worthless... EVERYBODY does it!
Originally posted by marvelprince
Yup then your ignoring Spider-Man's consistent dodging of characters who are much faster than Wolverine in favor of the times where Spider-Man has been hit by "gifted" street levelers.
Originally posted by marvelprince
When have I said Wolverine couldn't dodge a street leveler? The persons I named beating him where to demonstrate Wolverine's inconsistency, not his difficiencies. But aren't you doing what your accusing me of? Just switch it up a little bit. Spider-Man can see bullets coming at him in slow motion yet street level guys hit him. Thats your logic, not mine
no ...
okay here's the thing.. you want to go on about spiderman dodging things much faster but because I give examples of him getting hit by peak humans etc etc you think that I'm ignoring spiderman feats.. what I posted here was to show you that you're doing the same damned thing... SAME damned thing.. yeah I'm doing what I'm acusing you of, it's to show you how contradictory your kind of logic is...
okay spiderman can dodge bullets and things way faster than peak humans.. so you don't see how I think he can be hit by humans.. that's what you said...
yet wolverine dodges bullets and lazers which are way faster than spiderman.. so how can spiderman in turn hit wolverine? see where that rationale faulters?
Originally posted by marvelprinceguess so.
He can. Can he do it more times out of 10? I don't think so. Guess we agree to disagree here
Originally posted by brainchild81
Just taking up for the writers again. Sorry. I'm gonna stop doing that. Bad writing is bad writing & that cement truck >> Hulk was just silly.
see man, that was so damned confusing everytime you brought that up I thought that was your rationalized excuse for wolverine hitting him.. nevemind then...
Originally posted by brainchild81
Apparently so. There are too many pages in this thread and it moves too fast sometimes. Forget to log on for about 2 days and you missed about 30 pages😆 Please elaborate.
However, I still feel that wolverine wasn't trying to kill spiderman in the graveyard.. he had his chance and logically he would have been more prone to do it after being wailed on. Instead wolverine wanted to scare spiderman away... (he didn't know how persistant spiderman could be.)
so he didn't hit him...
yeah 😕 I DID take that into account... like I said before.. that rationalization was simply assuming he was aiming to kill spiderman.. I'm still under the impression he was just trying to get spiderman to "beat it".
that's the jist of what he was doing when spiderman showed up,
it's what he was getting at during the fight,
and then FURTHERMORE where he was getting at when the fight was over...
I think the swipes at the face were more of a "go home" kinda thing...
I mean the guys done it to xavier for gods sakes.. he knows what he's doing more often than not.
Another explaination was that spiderman was completely focused on his spider sense, being completely focused on the defensive could mean that any less focus would hae meant he got sish kababbed...
(at this point I just figured I'd throw ya that bone)
honestly.. I don't know.. i mean you've seen how I rationalize things.. I go by consistant feats.. and so far he hasn't done much that he didn't used to do before so I guess I'd have to see a lot more of current spiderman in action before I could draw that conclusion. Some direct comparison's would be nice too... just for good measure...
in that same notion have you seen wolverine fight with his new power sword?
meh it was kind of a joke I guess.. more of a heman reference..
but he does seem to be WAY more lethal with that thing.. he took down a shiva robot (one panel for each limb he cut off of it)..even the shiva models that hadn't adapted to wolverine were tough for him to beat.. he kicked the crap out of this thing in seconds like it was nothing..
someone else pointed this out about the spiderman thing though.. spiderman being shown multiple times in the same panel is nothing new.. and he did that to a human stark.. stark's not exactly peak human material if you ask me... I thought the reference was more a guesture to spidermans spider sense being even more sensitive.. but then again youhave examples like him going similar feats withmary jane in his older days and that new feat loses some of it's flair...
Originally posted by brainchild81
That's another downside to upgrading Spidey, it looks even more dumb now when they slow him down. I really don't know why they'd give Wolvie a sword.
Do you think that that same sword is the sword that Shin gen Guy attack wolverine with where he had to Heal for a month being stab in the trunk
Originally posted by jinzin
yeah me neither.. is it just me or do these upgrades seem like they're just titles with nothing to back them up?
yeah have you noticed how every top hero is getting some kind of stats boost except for Wolverine Like Cap for an example him and wolverine was at the same strength level maybe Wolvie was a little stronger but now Cap can lift 1100 pounds with ease and 5+ tons under optimal conditions
I've never been a huge fan of upgrades. It's starting to seem like Marvel thinks more powerful = more cool. I don't like it. I always thought that was a DC thing. Spidey better ditch that suit after this "Civil War" thing is over. It's funny how now the iron costume can emulate Spidey's cool looking costumes(black and original). They probably got many complaints about how crappy iron Spidey looks. Wolvie with a sword is kind of redundant IMO. I didn't know Cap could lift that much. He shouldn't be able to.
Originally posted by Nova AngelNot sure. I'd need to see pix of them.
Do you think that that same sword is the sword that Shin gen Guy attack wolverine with where he had to Heal for a month being stab in the trunk
Originally posted by Nova Angel
Do you think that that same sword is the sword that Shin gen Guy attack wolverine with where he had to Heal for a month being stab in the trunk
No, this sword was forged specifically for him.
This is like the fifth or sixth magic katana Wolverine has had... I have to imagine they could have come up with something more original.