Originally posted by willRulesWell Wolverine never has a problem catching Spider-Man. So I dont think Spider-Man is really faster than he is. More agile? Probably. Faster? Very debatable. And considering Sabretooth has always been faster than Wolverine, I doubt Spider-Man is faster than him either.
sabretooth isn't as fast as spidey, doesn't have superhuman agility, reflexes etc or a spider-sense or intelligence of the same level as Peter.spidey wins 8/10 if I'm being generous to Logan 🙂
They both have enhanced agility.
Wolverine's reflexes are rediculously enhanced.
Wolverine's fighting intelligence makes Peter look like a retard. Equivalent of beating 4 chess supercomputers in his head while doing strenuous physical activity.
Spider-Man has to hit Wolverine a lot to put him down. And even if he does by the time Peter turns around Wolverine will be back up. Spider-Man vs. Wolverine # 1: Spider-Man pummels the crap out of Wolverine as hard as he can. Wolverine smiles at him.
Wolverine only has to hit Spider-Man 1 time. And dont say he can't do it because he has, several times.
Originally posted by capt it up
why is it PIS when wolevrine htis spiderman? hulk htis spiderman, thing ect. spiderman gets hit quite freguently.wolverine is quite fast enough to hit spiderman and u want sceneriors.
arena fight wolverine.also why do I need to put sceneros?
this is an arena fight scenerio matter little. wolverine in a jungle wins, small room wion,large room wins, are these the type of sceneriors ur looking for? or would u rtaher just read there fights in which in those scenerios wolevrine seem to have the upper hand.
Because guy who can dodge multiple machine fire can't be hit by someone like Wolverine. Again Spider-man gets hit frequently only because noone would read comix where main hero beats everyone without getting hit himself. But on this forum we don't assume how this fight would happen in comix.
Wolverine is may look fast for average people but not for Spider-man.
Look at Wolverine, slow him down 40 times and you'll realise how Spider-man sees him. How could someone punch you if you see the attack coming before it even starts? How can someone punch you if before the attack you know exactly in which direction this punch would be?
I want you to give scenario because without it non of your words make scence. You just say Wolverine wins in jungle. I can say Aunt May beats Galactus, but without explanation it's just useless words. And the reason why you didn't gave us scenario yet is because you can't come up with something else but "Wolverine stabs him" what BTW ain't gonna happen.
Originally posted by samishe
Because guy who can dodge multiple machine fire can't be hit by someone like Wolverine. Again Spider-man gets hit frequently only because noone would read comix where main hero beats everyone without getting hit himself. But on this forum we don't assume how this fight would happen in comix.
Wolverine is may look fast for average people but not for Spider-man.
Look at Wolverine, slow him down 40 times and you'll realise how Spider-man sees him. How could someone punch you if you see the attack coming before it even starts? How can someone punch you if before the attack you know exactly in which direction this punch would be?I want you to give scenario because without it non of your words make scence. You just say Wolverine wins in jungle. I can say Aunt May beats Galactus, but without explanation it's just useless words. And the reason why you didn't gave us scenario yet is because you can't come up with something else but "Wolverine stabs him" what BTW ain't gonna happen.
(Wolverine #9 coyote crossing part 3) this picture below shows some good dodging and agility. The next few pages which I do not have scans on my computer are in my option more impressive. Wolverine in the few pages after the one posted below dodge a lot more gun firer from a lot more men and while charging them with out taking a single hit.
http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wpyrate09181rt.jpg
(marvel team-up Spiderman and wolverine #117) wolverine using his agility and reflex and fighting skill takes out army of guys while dodging lasers, which is even mentioned in the text.
(Wolverine #120) wolverine is pinned between to cars he can move his legs and he still a guy shoot a hand gun at him from like 2 feet away and he still manages to move his head enough to dodge the bullet almost completely even though he is stuck. This is a low end feat, but I thought it was worth a mention.
Wolverine dodging the living lightning using his senses and speed to do it.
http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinespeedfeat4hi.jpg
(Wolverine #142) wolverine through out this comic shows some pretty impressive dodging feats. He dodges laser and machine gun firer quite easily.
Speed feat. Wolverine is pretty dam fast. He is faster then human eye can see at times.
http://img145.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc54&image=22730_fast.jpg
(wolverine #97) wolverine while fight a bunch of guys in metal suits manages to while charging one to not be hit by a single bullet and when the guy is firing at him with two very high powered machine guns.
(House of M #3) wolverine while fighting his squadron manages not to be hit by a single bullet and even at one point shows the bullets in slow motion next to him. Also at one point night crawler teleport a foot or so away from him shooting as shown as he appear and wolverine still just ducks under the firer and crab night crawler tail easily with out getting hit.
(Wolverine #133) wolverine easily dodges energy blast sent his way by power house.
(x-men classic #55) wolverine dodges a laser blast front a sentinel even after prof.x was in his h3ad and made him lose his stride.
(Wolverine weaponx the origin of wolverine) soldier shoot bullets at wolverine and are shown to look like there in slow motion to wolverine.
(x-men x-cutioner’s song chapter 6) cable firer a gun at wolverine from point blank wolverine dodges it then cut cables gun.
(Wolverine #24) wolverine dodges a bullet from a trained assassin from close range and even comment on how easy it is.
(Wolverine in Black Shadow! White Shadow! Chapter one the killing ground) has wolverine cutting a guys gun to piece with out him even seeing it. Also in the same issue wolverine dodges a bunch of machinegun firer.
(Wolverine #40) wolverine well carrying a girl dodges beams of deadly light.
(Wolverine vs Spiderman nuff said? #48) wolverine has a little fist fight with Spiderman and seems to have had the upper hand in the battle.
(wolverine #137) wolverine dodges a bunch of lasers.
(x-men #103) wolverine shows some his agility well getting out of a trap rogue get him in.
Wolverines fast look at how he saves night crawler
http://img113.imageshack.us/my.php?image=speed4fn.jpg
(Wolverine soultalker 3) wolverine in a small room easily dodges the beam this witch girl shoots at him.
Wolverine is quite fast and accurate
http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinev1068170in.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinev1068183cz.jpg
(Wolverine #53) a rocket is flying through the air as it goes by wolverine he stabs it with his claws and leaps on it. In order to do this feat u would need amazingly fast reflexes and agility.
Originally posted by capt it up
wolverine has dodged machine gun fire with ease. wolverine has dodged lazers with ease. im not seeing ur piont here. saying spiderman dodge machien gun fire mean nuthign when wolevrien deos the same dam thing.
comics have never shown spiderman to win so to say they only show wolverine hti spiderman to amke the fight look good is bull shit.
wolverine asuperhuman with superhuman agility and reflex and I have feats to prove it so are u honestly trying to say spiderman is 40 times faster then a guy with superhuman agility and reflex?
also wow spiderman has spider sense yet spidemrna gets hit all the time.
also wolverine has hyper sense which he can use to tell oppnets attacks before they make them.
Reflex and agility dodging feats.( so much for spiderman dodging machine gun fire making it impossable for wolverine to hit him theory)(Wolverine #9 coyote crossing part 3) this picture below shows some good dodging and agility. The next few pages which I do not have scans on my computer are in my option more impressive. Wolverine in the few pages after the one posted below dodge a lot more gun firer from a lot more men and while charging them with out taking a single hit.
http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wpyrate09181rt.jpg(marvel team-up Spiderman and wolverine #117) wolverine using his agility and reflex and fighting skill takes out army of guys while dodging lasers, which is even mentioned in the text.
(Wolverine #120) wolverine is pinned between to cars he can move his legs and he still a guy shoot a hand gun at him from like 2 feet away and he still manages to move his head enough to dodge the bullet almost completely even though he is stuck. This is a low end feat, but I thought it was worth a mention.
Wolverine dodging the living lightning using his senses and speed to do it.
http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinespeedfeat4hi.jpg(Wolverine #142) wolverine through out this comic shows some pretty impressive dodging feats. He dodges laser and machine gun firer quite easily.
Speed feat. Wolverine is pretty dam fast. He is faster then human eye can see at times.
http://img145.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc54&image=22730_fast.jpg(wolverine #97) wolverine while fight a bunch of guys in metal suits manages to while charging one to not be hit by a single bullet and when the guy is firing at him with two very high powered machine guns.
(House of M #3) wolverine while fighting his squadron manages not to be hit by a single bullet and even at one point shows the bullets in slow motion next to him. Also at one point night crawler teleport a foot or so away from him shooting as shown as he appear and wolverine still just ducks under the firer and crab night crawler tail easily with out getting hit.
(Wolverine #133) wolverine easily dodges energy blast sent his way by power house.
(x-men classic #55) wolverine dodges a laser blast front a sentinel even after prof.x was in his h3ad and made him lose his stride.
(Wolverine weaponx the origin of wolverine) soldier shoot bullets at wolverine and are shown to look like there in slow motion to wolverine.(x-men x-cutioner’s song chapter 6) cable firer a gun at wolverine from point blank wolverine dodges it then cut cables gun.
(Wolverine #24) wolverine dodges a bullet from a trained assassin from close range and even comment on how easy it is.
(Wolverine in Black Shadow! White Shadow! Chapter one the killing ground) has wolverine cutting a guys gun to piece with out him even seeing it. Also in the same issue wolverine dodges a bunch of machinegun firer.
(Wolverine #40) wolverine well carrying a girl dodges beams of deadly light.
(Wolverine vs Spiderman nuff said? #48) wolverine has a little fist fight with Spiderman and seems to have had the upper hand in the battle.
(wolverine #137) wolverine dodges a bunch of lasers.
(x-men #103) wolverine shows some his agility well getting out of a trap rogue get him in.Wolverines fast look at how he saves night crawler
http://img113.imageshack.us/my.php?image=speed4fn.jpg(Wolverine soultalker 3) wolverine in a small room easily dodges the beam this witch girl shoots at him.
Wolverine is quite fast and accurate
http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinev1068170in.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinev1068183cz.jpg(Wolverine #53) a rocket is flying through the air as it goes by wolverine he stabs it with his claws and leaps on it. In order to do this feat u would need amazingly fast reflexes and agility.
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Just like I said! When it comes to the main question "how could Wolverine defeat Spider-man" the only thing you could do is to post pics of Wolverine dodging machineguns(What is not a big deal if you have a healing factor which you know could save you if you fale, hell i could've dodge bullets the same way as he did if i had healing factor!) and throwing rubbish containers.
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Read carefully! I said Spider-man SEES him 40 times slower than average human! It's not about speed but reflexes. And that's a fact since his reflexes are 40 times better than human's. Even not superheroes were dodging Wolverine, Spidey could do the same but many times better.
Man have you read what i posted above?!!! SPIDER-MAN GETS HIT IN COMIX BECAUSE OTHERWISE NOONE WOULD BUY MARVEL COMIX AND MARVEL WOULD BANCRUPT!!!
And that Wolverine hits him in comix IS ONLY MADE to look fight interesting and this is not a bullsh!t but a fact you must accept.
Originally posted by samishe
😆 😆 😆Just like I said! When it comes to the main question "how could Wolverine defeat Spider-man" the only thing you could do is to post pics of Wolverine dodging machineguns(What is not a big deal if you have a healing factor which you know could save you if you fale, hell i could've dodge bullets the same way as he did if i had healing factor!) and throwing rubbish containers.
😆Read carefully! I said Spider-man SEES him 40 times slower than average human! It's not about speed but reflexes. And that's a fact since his reflexes are 40 times better than human's. Even not superheroes were dodging Wolverine, Spidey could do the same but many times better.
Man have you read what i posted above?!!! SPIDER-MAN GETS HIT IN COMIX BECAUSE OTHERWISE NOONE WOULD BUY MARVEL COMIX AND MARVEL WOULD BANCRUPT!!!
And that Wolverine hits him in comix IS ONLY MADE to look fight interesting and this is not a bullsh!t but a fact you must accept.
Not to mention that the dodgeing of machine gun fire you posted there is wolverine running away looking for a better angle of attack, when spider-man dodges machine gun fire he weaves through it and kicks the crap outa the shooter. The only impressive dodging feat throughout all of that is wolverine dodging living lighting, and none of that shows wolverine has superhuman reflexes, they just show wolverine either antipating an attack with his senses, or running as fast as he can.
But even so as fast as wolverine is, which is peak human, combined with his senses which makes him appear faster has got nothing on spider-man's speed, who also seems much faster with his spider-sense but he is still a hell of alot faster than wolverine without it.
And samshie is right if you had a comic of spider-man and he never got hit, would you read it, same reason as if wolverine is so fast he shouldnt get hit either except from people with superior speed and agility such as spider-man, but then wolverine comics would be boring aswell.
And ok I'll give a couple of scenario's now of how spider-man could beat wolverine....
First is an easy one spider-man can just use his superior speed to get near wolverine and burst a web cartridge and throw it at wolverine, the webfluid would then expand to fast for wolverine to cut through and he would then become incapacitated... and oncce it stopped expanding there would be so much webbing engulfing wolverine he couldnt move so he couldn't slash his way out.
Second spider-man can keep his distance from wolverine and coat the floor in webbing while spider-man stays in the air while webswinging wolverine would either be stuck to the floor or be to busy getting free from the webbing leaving him open for spidey to throw more webbing on wolvverine so he can't move then spider-man can proceed to kicking the stuffing out of wolverine, it would take a while but eventualy wolverine would be knocked out as he can't move to defend himself from spider-man's blows.
Third, as he knows wolverine would survive using his superior reflexes, once againhe could use his new stingers to keep stabbing wolverine while bypassing wolverines attacks, and using shots of webbing to slow wolverine down and stabbing so much he overloads wolverines healing factor leaving him easy pickings to KO.
And fourth depending on whether he has them, he could use his sedative stingers ( he only used them once after he became spider-man again after Ben Reily) but he could use them to slow wolverines speed a reflexes, which would also slow wolverines healing factor while its trying to get rid of the sedatives out of his body leaving him open to a barrage of punches from the webspinner, granted it wouldnt be a big or a very long opening but it would be enough to cause some damage.
So there you have it theres aload of scenarios where spider-man would win, now where are wolverines I ask you?
Originally posted by Sparkz
And ok I'll give a couple of scenario's now of how spider-man could beat wolverine....First is an easy one spider-man can just use his superior speed to get near wolverine and burst a web cartridge and throw it at wolverine, the webfluid would then expand to fast for wolverine to cut through and he would then become incapacitated... and oncce it stopped expanding there would be so much webbing engulfing wolverine he couldnt move so he couldn't slash his way out.
Second spider-man can keep his distance from wolverine and coat the floor in webbing while spider-man stays in the air while webswinging wolverine would either be stuck to the floor or be to busy getting free from the webbing leaving him open for spidey to throw more webbing on wolvverine so he can't move then spider-man can proceed to kicking the stuffing out of wolverine, it would take a while but eventualy wolverine would be knocked out as he can't move to defend himself from spider-man's blows.
Third, as he knows wolverine would survive using his superior reflexes, once againhe could use his new stingers to keep stabbing wolverine while bypassing wolverines attacks, and using shots of webbing to slow wolverine down and stabbing so much he overloads wolverines healing factor leaving him easy pickings to KO.
And fourth depending on whether he has them, he could use his sedative stingers ( he only used them once after he became spider-man again after Ben Reily) but he could use them to slow wolverines speed a reflexes, which would also slow wolverines healing factor while its trying to get rid of the sedatives out of his body leaving him open to a barrage of punches from the webspinner, granted it wouldnt be a big or a very long opening but it would be enough to cause some damage.
I'll add couple if you don't mind.
Spider-man punches him in the throat and Logan is done.
Spider-man webs him to the ground in "X" position and ripps his skeleton off.
Originally posted by riceroost
Well Wolverine never has a problem catching Spider-Man. So I dont think Spider-Man is really faster than he is. More agile? Probably. Faster? Very debatable. And considering Sabretooth has always been faster than Wolverine, I doubt Spider-Man is faster than him either.They both have enhanced agility.
Wolverine's reflexes are rediculously enhanced.
Wolverine's fighting intelligence makes Peter look like a retard. Equivalent of beating 4 chess supercomputers in his head while doing strenuous physical activity.
Spider-Man has to hit Wolverine a lot to put him down. And even if he does by the time Peter turns around Wolverine will be back up. Spider-Man vs. Wolverine # 1: Spider-Man pummels the crap out of Wolverine as hard as he can. Wolverine smiles at him.
Wolverine only has to hit Spider-Man 1 time. And dont say he can't do it because he has, several times.
What you're not understanding is: given their power sets, Cross-overs aside, Wolverine should never be able to touch Spiderman. Just think about it. I know that you know how fast, agile, reflexive (dunno if that's a word, but work with me) Spiderman is. I know, I know. Wolvie is very enhanced in those departments himself. But you must realize that Spidey is really in a completely different league than Wolverine here. His physical attributes WAY outclass Wolverine's. Wolverine's an exceptional fighter, I never took that away from him. But what people seem to realize is that Spiderman, while not in the traditional sense, is an extraordinary fighter himself. He thinks on his feet better than anyone, able to come up with complex plans in mere moments during intense struggles. His instincts while fighting alone make Wolvie look unprepared. Someone who can predict where you are going to attack makes him extremely difficult to hit when you are levels below in terms of speed and reflexes.
But, these facts have been repeated over and over again. So I'm really just wasting ny time doing this.
Spiderman takes this.
He is faster, stronger, more agile, and has much better reflexes due to the spider-sense, do not try and compare wolverine's animal senses with the spider-sense, it just does not work out.
Also, if you factor in spiderman's stress factor when he is in a life or death situation, his strength level, which already defeats wolverine's, skyrockets into uncharted territory. Sure it'll be a good fight, but wolverine will not win.
Originally posted by Jade Lightning
Spiderman takes this.He is faster, stronger, more agile, and has much better reflexes due to the spider-sense, do not try and compare wolverine's animal senses with the spider-sense, it just does not work out.
Also, if you factor in spiderman's stress factor when he is in a life or death situation, his strength level, which already defeats wolverine's, skyrockets into uncharted territory. Sure it'll be a good fight, but wolverine will not win.
We've been trying to tell this to them for 640+ pages. Sadly, they don't understand or they don't want to understand this. 🙁
Originally posted by samishe
😆 😆 😆Just like I said! When it comes to the main question "how could Wolverine defeat Spider-man" the only thing you could do is to post pics of Wolverine dodging machineguns(What is not a big deal if you have a healing factor which you know could save you if you fale, hell i could've dodge bullets the same way as he did if i had healing factor!) and throwing rubbish containers.
😆Read carefully! I said Spider-man SEES him 40 times slower than average human! It's not about speed but reflexes. And that's a fact since his reflexes are 40 times better than human's. Even not superheroes were dodging Wolverine, Spidey could do the same but many times better.
Man have you read what i posted above?!!! SPIDER-MAN GETS HIT IN COMIX BECAUSE OTHERWISE NOONE WOULD BUY MARVEL COMIX AND MARVEL WOULD BANCRUPT!!!
And that Wolverine hits him in comix IS ONLY MADE to look fight interesting and this is not a bullsh!t but a fact you must accept.
wait so no the only reason spiderman gets hit in comics is so they look good? do u honestly here what comes out of ur mouth? please im begging to know if u think about what u say before u say it.
[QUOTE=6464505][i]Originally posted by Sparkz [
Not to mention that the dodgeing of machine gun fire you posted there is wolverine running away looking for a better angle of attack, when spider-man dodges machine gun fire he weaves through it and kicks the crap outa the shooter. The only impressive dodging feat throughout all of that is wolverine dodging living lighting, and none of that shows wolverine has superhuman reflexes, they just show wolverine either antipating an attack with his senses, or running as fast as he can.
DID U EVEN READ THE OTHERE FEATS I POSTED? HELL EVEN THE ONE U COMMENTED ON U PLANLY DID NOT READ IT BECUASE I SAID RIGHT IN IT WOLVERINe LATE RIN THE COMCI CHARGES AND DODGES MICHINE GUN FIRE AS HE CHARGING. THE OTHER FEATS I LISTED ARE WOLVERINE DODGEING LAZERS AND SUCH WHICH IS FAR MORE IMPRESSIVE THEN MACHINE GUN FIRE. U NEED TO READ MY FEAT LIST BEFORE TALKING.
But even so as fast as wolverine is, which is peak human, combined with his senses which makes him appear faster has got nothing on spider-man's speed, who also seems much faster with his spider-sense but he is still a hell of alot faster than wolverine without it.
YUP U PLAINLY KNOW NUTHING ABOUT WOLVERINE. WOLVERINE IS SUPERHUMAN REFLEXES AND AGILITY NOT PEAKHUMAN BUT NICE TRY.
Marvel hand book 2002-2003 master edition
Marvel knights encyclopedia 2003
(THE SHOW DOWN OF THE CENTURY DC VERSUS MARVEL COMICS)
Marvel comics presents Wolverine volume 2
all thses sources say he superhuman.
And samshie is right if you had a comic of spider-man and he never got hit, would you read it, same reason as if wolverine is so fast he shouldnt get hit either except from people with superior speed and agility such as spider-man, but then wolverine comics would be boring aswell.
NO HE JUST MAKING EXCUSES
And ok I'll give a couple of scenario's now of how spider-man could beat wolverine....
First is an easy one spider-man can just use his superior speed to get near wolverine and burst a web cartridge and throw it at wolverine, the webfluid would then expand to fast for wolverine to cut through and he would then become incapacitated... and oncce it stopped expanding there would be so much webbing engulfing wolverine he couldnt move so he couldn't slash his way out.
NOPE WON"T WORK. FIRST SPIDERMAN NO LOGNER CAN DO THAT SINCE HE NO LONGER USES WEB CARTRIDGES AND SECOND WOLVERINE ARMS SPEED IS SO FAST THAT HE CUT IT TO NUTHIGN WITH NO PROBLEMS.
Second spider-man can keep his distance from wolverine and coat the floor in webbing while spider-man stays in the air while webswinging wolverine would either be stuck to the floor or be to busy getting free from the webbing leaving him open for spidey to throw more webbing on wolvverine so he can't move then spider-man can proceed to kicking the stuffing out of wolverine, it would take a while but eventualy wolverine would be knocked out as he can't move to defend himself from spider-man's blows.
FIRST IT A AREANA BATTLE THERE NUTHIGN FOR SPIDERMAN TO WEB ON TO SECOND WOLEVRINe CAN CUT THE WEBBING ALL AROUND HIM.
Third, as he knows wolverine would survive using his superior reflexes, once againhe could use his new stingers to keep stabbing wolverine while bypassing wolverines attacks, and using shots of webbing to slow wolverine down and stabbing so much he overloads wolverines healing factor leaving him easy pickings to KO.
FIRST OFF SPIDERMAN CAN NOT USE HIS STINGER VS NO MAGICAL BEINGS> SEOCND WOLEVRINE HAS SHOWN REPEATEDLY HE HAS NO TROUBLE HITTING SPIDERMAN
And fourth depending on whether he has them, he could use his sedative stingers ( he only used them once after he became spider-man again after Ben Reily) but he could use them to slow wolverines speed a reflexes, which would also slow wolverines healing factor while its trying to get rid of the sedatives out of his body leaving him open to a barrage of punches from the webspinner, granted it wouldnt be a big or a very long opening but it would be enough to cause some damage.
DUDE THAT WOULD NOT EVEN EFFECT WOLVERINE. SECOND NO IN SPIDERMANS STANDERED EQUIPTMENT.
So there you have it theres aload of scenarios where spider-man would win, now where are wolverines I ask you? [/
ALL UR SCENERIOS WOULD NEVER WORK AND MSOT OF THEM DO NOT WORK ON THIS TYPE OF BATTLE FIELD AND WOUDL NOT WORK EITHER WAY.
SCENERIO ARE USE LESS I COULD MAKE UP HUNDREDS BUT HARD FACT IS MUCH BETTER THEN WHAT PEOPLE LIKE TO MAKE UP IN THERE HEADS.
Originally posted by samishe
I'll add couple if you don't mind.Spider-man punches him in the throat and Logan is done.
Spider-man webs him to the ground in "X" position and ripps his skeleton off.
