Originally posted by DarkCrawler
This thing has been here longer then any current member of the Vesus Forums...I like to call it the Ancient Beast. It looms in the hidden corners of the forums and disappears for weeks or months, and it comes back. Always. It never goes away.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
If spiderman were fighting the real wolverine, (or thought he was), he wouldn't have gone easy on him. The other fight where he was trying his hardest, wolverine couldn't move. Noone can forget how he slices spidermans webbing with no leverage. None of the matches would go how they would in the forum. It's okay for wolverine to stab spiderman in a training session, but spiderman can't web wolverine up.None of this matters since it isn't current Spiderman and Wolverine anyways portrayed there. What do you honestly think of current wolverine and spiderman?
anywho.
spiderman is ridiculously overpowered as is wolverine in their current states.. seriously.. why does spiderman need to be faster with a better spider sense than before? why not just make him a teleporter? 😬
why make wolverine dodge bullets in one comic if he can regen from a skeleton the next? 😬
my stance on current representations is that they're terrible.. but in all likelyhood i'm inclined to think spidey wins...
Originally posted by Tha C-Masterin spite of me outright saying that spiderman wins 6 or 7/10 before I ot ahold of their one on one's?
I'm just saying these aren't comics, not giving anyone the ben of the doubt. which I get but that doesn't make comics moot points here...[QUOTE=6940697]Originally posted by Tha C-Master
[B] Which is why I said, "In those days." You never said wolverine was losing to spiderman at all, considering some of your other arguments.
Originally posted by willRules
surely you don't think it's strange how these punches have zero effect on logan, yet have been known to hurt the Hulk when spidey punched hulk in the head?
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again picking and choosing what's relivant and what isn't... how is THAT not a case of PIS when spiderman has practically broken his hands on hulk's skin.. and it was a weaker version of hulk?
Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
Logan's metal skeleton, claws, and healing factor are a *****,
Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
but so is fighting Spider-man with no superhuman strength
Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
or speed.
Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
Technically, Logan probably shouldn't be able to land a blow.
Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
I agree, by the way, that Wolverine's senses do jack for him in this fight.
Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
Spider-man's pre-cog is much more of an advantage here.
Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
Another thing, Wolverines's metal skeleton doesn't make him indestructable.
Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
Although able to heal at an excellerated rate, his organs and soft tissue can be damaged
Originally posted by Dr. Zaius--especially by a guy whose blows have the force of small mortor shells. [/B][/QUOTE]
Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
Throw in Spider-man's ability to leap out of harm's way if he gets in a jam,
Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
his ability to stick to surfaces beyond Wolverine's reach,
Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
and his webbing, which Wolverine can only cut through if his arms aren't pinned to his sides,
Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
and its hard to see Spidey losing this one.
Originally posted by jinzin
🤨again picking and choosing what's relivant and what isn't... how is THAT not a case of PIS when spiderman has practically broken his hands on hulk's skin.. and it was a weaker version of hulk?
And yet wolverine can stand up to the Hulk but not far weaker opponents such as cyclops or sabretooth? 😕
Originally posted by jinzin
in the graveyard wolvie let spiderman bash at his face.. spidey ran out of options.. he lost by default.. the difference between the webbing and and the trainin session is the level of hostility and the fact that one was a sparring session.. there are risks in sparring...
They fought in the graveyard and Wolverine "admitted" to spiderman breaking his neck. He didn't fight smart, and he had plenty more options, a hit on cement like that should have broken instantly yadda yadda ya.
Wolverine didn't seem unaware in the webbing incident as he told spiderman to move out of the way or else...
And the last was still an accident and nothing else... Spiderman was hardly hostile. It would be the equivalent of me slap boxing my brother and he "accidentaly" leveling me, especially with someone's skill level as wolverine.
Originally posted by jinzinSpiderman always has amazing abilities, but he still fails to fufull them from what I've seen, unless someone else has seen otherwise recently.
spiderman is ridiculously overpowered as is wolverine in their current states.. seriously.. why does spiderman need to be faster with a better spider sense than before? why not just make him a teleporter? 😬
Originally posted by jinzinWell he's gradually gotten to that point, and it takes away from good writing otherwise.
why make wolverine dodge bullets in one comic if he can regen from a skeleton the next? 😬
Originally posted by jinzin
my stance on current representations is that they're terrible.. but in all likelyhood i'm inclined to think spidey wins...
Originally posted by jinzinI'm going back to the beginning, maybe you thought that, but you didn't say it, you were supporting him, and I recalled you saying a tie at first, and then wolverine 7/10
in spite of me outright saying that spiderman wins 6 or 7/10 before I ot ahold of their one on one's?
Originally posted by jinzinMy point is that you were simply more reasonable now then you were then, don't destroy it.
again attacking past arguments for which there was perfectly reasonable rationale... to be completely honest even if I still thought wolvie could take carnage I don't see what the big deal is.. again, you would have to ignore comic book evidence and CIS to think that it's such a ridiculous notion.
Originally posted by jinzinNo diff than wolverine unable to pierce hulk... relevancy is what's relevant. 😉
🤨again picking and choosing what's relivant and what isn't... how is THAT not a case of PIS when spiderman has practically broken his hands on hulk's skin.. and it was a weaker version of hulk?
Alot of the Major heroes have hurt the hulk, and have been hit by them and survived. Doesn't mean its their set durability.
(sigh) we've already been through this..
the only time cyclops has ever really given logan a problem in h2h was when logan was in a really messed up mental/emotional state...
even then all cyk did was toss him...
if you're talking about his blasts.. there are as many showings of wolverine standing up to the blast as there are him getting beamed away.. and EVEN THEN the majority of the time he does get sent airborn he gets right back up as soon as he hits dirt....
with sabes.. again we've been through this already.. yes sabretooth gives logan a LOT of trouble.. the thing with hulk is wolverine doesn't fight hulk for very long but hulk is one of the few people that can send wolvie into a real rage almost instantly... wolverine gets angry his healing factor gets kicked up a notch... and he starts to peak in what his body can and can't take.. but the fights with hulk usually resolve themselves in minutes... so logan looks better off than in his fights with sabretooth, which last virtually hours taking a FARRR greater toll on wolverine's healing factor than his short fights with hulk... if the fights with hulk lasted longer they'd look grimmer than his confrontations with sabes.. but since they don't.. well.... 😕
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
They fought in the graveyard and Wolverine "admitted" to spiderman breaking his neck. He didn't fight smart, and he had plenty more options, a hit on cement like that should have broken instantly yadda yadda ya.
Wolverine didn't seem unaware in the webbing incident as he told spiderman to move out of the way or else...
And the last was still an accident and nothing else... Spiderman was hardly hostile. It would be the equivalent of me slap boxing my brother and he "accidentaly" leveling me, especially with someone's skill level as wolverine.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Spiderman always has amazing abilities, but he still fails to fufull them from what I've seen, unless someone else has seen otherwise recently.
Well he's gradually gotten to that point, and it takes away from good writing otherwise.
ummm okay.. 😕
why ask for my opinion if you don't like what I have to say?
Originally posted by Tha C-Masterat the time there were two major spidey/wolvie threads.. I know I said it in one of them.. I thought what srank did. that spidey wins cause of webbing..
I'm going back to the beginning, maybe you thought that, but you didn't say it, you were supporting him, and I recalled you saying a tie at first, and then wolverine 7/10
Originally posted by Tha C-Masterbased off misinterpretations....🙄
My point is that you were simply more reasonable now then you were then, don't destroy it.
Originally posted by Tha C-Masteryou mean like spidey vs. wolverine fights? oh no my mistake...
No diff than wolverine unable to pierce hulk... relevancy is what's relevant. 😉
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Alot of the Major heroes have hurt the hulk, and have been hit by them and survived. Doesn't mean its their set durability.
but it DOES start to build a base for likelyhood no?
Originally posted by jinzinSo one characters statements mean more than someone elses, despite the known fact that comics are known to exaggerate the events to give it a more intense feel?
graveyard-wolvie held back spidey didn't..
wolverine SAID spidey could break his neck.. how would he know? his necks never been broken with is admantium BONDED skeleton... 😬
Originally posted by jinzin
webbing-wolverine had his claws in,
I'm curious, when spiderman didn't use his webbing at the graveyard season, that counted? How?
Originally posted by jinzinHe made the comment to get out of his way, he got owned, and couldn't get out.
he was in mid conversation and his target was the kid not spidey... then spidey for all intents and purposes jumped him.. again, no more credible than when logan rammed his head into a tree
Originally posted by jinzinSo playfighting should be taken in the same consideration as a fight? A practice test taken in consideration as a test.
trainin session- they were both at the same level of hostility, (if they both weren't hostile that's still the same level)... wolverine came out on top spidey.. well obviously.
If two people are fighting, and one were to push another into a... sword on accident, and that person were to pass out and go to the hospital, that would mean that the other person is the winner in a fight where both start of even fighting at the best of their abilities?
Originally posted by jinzin
ummm okay.. 😕
why ask for my opinion if you don't like what I have to say?
I was simply elaborating, you are too sensitive.
Originally posted by jinzin
at the time there were two major spidey/wolvie threads.. I know I said it in one of them.. I thought what srank did. that spidey wins cause of webbing..
Srank did, and I thought he was pro wolverine in that sense, but I never saw you say it in all the threads that were carried across, and you KNOW a LOT of them got off topic.
Originally posted by jinzinObservations.
based off misinterpretations....🙄
Originally posted by jinzinI mean like their whole career and not two crossovers.
you mean like spidey vs. wolverine fights? oh no my mistake...
Originally posted by jinzinIf there wasn't a fanbase to please I would be more inclined to agree.
but it DOES start to build a base for likelyhood no?
Originally posted by Tha C-Masterdepending on the situation.. yes...
So one characters statements mean more than someone elses, despite the known fact that comics are known to exaggerate the events to give it a more intense feel?
look all I'm saying is that wolverine may have had the same assumption that EVERYONE else does about his skeleton, that the ligiments and joints aren't connected by admantium.. which would be correct.. if his admantium didn't bond at a molecular level with his skeletal structure creating an entirely new type of admantium alltogether...
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I'm curious, when spiderman didn't use his webbing at the graveyard season, that counted? How?
Originally posted by Tha C-Masterowned.. 🤨 like when he rammed spidey head into a tree? 😱
He made the comment to get out of his way, he got owned, and couldn't get out.
Originally posted by Tha C-Mastera practice test shows the standing grounds for whomever is taking it.. it showed a number of things that are relivant in spite of it being a training session.
So playfighting should be taken in the same consideration as a fight? A practice test taken in consideration as a test.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterI'm too sensitive cause i asked a valid question? 😐
I was simply elaborating, you are too sensitive.
Originally posted by Tha C-Masterof course they never reached all of the threads.. I specifically recall stating that once or twice in ONE thread.. my opinion changed rather quickly because shortly thereafter I found out the outcomes of their comic book confrontations...
Srank did, and I thought he was pro wolverine in that sense, but I never saw you say it in all the threads that were carried across, and you KNOW a LOT of them got off topic.
Originally posted by Tha C-Masterinaccurate.
Observations.
Originally posted by Tha C-Mastermore than two times.. builds consistency...
I mean like their whole career and not two crossovers.
as I said before.. we'll go nowhere with this so what's so hard about agreeing to disagree?.. it's clearly obvious that after a year and a half neither of us are changing opinions any time soon. and frankly I grew tired of having pissing contests with you long ago.
Originally posted by jinzin
depending on the situation.. yes...
apocalypse says he's more powerful than celestials.. is he cause he said so?
spiderman is thinking to himself that he's given it everything he's got... is he lying to himself? 😬
Fanboys say he's that strong all the time.
Spiderman was lying when he said his speed though... hmmm
Originally posted by jinzin
look all I'm saying is that wolverine may have had the same assumption that EVERYONE else does about his skeleton, that the ligiments and joints aren't connected by admantium.. which would be correct.. if his admantium didn't bond at a molecular level with his skeletal structure creating an entirely new type of admantium alltogether...
So how can gambit- nevermind.
Originally posted by jinzinOr when wolverine got swatted away.
owned.. 🤨 like when he rammed spidey head into a tree? 😱
Originally posted by jinzinNot if the practice test isn't the exact same grounds of the real test however.
a practice test shows the standing grounds for whomever is taking it.. it showed a number of things that are relivant in spite of it being a training session.
Originally posted by jinzin
I'm too sensitive cause i asked a valid question? 😐
I was being serious... iff you don't like what I have to say, why ask? you just looking to argue some more? I mean it seems that way the way you're dragging my posts out like this.
I didn't disagree, I simply said spiderman hadn't used it, I never said it was good or not, and I directly agreed with you and wolverine.
Now you're paranoid.
Originally posted by jinzin
of course they never reached all of the threads.. I specifically recall stating that once or twice in ONE thread.. my opinion changed rather quickly because shortly thereafter I found out the outcomes of their comic book confrontations...
I'll just skip this as it isn't important.
Originally posted by jinzinObjective. 😉
inaccurate.
Originally posted by jinzin
more than two times.. builds consistency...
Originally posted by jinzinThats fine not to go further, I recall you quoting first, and this isn't a pissing contest... no pointless drivel or anything, there's no need to say that as a copout, because if you were so tired of them you wouldn't accuse me of such things, or you would truly avoid them.
as I said before.. we'll go nowhere with this so what's so hard about agreeing to disagree?.. it's clearly obvious that after a year and a half neither of us are changing opinions any time soon. and frankly I grew tired of having pissing contests with you long ago.
Let this be the conclusive post then.
actually you started quoting me first in this particular instance.. i'm just sayin...
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Stalemating crossover battles? Neither had no clear winner, no matter how you slice it. Neither fight was straight like it would go in the forum, and neither fight was logical.Regardless, I always thought you said it was at LEAST a tie, heck you were arguing wolverine beating carnage in those days.
I hope you're joking. 😬
but as for the conclusive post.. i can live with that.
Anyone who thinks that Spider-Man's recent power upgrade will help him against Wolverine needs to go read the most recent Civil War Amazing Spider-Man issue. Captain America slapped Peter around pretty badly in close quarters fighting. The only way Spider-Man could land a hit was using his extra robotic arms.
Originally posted by riceroost
Anyone who thinks that Spider-Man's recent power upgrade will help him against Wolverine needs to go read the most recent Civil War Amazing Spider-Man issue. Captain America slapped Peter around pretty badly in close quarters fighting. The only way Spider-Man could land a hit was using his extra robotic arms.
😛
Originally posted by riceroost
Anyone who thinks that Spider-Man's recent power upgrade will help him against Wolverine needs to go read the most recent Civil War Amazing Spider-Man issue. Captain America slapped Peter around pretty badly in close quarters fighting. The only way Spider-Man could land a hit was using his extra robotic arms.
Originally posted by riceroostCap has roughed up Wolverine also though.
Anyone who thinks that Spider-Man's recent power upgrade will help him against Wolverine needs to go read the most recent Civil War Amazing Spider-Man issue. Captain America slapped Peter around pretty badly in close quarters fighting. The only way Spider-Man could land a hit was using his extra robotic arms.