Why do people always say wolverine never wanted a fight in that story? I remeber Wolverine chasing Spidey around the city then threatening to fight, then Spider-man webs him before he has a chance to do anything, granted they weren't fighting, but by no means was wolverine trying to avoid one, in any case if wolverine was so fast and his senses were so good he should have anticpated the webbing and avoided it.
Originally posted by keak da sneak
exactly wolvverine is better and if anyone want to argue about come over my house and play marvel vs capcom and we will see how wolverine will own him
Originally posted by badabing
*Badabing patiently waits with chips and beer for Capt, Jin, Rice and Srankmiss* 😖hifty: 😗
well wait no more...
Originally posted by Black Dudefirst off it's rather ridiculous that you come into this thread mouthing off about how little we wolverine supporters know about spiderman yet claim he's a 10 tonner...
Anyone who says Wolverine would win does not know Spidey that well. Wolverine strength wise is just above peak human. Currently Spiderman is a class 10 strengther meaning if he wasn't holding back each of his punchs would come with several tons of power.
at the moment.. spiderman's easily class 15 and possibly class 20...
so tell me something... how embarassing is it to have a wolverine supporter who doesn't "know much about spiderman" have to school you on spiderman's capibilities?
Originally posted by Black Dudeyes he is, too bad it doesn't matter one bit since he doesn't have the strength or skill to knock logan out. Something he's proved on 3 occasions already.
Yes Spiderman is stronger than him ALOT stronger than him.
so while spidey's strength>>>>>>>>wolvies..
wolverine's durability>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>spidey's strength.. get it? got it? good!
Originally posted by Black DudeOh really care to name these times? no wait I'll do it for you...
they have fought several times before with Spiderman coming out on top most of the time hell he usually embarasses the man.
secret wars, and marvel team up 1... both events= NON FIGHTS... hell secret wars is the only real useable example for spiderman and even then nothing really happened....
most of the time he embarasses the man? you sure you talking about wolvie/spidey showdowns? when did he embarass wolverine other than the aformentioned events? was it when wolverine fought him to a stalemate while holding back even though spidey gave his all? how about when wolverine slapped him 15 accross a rooftop? or rammed his head into a tree? or stabbed him? or kicked him in the nuts? or kicked him out of the way of an oncoming car?
the majority huh? were?
Originally posted by Black DudeIs he? is that why he just got pwned by cap? is that why he's been tagged by wolverine in every one on one? is that why they both display similar feats of speed all the time?
Not only is Spiderman stronger, but he's faster too, ALOT faster.
Originally posted by Black Dudeyou mean like when he got stabbed? or bitchslapped accross the rooftop? or kicked in the nuts? or caught in a choke?
He could dodge Wolverine while sleeping.
Originally posted by Black Dudebreak? no.. cut through? yes.. dodge? yes...
Then theres webbing Wolverine can't break it don't beleive me look here.
Anyone who says Wolverine would win does not know Spidey that well. Wolverine strength wise is just above peak human. Currently Spiderman is a class 10 strengther meaning if he wasn't holding back each of his punchs would come with several tons of power.
Yes Spiderman is stronger than him ALOT stronger than him. They have fought several times before with Spiderman coming out on top most of the time hell he usually embarasses the man.
Not only is Spiderman stronger, but he's faster too, ALOT faster. He could dodge Wolverine while sleeping. Then theres webbing Wolverine can't break it. I have a picture to prove it, but my computer won't let me upload it I will post it asap however.
As for feats HA! Spiderman has shown to be faster than Wolverine on multiple occasions. The only thing that is helping Wolverine here is his healing factor, which doesn't mean much he can't even break Spiderman's webbing. It pretty much goes like this.
Wolverine slashes Spiderman dodges and webbs him. Wolverine is unable to move let alone fight giving Spiderman the win. And if Spiderman wants to be a jerk he can web Wolverine and throw him as far as he can with over ten tons of strength as his disposal Wolverine is flying pretty far seeing as he only weighs about three hundred pounds give or take.
Think about it Wolverine gets shot at he takes the bullets. Spiderman gets shot he dodges them.
Originally posted by Sparkz
Why do people always say wolverine never wanted a fight in that story? I remeber Wolverine chasing Spidey around the city then threatening to fight, then Spider-man webs him before he has a chance to do anything, granted they weren't fighting, but by no means was wolverine trying to avoid one, in any case if wolverine was so fast and his senses were so good he should have anticpated the webbing and avoided it.
like spiderman should have not been stabbed by wolverine?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No. It was said in a Spider-man internal monologue.Lets assume that 15x is accurate and lets compare that to some other characters shall we? Punisher (who isn't even peak human by comic book standards) strolls into rooms of dozen of armed men and casually kills them all in a heart beat... often before they can draw their guns and get a shot off. He was once fighting some guy with a bomb hooked to his heart when a bunch of Shock Troopers showed up. The guy said Frank couldn't stop the Shock Troopers and prevent the guy from killing himself... so what does Frank do? He kills all the Shock Troopers surrounding him in littler the blink of an eye. How fast would someone need to be to do this? Franks reflexes would need to be around 5-10 faster then the best human to pull of feats like this. And Frank can't compete with the higher end streets like Cap/DD/Wolverine who are all faster/stronger then him. So why is Spider-man faster? Because some writer never haphazardly threw out a number on how much faster they are compared to normal men? Well they don't need too because the feats alone are enough to show that their speed is close enough to Spider-mans.
No, lets take Spider-man's feats. Like breaking into house with dozens of armed soldiers, defeating half of them, and he was moving that fast that noone even understood whom they were fighting with. It's hard to show speed differance of street level characters in the books but Spider-man is clearly much faster than Wolverine or Deardevil. How many times Wolverine moved faster than human eye reacts? Or dodged thirty laser shots at the same time?
Take this thing for example.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6834323
or this
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6634101
Wolverine's speed is clearly not on pair with Spider's and not because fans say so but because it was clearly shown in the books.
Cut the webbing sure thats if Spiderman doesnt web his hands to his chin. As for skill just look at the villians Spiderman has to deal with.
Wolverine is not taking Sand Man, Electro or any of his other high end villians.
Skill wise Wolverine isn't that impressive looking at his fights he's a brawler taking hits and dishing them back out. Spiderman is faster and packs multiple tons of force with each punch. And he can throw fast REALLY fast.
Originally posted by Sam Zyou know what else is clearly shown in books? that spiderman has MAJOR MAJOR issues fighting extremely well trained individuals like.. oh i dunno.. WOLVERINE for instance.. who has given spiderman hell every time they go 1on1... again.. lazers can't trick his spider sense and use it against him.. consider the second scan null and void...
No, lets take Spider-man's feats. Like breaking into house with dozens of armed soldiers, defeating half of them, and he was moving that fast that noone even understood whom they were fighting with. It's hard to show speed differance of street level characters in the books but Spider-man is clearly much faster than Wolverine or Deardevil. How many times Wolverine moved faster than human eye reacts? Or dodged thirty laser shots at the same time?Take this thing for example.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6834323
or this
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6634101
Wolverine's speed is clearly not on pair with Spider's and not because fans say so but because it was clearly shown in the books.
wolverine has also speedblitzed that fast or fought faster than the human eye could track or even follow for that matter on nearly a dozen occasions... but wait.. wolverine's feats don't count when they make him look good.. only spiderman's ....
Originally posted by Black Dudewhile he's ready with his claws out? yeah good luck with that.. considering spiderman has tried to web a battle ready wolvie.. 3 times.. and each time failed him utterly..
Cut the webbing sure thats if Spiderman doesnt web his hands to his chin.
Originally posted by Black Dudeyou sure you want to get into the rogues gallery argument? you've heard of hulk I assume....
As for skill just look at the villians Spiderman has to deal with.
Originally posted by Black Dudewithout plot devices to help him.. neither does spiderman.. if wolverine gets prepped to fight these bozos like spidey does.. then sure he can take em...
Wolverine is not taking Sand Man, Electro or any of his other high end villians.
Originally posted by Black Dudeand how much wolverine do you read? 🤨
Skill wise Wolverine isn't that impressive looking at his fights he's a brawler taking hits and dishing them back out.
stalemated cap
got the upper hand on him TWICE.
had dd in a full nelson in 3 panals.
downed shang chi in 6.
downed kun lun (who PWNED iron fist) like he was playing games.
waisted a shiva robot in 7 seconds.. not skilled? how about MA that defies description? cause that's what he's been stated to have....
Originally posted by Black Dudewolverine's almost as fast, has better stamina is farrrrr more skilled and is pretty much guaranteed a one hit KO or kill with any decent punch.
Spiderman is faster and packs multiple tons of force with each punch. And he can throw fast REALLY fast.
Spiderman has fought Hulk in fact he was one of the first people who discovered that Hulk was Bruce Banner. Though thats besides the point neither of them could step to Hulk.
You think Wolverine is as fast as Spiderman when I see him dodge 50 different lazers at multiple angles we'll talk, when I see him dodge Bullseye we'll talk.
As for stamina doesn't matter Spiderman is so much faster he is just going to web him and throw him into the ocean.
Wolverine having a huge fan base has lots of people job to him. You guys are pulling at straws. The simple fact is Spiderman wins 7/10.
He's faster, stronger, smarter, more evasive Wolverine has been thrown around by Black Panther if he isn't fast enough to keep up with him he isn't touching Spidey.
He beat Cap big woop. Captain America is slower and weaker than Spiderman is. Skill doesn't matter much when you entirely out classed. Think about it Captain America fights alot better than someone like Superman, but is he ever going to beat him NO!
Originally posted by jinzin
you know what else is clearly shown in books? that spiderman has MAJOR MAJOR issues fighting extremely well trained individuals like.. oh i dunno.. WOLVERINE for instance.. who has given spiderman hell every time they go 1on1... again.. lazers can't trick his spider sense and use it against him.. consider the second scan null and void...wolverine has also speedblitzed that fast or fought faster than the human eye could track or even follow for that matter on nearly a dozen occasions... but wait.. wolverine's feats don't count when they make him look good.. only spiderman's ....
And the only time Wolverine moved faster than some armed guys reacted was when they shot him in the back and there was a lot of dust everywhere.
Spider-man often has problems with street level characters, even with Pun but it is for the sake of the story. You see, when Punisher hits Spider's web-shooters it is just fine but when he defeats Wolverine it automatically bad writing. And that's what Wolverine fans say all the time.
I never saw Wolverine dodging bullet that is a feet away from him, like here
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6506479
Honostly Jinzin, Spider-man and Wolverine are my favourite Marvel characters (well, and Venom) but when it is clear that Wolverine is not a match for Spider in speed I don't argue that.