"OK i may be off base on this but everyone talks about how spidermans spidey sence would always save him from attack and that noone can ever hit him. but doesn't his spidey sence just tell him that danger is near i mean it don't show him a picture of exactly what will happen so he does not know if a punch is coming from his right , left an uppercut or a bullet coming at him."
yeah it tells him this and the genral direction of where things are coming from.....which was a point I tried to make a hella long time ago....DD's outsmarted his spidersense before....with constant attacks that wolverine would be dishing out spiderman would barley be able to keep up...
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not even a full impact from colussus phazes wolverine.How's spidey gonna hurt him?
<<not even a full impact from colussus phazes wolverine.How's spidey gonna hurt him?>>
that's one of the most ridiculous scenes i've ever seen AND i think i've actually got that book somewhere . . . to match that ridiculousness i could remind you how stupid spidey made ALL the xmen look in secret wars. i've seen wolvie doubled over and beat up by regular humans, so to show him getting swatted by colossos and not being hurt is . . . well you get the picture.
the results of this battle have been borne out in a book. by wolvie's OWN admission, spidey could have killed wolverine. all he had to do was break wolvie's neck - fight over. not too long ago, spidey trounced taskmaster - easily. taskmaster ran away frightened because spidey was actually (for one of the rare times) enraged. an enraged spidey pummelled out firelord. an enraged spidey (to quote draco) is dangerous . . .
<<with constant attacks that wolverine would be dishing out spiderman would barley be able to keep up...>>
but jinzin, spidey is FASTER than him. again, it was borne out the times they've met. wolvie has never laid a finger on spidey. spidey rides his spider sense and avoids everything wolvie can dish out then waits for an opening. problem is, spidey would never kill wolverine - unless it was some extreme situation. and again, his skeleton is LACED - he doesn't have an adamantium skeleton. i hate wolverine but know enough to give the devil his due. he's a tough bastard. i can't see anyway he could ever logically beat spidey (spidey has range, speed, strength, webs) because i can't see how wolvie would ever hit him, but i'll admit the only way spidey could win the battle would be to end it definitively - and that's something spidey wouldn't do. just please please don't make wolvie out to be more than he is. he's been beaten and KO'd MANY MANY times. bertran was right, spidey is often underrated in this forum and most who like him are called fanboys. i tend to call them logical.
"i've seen wolvie doubled over and beat up by regular humans,'
since when?
"the results of this battle have been borne out in a book. by wolvie's OWN admission, spidey could have killed wolverine. all he had to do was break wolvie's neck - fight over"
guess you didn't look at the pics huh? it was a stalemate.....and again we don't even know that spiderman CAN break wolverine's neck....how would wolverine know? has he had his adamantium neck broken before? was he aware his skeleton had bonded on a molecular level? NO! in my opnion wolverine could have wasted spiderman sooooooo much more easily than the other way around....
"but jinzin, spidey is FASTER than him. again, it was borne out the times they've met. wolvie has never laid a finger on spidey. spidey rides his spider sense and avoids everything wolvie can dish"
I suggest you go and look at about page 80 or so in the spiderman vs. cap/wolvie/dd thread...right about where I went scan crazy....you'll quickly regret making such an uninformed satement....wolverine's speed is more than profecient enough to hit spidey......and if a regular human...above average ninja can stalemate spidey's speed, an expert fighting mutant with a healing factor can definitely do the same...and has for that matter
Originally posted by mr.smiley
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not even a full impact from colussus phazes wolverine.How's spidey gonna hurt him?
well collosus punched logan all out in x-men 95 I think........wait that doesn't sound right.....okay I'm too lazt to look right now but wolverine was marauding around as death and colossus hit him full on the caption went on and on about how hit punches have been able to go toe to toe with beings like thor but this new enemy just stood up without missing a beat.....so......yeah...he can.... 🙂
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rat this
I belive that was from the dark phoenix saga.If not,you still should have gotten the idea.
<<guess you didn't look at the pics huh? it was a stalemate.....and again we don't even know that spiderman CAN break wolverine's neck....how would wolverine know? has he had his adamantium neck broken before? was he aware his skeleton had bonded on a molecular level? NO! in my opnion wolverine could have wasted spiderman sooooooo much more easily than the other way around....>>
actually we DO know. his skeleton and where it is laced with adamantium has been displayed in a couple different issues - and wolverine would most CERTAINLY know where his own weaknesses are. and generally i look at pics AND read the story . . . i was particularly interested in the part where wolverine said:
"we both know the only way for you to beat me is for you to use all your strength and snap my neck. bang. you win. thing is, i'm bettin' my life you ain't got the guts for that."
sounds pretty black and white. i could go into the sheer ridiculous nature of that skeleton (just because his skull's hard doesn't mean his brain wouldn't be rocketted around his skull like a jumping bean, or how his ligaments and tendons and joints would be rendered unuseable by the stress of receiving blows from someone as strong as spidey) but that's not the issue. i don't understand how you say wolvie could have ended the fight more easily - he could not touch spidey! we clearly viewed the fight in fundamentally different ways.
and wolvie has had his butt kicked by many ninja's and samurai's -- all human though extremely skilled -- many times in his own series and limited series.
"actually we DO know. his skeleton and where it is laced with adamantium has been displayed in a couple different issues - and wolverine would most CERTAINLY know where his own weaknesses are. and generally i look at pics AND read the story . . . i was particularly interested in the part where wolverine said:
"we both know the only way for you to beat me is for you to use all your strength and snap my neck. bang. you win. thing is, i'm bettin' my life you ain't got the guts for that."
dude it was a stalemate.....even IF....IF.....(I'll repeat) IF........spiderman could snap wolverine's neck......it was still "snikt" vs. "snap"...... there was no advantage....just because wolverine "admitted" that he was in a position to die and spiderman didn't doesn't mean that spiderman was in fact not in a position to die.....look at the pic again.....it a salemate....how you believe this is debateable....I have no idea....
"sounds pretty black and white. i could go into the sheer ridiculous nature of that skeleton (just because his skull's hard doesn't mean his brain wouldn't be rocketted around his skull like a jumping bean, or how his ligaments and tendons and joints would be rendered unuseable by the stress of receiving blows from someone as strong as spidey) but that's not the issue."
dude it's a comic book debate...we're discussing the characters the way they've been presented to us.....Have you ever seen wolverine's bones break?
the skeleton is bonded at a molecular level...that's why everytime he gets fried it's still in one peice...the ridiculousness of the skeletal structure's not an issue.....if it was I got quite a few bones to pick with spiderman's physiology as well......the point is....wolverine's skeleton is bonded...spiderman can't snap adamantium.....even if once again IF by some miracle he could.....he'd have to put tons of stress into his muscles to be able to do so......I mean wolverine did say ALL your strength did he not...... now I know that WHAT IF's aren't all that great to be pulling examples from but the characters still retain their abilities more the mostt part.....mostly it's simply events that change.....it took ALLLLLLLLLL of hulks power and might to even dislodge one vertebre in wolverine's neck........spiderman'd strength doesn't even come close to that.....at all......what left is there to debate about this issue?
honestly....?
"i don't understand how you say wolvie could have ended the fight more easily -"
now you tell me what's easier and faster to do.....bend a bar from the position and leverage that spidey was working with...or flick your wrist...because that's what it came down to... in my eyes....or any other logical ones for that matter.....i think the flick of the wrist will probably win.....actually it will definitely win.........
i don't understand how you say wolvie could have ended the fight more easily - he could not touch spidey! we clearly viewed the fight in fundamentally different ways.
I guess.....you say you're taking to heart all the written words as well? what about where siderman was scared to death about getting aced?
clearly it wasn't a decisive or even marginal....you know what it wasn't a victory at all in fact....
"and wolvie has had his butt kicked by many ninja's and samurai's -- all human though extremely skilled -- many times in his own series and limited series."
what when he's drugged up?...or when he's fighting them in the hundreds?
"sounds pretty black and white. i could go into the sheer ridiculous <<nature of that skeleton (just because his skull's hard doesn't mean his brain wouldn't be rocketted around his skull like a jumping bean, or how his ligaments and tendons and joints would be rendered unuseable by the stress of receiving blows from someone as strong as spidey) but that's not the issue."
dude it's a comic book debateall right>>
yep. that's why i so slyly DIDN'T bring it up . . .
all right, jinzin. you're not changing my mind (i think spidey had him first and could certainly have snapped his neck ending the fight - that was shown first - we don't see wolvie's claws til AFTER wolvie is talking to him). i also believe in a well written battle (spidey being afraid is true and ridiculous - HUNDREDS of people have tried to kill him, why is he possibly afraid of wolverine??) that spidey should definitely win a battle between the. stronger, faster, webs, spidey sense - all these should be more than enough. spidey's beaten plenty of tougher guys than wolverine in his career. however, all of this is of course my opinion. you obviously love wolverine and have your own thoughts. cool enough. i'm certainly not going to argue (as opposed to debate) with you about it - though i guess we could start calling each other names and making personal insults - seems to draw crowds. but i'm afraid we'll simply have to agree to disagree on the issue. perhaps a well written fight will happen in the future and settle it once and for all.
<<who the **** is ben?>.
no idea, but you must feel really good to have him on your side . . .
