<<comparatively.....batman's punches are has devistating on the inside as they are on the outside.....batman with a well balanced etc hit should be able to apply up to and including 6 to 7000 pounds of pressure in a hit per square inch......that's like getting hit by a bus but compacted into the size of a fist.....spidey has more strength....bat's has more power.....>>
jinzin, i'm new here (comparatively) and i've seen many of your posts. they're usually pretty good. you are out of your mind with this post. bertran is EXACTLY right. where does power come from?? it comes from a combinatio of speed and strength. spidey is stronger. spidey is faster. batman punches a brick wall his hand shatters into a million pieces because he does not have the power to penetrate it. spidey punches a brick wall, IT shatters because he has much more power. there is no 'comparatively'. these things are absolutes. spidey is absolutely stronger. absolutely faster and so absolutely has more 'power'.
"If getting punched by Batman is like getting hit by a bus, than getting puched by Spidey must be like getting hit by a train! Or a plane...or a saturn V rocket....or a small planetoid....or a .....well, u get the picture..."
my thing is batman has more pound for pound power than spidey....okay maybe pound for pound is a bad example....okay......if you stripped parker of his powers.....IF.....and put him and batman against a pound of pressure punching bag.....peter would probably have like 150 pounds of pressure applied to his hit, most likely less....I say this because he lacks any sufficient training that bat's as aquired......any REAL martial artists that's halfway decent can apply over 2000 pounds of pressure per inch in a hit (more force than generated in most car wrecks as I'm sure you already know by now)....now multiply that by 2 or 3 because batman's of PEAK human physicality....then add another 2 to 3000 pounds due to his mystical chi harnessing abilities....he's definitely hitting harder than parker comparitively.....spiderman probably throws out like anywhere from 4 to 5 tons of pressure in hit because of his powers...but because he's never had the proper training to learn how to hit right he'll never be able to find the peak of his potential that batman has.....he usually just throws fists out there...doesn't use martial arts techniques like using his hips or his chi ......etc. etc.....hope this was clearer for everybody....sorry for the confusion....the point is....spider strength or not batman can still hurt the hell out of him with punches and kicks.... cause batman has more power comparitively....I think we're all getting confused by what I'm attempting to convey and I apologize...but I can't think of any other way of saying it...
Originally posted by jinzin
spiderman probably throws out like anywhere from 4 to 5 tons of pressure in hit because of his powers...but because he's never had the proper training to learn how to hit right he'll never be able to find the peak of his potential that batman has
Anyways, comparatively doesn't make Batman hit harder than Spiderman. Even a sloppy punch from someone like 20-30 times stronger than you should be more powerful than your perfect jab or whatever.
Originally posted by jinzin
I never said that....and that wasn't my argument....so you've got no disagreement from me...and I think he may use martial arts he's seen in the movies...but has he ever had any real training in the art?....not to my knowledge....unless it's been very recent...
Hey Jinzin, I think I understand your point: For example a 130 lb guy that's a black belt can hit harder than a 250 lb guy without any training. But in this case your argument doesn't hold up due to the order of magnitude of differnece between Batman and Spidey strength-wise. Spidey is just SOOOO much stronger, he doesn't need perfect technique to hit harder than Batman.
Also, keep in mind that although Spidey may not have any formal training, his vast experience has to count for something. I'm sure the effiency of his punches has improved greatly over time, given the incredible number of fights he has been in.
Nah even with the upgrade, a punch using only your arm is severely weak. you should be able to put about about 1/5 of your bench in psi. Add in the fact that Spidey often strikes off balance, and leave at about half of that. that's only about 1500 psi.
Regular humans with lots of trainig put out over 2000, now add in Batman's superior training and chi manipulation...
Look in the DC encyclopedia, it has a nice picture of a very young bruce wayne completley smashing a 3 foot wide tree with a single side kick.
Jinzin and Mercilous both argue on this premise... They're making Batman out to be longshot... He gets to be @ the peak of his game while spiderman has to be mediocre. Fine, if that's how they want to argue...there's not much anyone can say to that except "that's bullshit, it's stupid and it's not true".
Spiderman's agility also makes it a lot easier for him to punch with added force. Even if batman hits 100% 100% of the time....The expected value is lower than spiderman. Spiderman only need to hit 1/20th 100% of the time. If you don't understand what i just said, read a prob stat book.
Originally posted by bertran
Hey Jinzin, I think I understand your point: For example a 130 lb guy that's a black belt can hit harder than a 250 lb guy without any training. But in this case your argument doesn't hold up due to the order of magnitude of differnece between Batman and Spidey strength-wise. Spidey is just SOOOO much stronger, he doesn't need perfect technique to hit harder than Batman.
Also, keep in mind that although Spidey may not have any formal training, his vast experience has to count for something. I'm sure the effiency of his punches has improved greatly over time, given the incredible number of fights he has been in.
the first half of my post was alluding to how you think.
THe 2nd half addressed ur punching power claims... Why did you only address the first half and not the 2nd? Whent he 2nd was directed as a response?
Originally posted by jinzin
I'm guessing my previous posts just flew over your head didn't they wang.....I didn't make any reference to batman vs. spidey.......lol.....I'm talking about punching power vs. physical strength.....comparatively batman's got more power.....bertran understood it......why can't you?
The first half was me explaining to bertran how ur logic works. It's twisted.
And you agree w/ the second half? In the second half I BLATANTLY state that spiderman hits harder than batman overall...LOL apparently your the one who doesn't comprehend things.
Originally posted by jinzin
the first half has nothing to do with this ****ing thread.....and I agree with the second half...you would know that if you could read and comprehend my posts....
Originally posted by JWangSDC
Jinzin and Mercilous both argue on this premise... They're making Batman out to be longshot... He gets to be @ the peak of his game while spiderman has to be mediocre. Fine, if that's how they want to argue...there's not much anyone can say to that except "that's bullshit, it's stupid and it's not true".Spiderman's agility also makes it a lot easier for him to punch with added force. Even if batman hits 100% 100% of the time....The expected value is lower than spiderman. Spiderman only need to hit 1/20th 100% of the time. If you don't understand what i just said, read a prob stat book.
Originally posted by jinzin
I'm guessing my previous posts just flew over your head didn't they wang.....I didn't make any reference to batman vs. spidey.......lol.....I'm talking about punching power vs. physical strength.....comparatively batman's got more power.....bertran understood it......why can't you?